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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Guess you watch a different NFL than the rest of the world.

That or you are giggling to yourself anytime someone posts a serious post to your nonsense.

Either way - c ya.


It has been like this for years,turns out I'm the one who has been getting it right...

Go figure.

And its not that hard, honestly.You just have to see other games and players and see how far we are.

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And he's only using half the field at most, so it's time to open up the playbook or he will be really easy to counter.


LOL, which half is he only using? The half between the sidelines?


The half, or so, in front of him.


A QB like Mayfield has to be in the top 60's 70% of completions, anything less won't do it.

He isn't nor ever was a vertical passer.I'm just stating the obvious.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg


Step away from the LSD.


Well, there goes my Monday.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
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And he's only using half the field at most, so it's time to open up the playbook or he will be really easy to counter.


LOL, which half is he only using? The half between the sidelines?


The half, or so, in front of him.


A QB like Mayfield has to be in the top 60's 70% of completions, anything less won't do it.

He isn't nor ever was a vertical passer.I'm just stating the obvious.


Step away from the LSD.


Actually some LSD may be exactly what he needs. It’ll open his mind.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Originally Posted By: rastanplan
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And he's only using half the field at most, so it's time to open up the playbook or he will be really easy to counter.


LOL, which half is he only using? The half between the sidelines?


The half, or so, in front of him.


A QB like Mayfield has to be in the top 60's 70% of completions, anything less won't do it.

He isn't nor ever was a vertical passer.I'm just stating the obvious.


Step away from the LSD.


He's not wrong but not for the reasons he would like. When Drew Brees is completing 80% you've got to be mid 60's in this day in age.

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Allen ZIPP and accuracy
Allen was 48% yesterday, you literally just make up garbage.

I don't know how they don't suspend you for lying and not providing links to your claims. You have been proven a troll and proven to post false information time and time again. Go away.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
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Allen ZIPP and accuracy
Allen was 48% yesterday, you literally just make up garbage.

I don't know how they don't suspend you for lying and not providing links to your claims. You have been proven a troll and proven to post false information time and time again. Go away.


Allen at QB is like John Daly with a driver off the tee.

All kinds of power, no clue where it's going.
There's a reason that Daly was never more than a flash in the pan.


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Much stronger arm than Dalton and Jimmy G.

Wilson and Brees are similar to Bake.

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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Guess you watch a different NFL than the rest of the world.

That or you are giggling to yourself anytime someone posts a serious post to your nonsense.

Either way - c ya.

No doubt. I have no idea how the current crop of rookie QBs will shake out over the next couple years or over the balance of their careers.. all have shown flashes, all have made mistakes... odds say a couple will be really good, a couple will be serviceable, and a couple will disappear into back-up roles or out of the league..

But to say that in this limited sample of a few games that anybody has seen so much positive out of the others and almost nothing but weaknesses out of Mayfield is indefensible.. so I'll stop defending Mayfield as well, he doesn't need it.


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Nobody was more pro Darnold.

It wasn't that I didn't like Mayfield I just thought Darnold was the better prospect.

But the Bakerman has really impressed me.

Impressed me in many ways. I see a bright future for him and I am glad he is a Brown.

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Hey bonefish............PM me and we can discuss Baker. I am not comfortable giving honest opinions on here after last week's attacks.

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Calling Allen accurate shows how much he knows


Rasta is one of those posters that just post ridiculous crap to get responses so he can answer and run up his post count

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Originally Posted By: Steubenvillian
Calling Allen accurate shows how much he knows


Rasta is one of those posters that just post ridiculous crap to get responses so he can answer and run up his post count


Mahomes was also called inaccurate...

If you can't see the difference on what type of accuracy matters the most....

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No he wasn't.


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Originally Posted By: BpG
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Originally Posted By: rastanplan
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Originally Posted By: CalDawg
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And he's only using half the field at most, so it's time to open up the playbook or he will be really easy to counter.


LOL, which half is he only using? The half between the sidelines?


The half, or so, in front of him.


A QB like Mayfield has to be in the top 60's 70% of completions, anything less won't do it.

He isn't nor ever was a vertical passer.I'm just stating the obvious.


Step away from the LSD.


He's not wrong but not for the reasons he would like. When Drew Brees is completing 80% you've got to be mid 60's in this day in age.


This gangbang mentality... pfffff

WCO or air raid or what you want to call Hue's offense, requires a high percentage completion.


It has nothing to do with reasons I like or reasons I don't like, it is just what it is.

Have I even said anything bad about Baker?

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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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Mahomes was also called inaccurate...

No he wasn't.


"Despite having a cannon for an arm, there aren’t many down the field sideline throws. Again, that could be attributed to the offensive system.

Inconsistent mechanics, however, cannot be attributed to the offense. There are times when Mahomes throws with good form and technique, and there are others where you simply wonder how he got the ball away accurately."

Accurate, good arm QB's are usually consensus 1st pick QB's.....

With Mahomes there was always a question on how he would translate to the NFL, his inconsistency and mechanics, and in the end his accuracy...

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"are others where you simply wonder how he got the ball away accurately."

i read that as he throws from so many platforms that people wonder how he got certain passes off accurately, not that he isn't accurate.

i mean we just saw the guy toss a completed pass with his left arm.

you know what i said when i saw that?

"are others where you simply wonder how he got the ball away accurately."


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Originally Posted By: Swish
"are others where you simply wonder how he got the ball away accurately."

i read that as he throws from so many platforms that people wonder how he got certain passes off accurately, not that he isn't accurate.

i mean we just saw the guy toss a completed pass with his left arm.

you know what i said when i saw that?

"are others where you simply wonder how he got the ball away accurately."


I messed up the quote... LOL... age does not forgive....
The point was on Mahomes inconsistency and "accuracy" problems in the NFL, inflated numbers because of the air raid O, etc

That's what I remember from Mahomes draft profile, if we knew that he was this accurate he would be picked number one for sure.

Still think the parallel with Josh Allen still holds, Allen has showed us he could improve and overcome the inconsistency/accuracy issues.

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I don't think accuracy was an issue many had with Mahomes pre-draft. From what I have gathered I think people were impressed with his accuracy despite his mechanics...

Mahomes was the first quarterback that I endorsed that wasn't a true "winner" in college. No Baker-type record.

This is from the NFL website...

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STRENGTHS Possesses NFL body type for work inside and out of the pocket. Has an undeniable swagger and confidence to his game. Accuracy has improved in each season since his freshman year. Naturally accurate in his every day throws. Comfortable challenging defenders in space. Has arm strength and fearlessness to attack the cover-2 voids down the sideline. Can make deep, field side throws. Cranks up velocity to fit passes into tight windows. Former pitcher who propels hips through his release with aggressive torque and never gets cheated on his follow-through. Can deliver strikes from a variety of arm angles. Expedites release on RPOs (run-pass option) or when pressure is mounting in pocket. Puts effort into play-action fakes. Relaxed and effective when throwing on the move. Can be a legitimate dual-threat in a boot-action offense. Improved his eye manipulation over the years and will eyeball linebackers to hold them while patterns unfold around them. Has pocket mobility to escape pressure and the poise to extend plays and find alternate targets. Hands are very strong. Can pump and reset without issues. Competes as a runner and is willing to go the extra mile for the first down.


WEAKNESSES Can be inconsistent in his approach. Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline. Too eager to go big game hunting. Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble. Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm. Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him. Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice. Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet. Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release. Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail. Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls. Carries ball a little low in the pocket. Impatient. Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm. Better as a scrambler than pure runner. Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season.

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Season 1, Episode 15: Breaking down Baker Mayfield's First NFL Start


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