DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Amazon boosts pay to $15/hr while cutting bonus and stock options worth thousands of dollars

The vaunted $15.00 minimum wage! Gone are the stock awards valued at $1900 per share. Gone are the production and attendance bonuses with more $$$$...most Amazon employees we knocking on the $15/hr mark already. So they really got Nancy's crumbs as they lose thousands.

Now watch amazon cry as production slows down...attendance goes to crap...no need to work harder/smarter to earn less.

PS... read the comments in yahoo...seems like some peole actually get it which is encouraging

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-employees-say-will-make-less-raise-174028353.html

I think it's great that they chose to do this. I bet they attract even better people now.

Once again we have a conservative trying to tell capitalists how to run their businesses. Only in Trumplandia would this have ever happened. lmao

Bezos is no dummy. He sees this as an opportunity.

As a guy who has been investing heavily in automation, he is going to increase this low skilled worker wage, virtue signal how other companies need to follow suit. Then he will push automation, lay off these people and CRUSH his competition because they are now having to live up to paying package handlers $15 an hour.


At least in my cynical mind this is how I see it going down.

I don't doubt that you have a point there. The only problem with your point that I see is that every business that has the option of automation is doing so and eliminating jobs everywhere they can. From manufacturing to McDonalds.

They simply swapped bonuses and stock options to raise the wage. The money comes from somewhere, and the removal of those perks are likely going to tick off employees who have been there a long time. It will also tick off the ones that worked their butt off to get to $15/hour.

Right but Amazon has been investing in automating for a decade. The other companies will not be able to compete. I am anti-monopoly and amazon is dangerously close.

The auto industry has been doing this for decades as well. We have lost five million factory jobs since 2000.

http://fortune.com/2016/11/08/china-automation-jobs/

So while we agree in principal, this has been an ongoing issue since the 90's, gotten worse since 2000 and will only get worse moving forward.

Robots making everything and no customers to buy it because no one is working.

Trucks are creeping into the low six figures now, it's crazy

J/C

I love Amazon. Greatest idea for a business in the history of US. Really is.

I find it funny though a company that leans left, very left...is doing this.

Trying to find Amazon's left leaning track record. Caring about global warming isn't a leftists position.

It certainly is in America. Every aspect of life is apparently labeled into left or right. I dunno why the hell its like that, but it is what it is.

Just pull up any op-ed on the post.

Framed as a leftists position because Cons don't and can't care about long term futures. Dealing with global warming is now a pramatic issue for most people.

If judging op-eds, does that make the NYT a right winged news paper? They'll be the first to tell you that their op-eds run to the right, actually most op-eds do

its a long list.

just look at how people view the SC seats. somehow, despite constantly saying that judges should rule based on the constitution, we have people arguing whether a judge should be a liberal or conservative leaning judge....despite the fact that if a judge is suppose to rule based on the constitution, the political leaning shouldn't matter, and it should always be a moderate judge.

but police brutality? left or right.

women's rights? left or right.

protest? left or right.

climate change? left or right.

sexual assault? left or right.

equal pay? left or right.

nascar? definitely right.

I am all for a better environment. as are a lot of people of the right and I would venture to say that most are. The issue they have placing taxes on business' to destroy them in stead of working with said business to make them cleaner. Or using said treaty's and taxes against ourselves, when we don't hold them against others.

Not being a idiot and throwing your mcdonalds bag out the car window is simple. Forcing an electric car on people (which takes more carbon to create than an SUV will put out anyway) is just dumb.

Getting rid of plastic straws - when you use plastic to encase the paper straws you are selling, dumb - and purely political.

I would say that the way we try to fight climate change is horrible. Businesses are still the main contributor to global pollution. We give way too many subsidies to businesses that can afford to go green. Look at Amazon, they're famous for zeroing out their subsidies. That's all this is. They are vertically integrated enough, that they will be able to use subsidies in their other ventures, to further automation, while giving their employees $15 an hour. Of course Amazon hopes none of these jobs are available in 20-30 years, as they'll be fully automated. Meanwhile all their competitors just got priced out of employees and worse yet, they can't even afford to get the subsidies that Amazon gets. Subsidies are state sponsored capitalism at it's finest. Just wait until later this year when we see the deal that Amazon worked out for itself with HQ2.

And yeah, I was messing around with the whole cons thing. There is a pretty big divide in Conservatives on global warming. Those under 40, or those who have children, understand and see it. Those who aren't in that group, do not see it and speak out against it. It's very interesting.

Wrong again. Everyone knows NASCAR is nothing but LEFT hand turns all day.

I think (its JMO - I have not data to back it up) but those over 40 just feel that its not man that is the driving factor, but the earth and its cyclical nature of climate in general. Personally, I absolutely believe the climate changing - I just think the reason being man is a smaller effect than the left is making it out to be. I remember the Ozone layer being the biggest threat, and turns out the Ozone is cyclical, it gets bigger and smaller over time.

No I am disputing we don't have a factor in to some extent, just not the huge factor being made out to believe. Cow farts changing the climate so we have to eat vegan - seems a little agenda based with some of it.

They may be turning left but they are predominately right.

If they can't make rate they will most likely get rid of you, simple as that.

Also there are no raises for 3 years for the people who got bumped up to $15.00 an hour.

P.S. Yes, the Yahoo comments are telling.

Wondering how Amazon's production would go down considering how little they produce lmao teedub is on one

There is a difference between make rate and making rate plus extra...that I am sure Amazon banks on. I know when I was a selector/pick in my college job you had an 8 hr selecting rate of 860 pieces of stock....I started off my work as a gang buster and would easily hit 1200 pieces in a 8 hour shift while watching other people pick their 860 for the same money....I quickly learned to slow way down with no bonus system (outside of the OT needed to make up the 350 pieces that i did pick in my 8 hours....so with out incentive there is less output in a given time....and I still met the minimum and worked that place for 4 years.

I hear ya.

I currently work at the Amazon in North Randall. I started almost 4 weeks ago and cannot even come close to making rate (I 'stow' normally there, but sometimes other jobs). They already have it figured out there, most people have to work as fast as possible to make rate, if they can. Right now? Slowing down is not an option, even for the fastest people who stow.

Curious??? Did the pick rate prior to the wage increase stay the same or did it go up??

It's the same.

I agree with you about Amazon. I hope they don't legislate that change and allow it to be voluntary. Otherwise big corporations will run out even more mom and pop businesses and make it stifling for new businesses to form due to the high cost and risk.

I disagree with you about conservatives liking or not liking the environment bases on age. I think it's an important issue to all concerned except those who are leading corporations. Must conservatives like to hunt, fish, and camp. We care a LOT about having a clean and healthy environment.

Sadly the majority is not represented in congress but the lobbyist with the biggest bank accounts. If you want to fix thing the ban donations from lobbyists and businesses. Then set a limit to how much private citizens can donate. Nothing will matter till that basic task is completed.

J\C...

All Amazon did was figure out a way to screw the little guy and make bundles more money for themselves and the left calls them HEROS lmao

There have been many points made about the environment, which I'm ignoring so this thread can stay about Amazon, but many of you guys are right, but specifically I will say Republicans have done far more for natural parks than Democrats have. Even with Republicans trying to sell off public commodities like the oil and gas under our parks, Democrats still do extremely little for our park system.

With everything I buy from Amazon, I fell like I'm funding all of this.

This is a money shift. Instead of getting it in the future thru stocks and bonuses, they will get it now. It's all about looking like you care, when actually you don't.

I doubrt it.


Amazon isn't a good company.

I have a son who had a promise at maagemt. He beat all of his goals, but never got anytning after 2 years.

He took a job with Belk Departmet stoe starting at 60K .


Raising minimums to $15 per hour but elimninating the other leaves employees with less, but they are counting on their workforce to be stupid.


The fact they promised my son but delivered another is one thing. The fact they consider the people on the floot scum is another.

Just saying

Any smart company treats their employees like trash. No one goes to Wal Mart for the greeter lol

Well, it's capitalism. The only reason those on the right are complaining is because of who owns Amazon. You know, Trump doesn't like him, so.....

These are the same people that are against an increase in minimum wage and now all of a sudden they care about unskilled workers? If you believe that BS I've got some swamp land in Florida for sale.

Ask all the Tesla workers who bought stocks how they're feeling right now.

j/c:

Amazonian update: I have been working for Amazon coming up on two months now. It's hard work. I usually unloaded trucks there (or stack/wrap product that is being unloaded) 10 hours a day, as fast as I can.

I am six foot one. When I started working there I weighed 165 pounds and was in good shape. I weighed myself yesterday, 152 pounds. I actually weighed more (156 pounds) when I was all messed up from smoking meth many moons ago. This is surprising to me. I rarely even go to the gym anymore, which I used to do religiously at Fitworks. I'm too sore/my joints ache too much and it's like I already am working out 10 hours a day at work. My body needs to rest.

I try to eat more on my days off to keep my weight up, but with my IBS, I don't like to do that too much. More food is just too much for my perpetually imbalanced intestines to process. But it is nice to be able to eat anything and not worry about getting fat. So I can eat two or three Hershey's special dark chocolate bars which are 960 calories each, have one per day, no problem. Extra pizza, extra pasta? No problem. I'll burn it off at work, and then some. You can't burn it off sitting at home on the couch watching reruns of Dexter, that's for sure!

All-in-all this type of work is a bit too rough on my body, but at the same time I'm happy to be getting a paycheck again.

P.S. In a few years? This will be Amazon:

Warehouse the size of five football pitches in China is the first in the world to be run exclusively by ROBOTS and offers a glimpse into the future of manufacturing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/...run-ROBOTS.html

Also see:

https://mujin.co.jp/en/video.html