so first, its only allowed for certain conditions as you stated , but overall medical weed is still not legal. also, this is very recent in GA.
and recreational is still illegal.
so again, by the south, you mean a whooping 4 1/2 states, then sure.
Keep lying, with your incorrect map, its all good.
They are even considering allowing dispensaries here.
considering does not equal legal.
this is about to turn into that time i had to school you on the demographics of your own state.
also, while georgia is in the south, it is not the entire south, as you implied.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Not to paint with a broad brushstroke, but there are certain tendencies, you can actually map these. If you don’t believe humans significantly affect the climate, there is a good chance you are one of these people.
1 You vote republican 2 You live in the south 3 You are older than 40
That being said, I assume these people have a fundamental understanding of earth systems. They say this is a natural process. If so, I assume they know the sun goes through 11 year cycles of hot, and less hot. If these are the driving forces of earth temperature, why does it consistently go up for the past 3 decades?
When does the period of cooling come? I’ve been been consistently asking this question since 2007. Maybe next decade
you're wrong, you will remain wrong, and you will always be wrong, that is of course until those states finally pass AND implement their weed laws.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Not to paint with a broad brushstroke, but there are certain tendencies, you can actually map these. If you don’t believe humans significantly affect the climate, there is a good chance you are one of these people.
1 You vote republican 2 You live in the south 3 You are older than 40
That being said, I assume these people have a fundamental understanding of earth systems. They say this is a natural process. If so, I assume they know the sun goes through 11 year cycles of hot, and less hot. If these are the driving forces of earth temperature, why does it consistently go up for the past 3 decades?
When does the period of cooling come? I’ve been been consistently asking this question since 2007. Maybe next decade
Yes. Clearly old Southern Republicans MUST be the problem. Because clearly they dictate policy for the rest of the country. [/purple]
i mean damn eve, i'm trying to help you other here, but when i just looked, only certain counties in Georgia even have it decriminalized. the entire state isn't even at that part yet.
sad.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
you're wrong, you will remain wrong, and you will always be wrong, that is of course until those states finally pass AND implement their weed laws.
Ok, first of all, Ohio doesnt have recreational M. Secondly, Ohio only allows MM for certain conditions, So hypocrite much? People in glass houses should not throw stones.
Third if you want to fail to acknowledge that MM is legal for many conditions in the South and we are adding more all the time, and being increasingly progressive, thats YOUR PROBLEM.
Not mine. I dont live in denial. But seems you do. Have fun with being WRONG.
in ohio, not only do we have medicinal, but the state is decriminalized.
so you took an L there.
also, most of the south, its illegal for both legal and medical.
the facts say you're wrong. too bad, so sad.
and i lol'd when you brought up gay marriage, as if those states in the south had a choice lmfao. cause if they did, we all know it still be illegal in most of them.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
oh, i agree we got idiots running the show, no doubt about that.
but atleast i dont have to worry about catching a record just cause i want to do gravity bongs.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Curious....if we did a n honest and truthful poll of all the opioid addicts in the current crisis...I wonder how many of them were previously or currently MJ users???
I can attest that every opioid addict or OD victim I know personally was or is a pot smoker.
You were the one that came out and disparaged anyone from having an opinion or thought on a subject unless they had a certificate of approval from a division of higher education that pushes the agenda and the answers you seek.
But hey...you do you.
I never said anyone needed a certificate from higher education. Can you elaborate?
Evolution, AGW, and vaccines linked to autism are only controversial to laymen outside of the scientific community. It is useful for some politicians to join in this controversy if they have lobby groups or constituents that benefit from adding their own biases to the equation. The truth is it's simple to debunk science. Very, very simple. Just come up with an experiment debunking it. Debunk Einstein's theory of relatively. Debunk Evolution. All it takes is an experiment that challenges the consensus.
If anyone tells you a scientific theory is false, you should ask, nay demand, their experimental papers on it. If they can't provide them, then they are fooling you. Don't fall for it.
When we are scientifically discussing gravity, we can talk about the law of gravity that describes the attraction between two objects, and we can also talk about the theory of gravity that describes why the objects attract each other.
What are you suggesting here? That there must be a law proving AGW?
You lost me when you brought up the anti-vaxxer issue as possibly being legit (implied because of the way you presented it as controversial to the layman) because a handful of scientists have proposed it yet when a handful of scientists speak against AWG then their view is not serious because it is not a popular view...
You have said in multiple posts in this thread that only people with a formal education in a field (ie need a certificate) to have a seat at the table
Has the earth warmed and cooled since its existence?
So, I haven't seen a response to this from the so called 'uber intelligent'.
nelson posted in this thread?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
If we are talking climate, I believe interglacial periods are 12-14,000 years apart. Tree rings, ice cores, mud cores. We have an avalanche of data in front us.
The earth has been going through cycles of hot and cold since it was born. It's why we have ice ages and swamp ages. The earth will survive just fine.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to fix the things that are harming the planet. From what I have seen China is the one working the hardest to improve the world's climate by planting billions upon billions of trees yearly. Imagine if we took 1 million of the homeless population and gave them food, and shelter and paid them minimum wage to just plant trees full time. That is about 14 billion dollars a year to eliminate huge sections of desert and reverse desertification.
It's completely possible to turn desert into land with green grass, trees, and even rivers. The only thing stopping us is laziness. We already spend 455 billion on welfare. For just a bit more we can absolutely change the planet of the better.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Has the earth warmed and cooled since its existence?
So, I haven't seen a response to this from the so called 'uber intelligent'.
Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
For the cyclical people, if nature is cyclical and we go through warming and cooling periods, then shouldn't the rate of temp change be somewhat similar to other cycles?
Probably because you got pre-empted. But I get it, I've never once seen a con answer my question.
I do not believe man caused global climate change.
Now before you vilify me for my opinion, let we explain the semantics of my statement.
"Man caused" insinuates man is the only or primary cause. This I cannot stand behind, being that the same scientists that study global climate change have also studied the warming and cooling cycles of the earth, and proves those cycles true.
I do however, believe man "contributes" to the rate at which the climate changes.
Anything we can do to make for a cleaner environment should be considered.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Until the past year or two, I was in the man made climate change camp on global warming. But after seeing so many studies point to cyclic global temperature change and patterns over thousands/millions of years, I think that just maybe both sides are right to an extent.
Obviously overpopulation and the gluttonous use of natural resources have led to pollution, deforestation, and resource depletion. Nobody denies that the oceans are overfished, the rainforests are being destroyed, species extinction has accelerated, ice caps are melting, sea level is rising, our air and water is contaminated, or a plethora of other bad things seem to be happening.
It doesn't take a scientist to notice the more extreme weather patterns we are experiencing. However our science is our best tool to try to understand exactly what is going on and if we can do anything about it.
Some science points to potential polar shifts, changes in the wobble of the earth, natural cyclic global weather/temperature changes, and man made contributors to these changes. We may never fully understand all of the variables but denying the changes are real, putting our faith in some higher power to fix the problems, or thinking we as a species are not in trouble... well that's lunacy.
The changes are real. Humanity must strive to understand and adapt to survive these changes. We can only hope that this realization and our future actions to deal with the issues don't come too late.
As far as the planet goes, earth will survive with little to no issues. Life on earth will not have it so easy. On our current trajectory, our species is doomed. Period.
The earth has been going through cycles of hot and cold since it was born. It's why we have ice ages and swamp ages. The earth will survive just fine.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to fix the things that are harming the planet. From what I have seen China is the one working the hardest to improve the world's climate by planting billions upon billions of trees yearly. Imagine if we took 1 million of the homeless population and gave them food, and shelter and paid them minimum wage to just plant trees full time. That is about 14 billion dollars a year to eliminate huge sections of desert and reverse desertification.
It's completely possible to turn desert into land with green grass, trees, and even rivers. The only thing stopping us is laziness. We already spend 455 billion on welfare. For just a bit more we can absolutely change the planet of the better.
I dont disagree to do somethings.....but your statement of do "everything" is unattainable, unrealistic and economic suicide. I work in an environmental industry (I have the certificate gage....multiple in fact)....the clients I serve spend millions cleaning up their water and waste....that water we discharge to local rivers are 1000s of times cleaner the the actual local water ways...yet the local waterways have issues...so we are being required to polish our already super clean water even more at a steep cost....you see removing 98% of the pollution is easy and can be do e cost effectively...the next 2 percent is crazy hard and expensive...yet that is the goal we are being forced into.....all the while other non point source discharges are blowing billions of tons of the same pollutants out and never even looked at to reduce their contributions.
I could theorize that doing everything in our power should include a limit on the number of internal combustion vehicles you own that gets a minimum 30 mpg to 1 per family of 4 and a limit to the number of gallons of gas you are able to buy per month. then one additional engine but just one for riding mower, push mower,weedeater,snowblower,leaf blower etc..thermostat control no warmer the 65 while heating..no cooler the 78 when cooling... cremation For everyone as cemeteries would better serve our mother earth if planted with trees and not needing crews constantly running mowers over the pretty grass ...all of these things will reduce your CO2 foot print and fall in the category of " doing everything we can...I can come up with more to illustrate if needed.....that's the fallacy of the emotional statement EVERYTHING.
Let's boil this down to what some seem to be saying.
"We can trash the earth, allow farmers to pour chemicals into the ground, pollute the air and trash our oceans and there are no consequences. God will save us from ourselves and never punish us for trashing the world he gave us to protect."
Mmmmmm, hmmmmmm.....
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Let's boil this down to what some seem to be saying.
"We can trash the earth, allow farmers to pour chemicals into the ground, pollute the air and trash our oceans and there are no consequences. God will save us from ourselves and never punish us for trashing the world he gave us to protect."
Mmmmmm, hmmmmmm.....
Well it’s all in God’s plan. I think they see it as carrying out said plan.
Let's boil this down to what some seem to be saying.
"We can trash the earth, allow farmers to pour chemicals into the ground, pollute the air and trash our oceans and there are no consequences. God will save us from ourselves and never punish us for trashing the world he gave us to protect."
Mmmmmm, hmmmmmm.....
Can't attack farmers....they are a class way above minority and disenfrahnchised status.
Imagine the positive impact the earth would see if each country had to produce their own food....the Co2 foot print from the us would drastically go down as we are no longer belching pollution to feed the rest of the world...and then there is the pending population crash associated with starvation from countries not able to feed themselves...thus curbing global appetite for limited resources....that is a win win win situation!
Until the past year or two, I was in the man made climate change camp on global warming. But after seeing so many studies point to cyclic global temperature change and patterns over thousands/millions of years, I think that just maybe both sides are right to an extent.
Obviously overpopulation and the gluttonous use of natural resources have led to pollution, deforestation, and resource depletion. Nobody denies that the oceans are overfished, the rainforests are being destroyed, species extinction has accelerated, ice caps are melting, sea level is rising, our air and water is contaminated, or a plethora of other bad things seem to be happening.
It doesn't take a scientist to notice the more extreme weather patterns we are experiencing. However our science is our best tool to try to understand exactly what is going on and if we can do anything about it.
Some science points to potential polar shifts, changes in the wobble of the earth, natural cyclic global weather/temperature changes, and man made contributors to these changes. We may never fully understand all of the variables but denying the changes are real, putting our faith in some higher power to fix the problems, or thinking we as a species are not in trouble... well that's lunacy.
The changes are real. Humanity must strive to understand and adapt to survive these changes. We can only hope that this realization and our future actions to deal with the issues don't come too late.
As far as the planet goes, earth will survive with little to no issues. Life on earth will not have it so easy. On our current trajectory, our species is doomed. Period.
That is possibly the best post you have ever written. I don't think life is doomed outside of nuclear war though. Many countries are already taking big steps to improving things and the largest one China is doing the most to get rid of earth's biggest desert. I love what china is doing for the environment.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Imagine if we took 1 million of the homeless population and gave them food, and shelter and paid them minimum wage to just plant trees full time.
"That sounds like slavery with extra steps"......Morty Smith
So giving people food, shelter, and a way to earn income translates as slavery to you? It's not like I am talking about forcing them. I am just saying that hey instead of being homeless would you like a job that feeds you, houses you, and lets you earn money by saving the planet.
That is not slavery. It's called on opportunity to get your life back and doing something good and decent.
Now if we did that with people in prison then that would be slavery. I would support it though for the nonviolent criminal on a voluntary basis.
The real question is would the homeless people take up the chance to work or would they rather stay homeless. Many o four homeless suffer from depression and find it hard to motivate themselves beyond just survival. They really need encouragement and help IMHO.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
The earth has been going through cycles of hot and cold since it was born. It's why we have ice ages and swamp ages. The earth will survive just fine.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to fix the things that are harming the planet. From what I have seen China is the one working the hardest to improve the world's climate by planting billions upon billions of trees yearly. Imagine if we took 1 million of the homeless population and gave them food, and shelter and paid them minimum wage to just plant trees full time. That is about 14 billion dollars a year to eliminate huge sections of desert and reverse desertification.
It's completely possible to turn desert into land with green grass, trees, and even rivers. The only thing stopping us is laziness. We already spend 455 billion on welfare. For just a bit more we can absolutely change the planet of the better.
I dont disagree to do somethings.....but your statement of do "everything" is unattainable, unrealistic and economic suicide. I work in an environmental industry (I have the certificate gage....multiple in fact)....the clients I serve spend millions cleaning up their water and waste....that water we discharge to local rivers are 1000s of times cleaner the the actual local water ways...yet the local waterways have issues...so we are being required to polish our already super clean water even more at a steep cost....you see removing 98% of the pollution is easy and can be do e cost effectively...the next 2 percent is crazy hard and expensive...yet that is the goal we are being forced into.....all the while other non point source discharges are blowing billions of tons of the same pollutants out and never even looked at to reduce their contributions.
I could theorize that doing everything in our power should include a limit on the number of internal combustion vehicles you own that gets a minimum 30 mpg to 1 per family of 4 and a limit to the number of gallons of gas you are able to buy per month. then one additional engine but just one for riding mower, push mower,weedeater,snowblower,leaf blower etc..thermostat control no warmer the 65 while heating..no cooler the 78 when cooling... cremation For everyone as cemeteries would better serve our mother earth if planted with trees and not needing crews constantly running mowers over the pretty grass ...all of these things will reduce your CO2 foot print and fall in the category of " doing everything we can...I can come up with more to illustrate if needed.....that's the fallacy of the emotional statement EVERYTHING.
Look I don't pretend to be an environmental expert. I do know that some things are easier to clean up and deal with than others. I also know that some toxic substances cause severe and long term damage. I don't expect pure clean water to come out but I do expect us to stop companies from putting toxic chemicals into our water supply. If you can't run your business without poisoning the water then your business should be shut down because clean fresh water is the most important need of all human beings. We CAN'T live without clean water.
I will grant that there is probably too much regulation but if that 2% contains truly toxic material then of course it has to be fixed. I mean I'm sorry just because your company wants to make money doesn't give them the right to poison the water. IF that 2% is fairly harmless then I agree with you that it should be loosed up a bit.
I don't agree with any argument though that says since "A" doesn't do it then "B" shouldn't have to do it either. Instead we should make "A" do it too so that everyone is doing what they need to do not move towards having it so no one does what they need to do.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Has the earth warmed and cooled since its existence?
So, I haven't seen a response to this from the so called 'uber intelligent'.
Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
For the cyclical people, if nature is cyclical and we go through warming and cooling periods, then shouldn't the rate of temp change be somewhat similar to other cycles?
Probably because you got pre-empted. But I get it, I've never once seen a con answer my question.
I thought I did but I guess it didn't satisfy you. There is definite proof aplenty that the earth heats and cools in 20,000 year and 100,000 year cycles. The end of the last ice age is proof of that alone. Do you think humans caused the end of the last ice age?
Here is a good article to read by the University of Utah:
Geology easily proves the earth has been heating up and cooling down since the earth got tectonic plates. Volcanoes just on the pacific rim can pump out so much gas that they can warm the earth overnight if they go off often enough which tends to happen as ice builds up on a place like Antartica or Greenland because those ice sheets put direct weight on landmasses. Ice sheets at the North Pole that are floating on water don't effect things much because their mass is distributed over large areas of water that dissipates the pressure quite a bit.
That doesn't mean that mankind doesn't have an effect. It certainly does. Still the most effect way to stop global warming is to work on reversing desert areas back into at least grasslands and preferably forests.
Here are some videos of it being done to great effect.
God charged us with taking care of this planet. I say we start getting to it and get it done. Enough with the excuses.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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