DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Williams defense a full go..? no excuses interesting lil article

Were gonna have to agree to disagree on this one ...

I agree theres holes in the coverage ... no doubt ... its gonna happen ... i can’t argue with that ...

Asking any db to cover for 4 seconds or more is asking a lot and is going to end badly for the D more often than not ...

I’m SHOCKED at how good i believe our secondary is playing ...

Was not a fan of Gaines or Carrie as starters ... didn’t know squadoosh about Mitchell other than KC let him walk (i forgot Reid could care less about D ... hes from the “i can outscore” everyone school ... ) .. Randall was a huge question mark ... and i had NO CLUE Ward would be playing as good as any CB in the league ...

There playing well above my expectations and are playing pretty good IMO ..

Were just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one sir ...

Sorry - but I disagree. Secondary has been outstanding ALL year.

Randall - check
Mitchell - check
Ward - check check

Hold Pittsburgh to 21 points and 6 TOs. Hold Brees without TD for 3.5 quarters in NO and 3 TOs against Jets, a number of which directly attributed to secondary. Wrongo.

Again. Our rate of blitzing is not unheard of, Gregg Williams. Always blitzes this much.

I really got to say, Money Mitch has been an outstanding pickup by John. I didn't know nothing about him but I like him and Ward's play thus far. I like it a lot.

There is no doubt that Dorsey knew how much potential Mitchell had from his time in KC. Signing Mitchell was an under the radar pick up that is paying huge dividends.

I also believe that Highsmith and Wolf knew what they were getting in Randall. All in all our front office is doing their job as well as any in the business and it is a welcomed sight and long over due.


While I was not one to bash Sashi, seeing what Dorsey & co. are doing allows me to see the light.

Don't tell him the secret Diam. lol

We both know with more people blitzing, it only adds pressure to the secondary.

You have less guys in coverage who must take on man coverage adding to the toughness of their job.

There's a very strong argument that the Cleveland Browns have the best defense in the NFL right now.

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1045013322884685824

I've mentioned before that I call our defense "Aggressive Prevent", and I think that's by design. You mention that our CBs can only cover for 4 seconds, and I think that's exactly what Williams wants. He wants tight bump coverage for as long as the corners can provide it, while the front 7 has 3-4 seconds to get to the QB. We'll then sit a safety or two deep to prevent a QB from just throwing up a softball for a receiver to run under. The goal is for the defense to make huge "negative" plays within that first 4 second window.

For the most part it's worked well. We've had a lot more 3-and-outs this season because we're getting all kinds of pressure and blowing up things early. QBs are rushing decisions and throwing errant passes.

We DO tend to get burned on two things though. Middle receiving patterns and runs off the tackles. The runs are because the DE's are looking to rush up field to get to the QB and wind up leaving the run-lanes open there. The middle routes are open because we're playing tight short-coverage with only deep safety help. If the QB gets enough time, those routes open up.

But the nice part of this defense, is that it's still fairly good at preventing Touchdowns. When the field shrinks, and the other teams' offense is in the redzone, those medium passing routes go away. The QB still hears those footsteps coming after him. It's led to a lot of redzone turnovers and an overall defense that is difficult to score against.

Nice post excel. I like who you explained things. I think we are pretty much seeing things the same way but you said it a lot better.

Like I said, I don't think our secondary is bad. I just see things that better offenses will exploit to move the ball easily on us. It will be interesting to see who we play pittsburg the second time in much better weather. He still threw for 335 yards even in that horrible weather. That is not shutting him down very well if you ask me. They didn't have Brown or Bell either.

I do think out defense is great against OK offenses though. Most teams won't have an offensive line that can give them more than 4 seconds to throw against our pass rush. My biggest worries are the fast timing routes and quick slants. We seem to have no real answer to them.

What I really do love about our defense though is the insanely good tackling. They take great angles, hit hard, and your gonna stop once they get their hands on you. I just love it.

Yeah the future looks bright on defense.

Brown most certainly played in that game. Bell did not however.

Defense has mastered the turnover turnaround, and is looking to take next step with touchdowns

https://www.brownszone.com/2018/09/28/de...ith-touchdowns/

Jarvis Landry has sacrificed rest in order to be ready to return to the field at a moment’s notice.

He’s good with that.

“It’s exciting. I rarely sit down on the bench ’cause I’m expecting a turnover and quick change of possession,” the receiver said this week.

The Browns defense leads the league with 11 takeaways through three games. Following a season in which it totaled 13 through 16 losses, the turnover turnaround is the story of the young season — with the exception of Baker Mayfield and the long-awaited win against the Jets.

“Gregg says it every year, we have to have turnovers,” defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah said, referring to coordinator Gregg Williams. “We have to do whatever we can to get our hands on the ball. We have to disrupt the offense. That’s his big emphasis last year and this year we’re just putting it into effect.”

The change was evident immediately when the Browns got six takeaways in the opener against Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers, and it wasn’t a fluke. They got two more against the Saints and three against the Jets, including two late interceptions to seal the victory.

Cornerback Terrance Mitchell has two forced fumbles, a fumble recovery and an interception. Rookie cornerback Denzel Ward has two interceptions, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery. Linebacker Joe Schobert has two fumble recoveries and an interception. Free safety Damarious Randall has an interception and a fumble recovery. Defensive end Myles Garrett has two forced fumbles.

“I love watching Myles do what he do, I love that D-line doing what they do, Ward playing at a high level, Randall back there. I love it,” Landry said. “I get an opportunity to see it firsthand with the best seats in the house, and then it’s always good to have a couple extra possessions.”

The next step is turning the turnovers into points. The Browns have scored only 13 points off the 11 takeaways, a lack of capitalization worthy of E.E. Cummings.

Instead of pointing fingers at the offense, linebacker Christian Kirksey said it’s up to the defense to finish the job.

“We have to turn those turnovers into scores. Ourselves,” said Kirksey, who will return Sunday against the Raiders after missing two games with an ankle injury.

All three levels of the defense have had a hand in the takeaway party. The pass rush leads to strip-sacks and hurried passes, and the secondary complements the pressure with tight coverage and interceptions.

Ward picked Roethlisberger twice in his first NFL game and is the second player in NFL history with multiple interceptions and pass breakups (three), a forced fumble and a fumble recovery through the first three games. Dolphins linebacker Kiko Alonso was the other in 2013.

“It is a credit to Ward,” Raiders coach Jon Gruden said. “He lines up his first time against Ben Roethlisberger and made some big plays.

“When you go up against Gregg Williams in the second year of his system, things get tougher for the offense. They are using a lot of different coverages, a lot of different looks. Ward can play man coverage. He can play zone coverage. He has proven he can tackle, and he has ball skills. They have a really good, promising young player for sure.”

The Browns are tied for third in the NFL with five interceptions. They lead with six fumble recoveries. Ward and Mitchell have both, ripping the ball from ball carriers.

“It is tremendously vital,” Williams said. “You have to be able to take the ball away. That happens with ability first. Some guys do not have much of that instinctive ability. Then, when the opportunity presents itself, you have to be able to go ahead and get it done.”

Williams cited seven more opportunities that his guys didn’t come up with the ball, including two dropped interceptions by Schobert, and said they need even more strip-sacks.

“We have to continue to emphasize it,” Williams said. “We do it every single day. Our guys believe in that. The talent level in some of those very key spots are vital to being able to do that.”

Raiders quarterback Derek Carr should provide the Browns with chances to add to the turnover pile. He has five interceptions in their 0-3 start.

“He has thrown up some interceptions but he’s not just going to give them to us, we have to go out and take them,” defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi said.

The takeaways have covered some flaws, as the defense ranks 11th in scoring (19.7 points per game), 20th in total defense (338.3), 16th against the run (109.3) and 12th against the pass (229.0). Kirksey believes the best is yet to come.

“I am excited for where the defense is headed,” he said. “Just keep getting turnovers and make sure that we do not allow teams to get on us on the run. Sharpen up some areas in there, and I think that we will be a top defense in the league.”

My bad. I thought he left early or something with an injury to his hamstring or ankle.

Gregg forces an offense/QB to play faster/get rid of the ball faster or get hit.
It speeds up the QB and forces the offense to make changes...shorter routes etc.

The blitz isn't just about sacks it's about putting pressure on the QB and the offensive coirdinstor.

Darn it I think the other team read our Forum because they sure exploited our defense in just the exact way I was worried about.

Lets use it to our advantage ...

The rats will be reading what u say and U can dupe them ... *L* ..

Just havin some fun bro ...

Williams blitz and blitz relentlessly.if it doesnt work..do it again.
wake me up when he can disguise coverage once in awhile.
QBs will continue to exploit the middle of the field vs his all or nothing philosophy.

Williams was once again playing guys 20 and 30 yards off the line of scrimmage leaving everybody wide open. Stupid play calling once again. Yo Williams let me tell you to go screw yourself face to face.

lol they dont need to lol

Any clue how that correlates to sacks? ...

What site do u get this stuff from?

Pretty sure everyone knows how i feel about how stats are used around this place ...

These are some stats that aren’t for losers ... *L* ..

Especially when u combine with other stats (the proper usage of stats IMO ... especially in football) ...

You’ve been posting some great stuff in my opinion for the last couple weeks as far as these stats go ...

Thanks for that ...

If u would share the site that would be great ... if not, post more of them please ... LOTS MORE ...

Thanks again dawg ....

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We have 12 sacks, which is 7th best in the league. Many teams are bunched up around that number. The Bears have the most sacks, but the least amount of blitzes.

Ty sir ....

Any clue how it correlates to pressures? .... qb hits? ...

I don't know numbers, but I've seen us getting TONS of Pressures.
We aren't getting mind-blowing sack numbers, but I'd bet that we've been seeing an extraordinary number of pressures/hurries.

The only site that I know that would reliably have that is Pro Football Focus and I am not paying their prices.

We are tied for 3rd in sacks, and 2nd in passes defensed, 2nd in INT, 2nd in forced fumbles, and 1st in fumbles recovered. I cannot find stats on pressures, but I know that we have had Garett, Ogunjobi, and Smith all putting serious pressure on opposing QBs.

DEFENSIVE LINE RANKING, WEEK 3: 16TH

Cleveland’s defensive line has only accrued 30 total pressures and a pass-rush productivity of 8.9, ranking 28th and 26th, respectively. Edge defenders Genard Avery and Myles Garrett, however, have earned 75.0 and 74.6 pass-rush grades, respectively, through Week 3. Also, defensive interior Larry Ogunjobi is off to a career-year pace with 11 total pressures and a 71.1 pass-rush grade in three games. The trio has a bright future ahead in terms of pass-rush ability, while their current play in run defense is unparalleled. The Browns’ defensive line, led by Garrett, Avery and Ogunjobi, leads all units in average depth of tackle (0.39) in run defense.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-week-3-nfl-defensive-line-rankings

and yet we're still 1-2-1 ... ugh

My problem with blitzing lately isn't the frequency but how glaringly telegraphed the pressure is.

The team needs to improve on that front. Spend some time working on how to disguise when pressure is coming and how to fake pressure when the defenders are actually dropping.

Too often I've seen quarterbacks adjust on pre-snap reads to exploit weakness.

I'm all for a high-level of blitzing, and the pitfalls that come with it, but I'm getting a little sick of knowing where I'd go with the football prior to the snap; so imagine what an NFL quarterback can pick up on.

None of this will happen. Gregg Williams hasn't changed in twenty years.

Pay closer attention.

Yes, we show that we're coming - and we intend to - but where we disguise is WHERE the pressure is coming from. We let them know we're coming, and we try to get them to see it coming from one place to try to get them to change their protections, then we bring it it from another direction.