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"What Would Doug Pederson Do?" I prefer WWSMD Good point. WWDPAND/ORSMD or WWBBD? <alert>south park reference</alert>
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If we can't get a first down on 4th and inches w/ qb sneak (regardless of field position), we gotz problems. We ended up with 4th and 1 because of a questionable spot and an even more questionable interpretation/reversal of the initial spot. Maybe the possibility of having to go through all that on the next play was not appealing. Not to mention our rookie QB is obviously not comfortable under center, and we already had one fumble in that alignment. Not to mention Haley might have called another end around.
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I don't get how one fumble means someone is "obviously not comfortable" under center.
Hue is the head coach. All he has to say is we're going for it and call a QB sneak. If Haley would do something different, well, we gotz problems.
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Anyone who has ever played or coached football knows that going for it on 4th down inside your own 20 late in the 4th quarter w/an 8 point lead w/a qb who hasn't taken many snaps under center would be about as dumb as one can get. But, you keep on w/your campaign.
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Wondering if any of the geniuses who are questioning Hue not going for it have considered that Baker is our qb and he has already fumbled one snap and has very little experience under center?
And let's cut the crap. People are slamming Hue for going for two, but are saying he should have been more aggressive and gone for it inside his own 20 w/an 8 point lead.
LOL............y'all are a joke. I wasn't slamming anybody, buddy. I am simply saying I would have tried to win the game a different way. I would have gone for it, without hesitation. Football is different than baseball. The book in baseball is pretty solid. Football still has emotion. "Go gain a yard guys to win the game". I would have gone for it every time.
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Anyone who has ever played or coached football knows that going for it on 4th down inside your own 20 late in the 4th quarter w/an 8 point lead w/a qb who hasn't taken many snaps under center would be about as dumb as one can get. But, you keep on w/your campaign.
I disagree. That is the winning play. We did lose, correct? So if either play is the loser play, might as well try to grab the bull by the horns. I understand I can look back after the fact, but I promise I wouldn't have gotten on Hue if he had and we didn't. I would have actually elevated him in my view. IMO you sometimes have to trust your guys and go win the darn game.
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There's a piece of data missing here.
Coaches that go for it in their own territory and fail,aren't coaches for very long.
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There's a piece of data missing here.
Coaches that go for it in their own territory and fail,aren't coaches for very long. 
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LOL ....true.
My son was over w/some of his friends yesterday afternoon. None of them are Brown's fans. I sometimes relay what is said on this board when all of us are sitting around, drinking beer, and talking football.
I brought up the topic of this thread and they thought I was making it up. One of the guys said: "You weren't trailing by 8 late in the game. You were up by 8. No way do you go for it at your own 18."
Of course, then I had to hear the comments about Brown's fans and how _____________ they are.
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I would have went for it. But I can see why they didn't. however there is no excuse for not trying to run to the line and try to get them offside. Absolutely no excuse.
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Anyone who has ever played or coached football knows that going for it on 4th down inside your own 20 late in the 4th quarter w/an 8 point lead w/a qb who hasn't taken many snaps under center would be about as dumb as one can get. But, you keep on w/your campaign.
ehhh...not that far fetched. In fact I remember reading this story - Coach never punts, always onside kicks it. https://www.citizen-times.com/story/spor...kicks/17213961/
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I would have went for it. But I can see why they didn't. however there is no excuse for not trying to run to the line and try to get them offside. Absolutely no excuse. That would have been a good idea. Definitely.
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I would have went for it. But I can see why they didn't. however there is no excuse for not trying to run to the line and try to get them offside. Absolutely no excuse. That would have been a good idea. Definitely. That's what bothers me the most. They had five minutes as a staff to say "What if it is overturned? Race up to the line and catch them off guard... start barking, motion, more barking, see what happens". Always have to be prepared for the unexpected. However, easy for us to point out "the obvious" in hindsight... saying what they should have done in the heat of the battle.
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Sure, you could have done that. But every coach in the league knows that only a moron would go for it deep in your own territory with an eight point lead. You won't be fooling anybody. Well, nobody who actually coaches in the NFL that is.
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There's a piece of data missing here.
Coaches that go for it in their own territory and fail,aren't coaches for very long. Neither are coaches that are 2-33-1..
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I don't get how one fumble means someone is "obviously not comfortable" under center. Don't remember saying that it was the fumble that meant he was uncomfortable under center. He was hardly ever under center in college, and in preseason he said something along the lines that he needed to get comfortable with it.
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At that point I was numb and shocked that we got a game taken away from us to think about anything.
At that point I knew we were going to lose a Thought I almost NEVER HAVE. Screw the NFL and what are we to do, blame HUE for the loss. Blame him for not even thinking about 4th and 1? Why we won the game already.
did it matter?
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It's funny. It wasn't even 4th and 1, right? 4th and inches. Just fall over and we have a first down. The success rate on those plays is so high.
Game. Over.
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It's funny. It wasn't even 4th and 1, right? 4th and inches. Just fall over and we have a first down. The success rate on those plays is so high.
Game. Over. And if we didn't make it, or got another bad spot, people would have been calling for Hue's head for being so stupid and costing us the game.
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Perhaps. But at least we had the testicular fortitude to try and end it right then and there. My point is, Hue probably would not have failed going for it. Again, the success rate on those plays is so very high on a QB sneak.
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I'll add one more comment.
People need to stop thinking about field position when it comes to deciding to go for it in this situation. It's irrelevant and not a variable to be considered here. It's about probability of success. From the article, 80% success rate on 4th and 2 with a QB sneak.
And we're not talking about 4th and 2,
We're not even talking about 4th and 1,
We're talking about 4th and inches!
We could have won then and there. We didn't. We punted.
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Yeah, going for 4th down deep in your own territory is the standard call when you're up by 8 points late in the game.
Sarcasm intended.
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There are alot of "standard" calls in the NFL that aren't the right calls. So standard is irrelevant here.
Anything else?
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Sure there is. It never ceases to amaze me when a Browns fan thinks he knows more than all the HC's in the NFL. They don't but it amazes me when they think they do.
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It never ceases to amaze me when a Browns fan thinks he knows more than all the HC's in the NFL This is the dumbest argument ever and I laugh every time people bring this up. Yes, just because there are only 32 NFL head coaches, it means, definitively, that they are the best coaches and managers at this point in time. Makes complete sense. So stupid. Haha.
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Let me know when someone is willing to pay you millions to coach an NFL team. I won't be holding my breath here.
You are trying to make a terrible point. NOBODY does or should go for it deep in their own territory late in the game with an 8 point lead. That's just moronic.
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Let me know when someone is willing to pay you millions to coach an NFL team. I won't be holding my breath here. Again, stupid argument and not relevant here. By that logic we're paying millions to have a coach be 2-33-1. Not a sound connection. I love the old man, antiquated logic, though. Reminds of Holmgren.
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The fact that you think you know more than all of the football minds in America speaks volumes. Not in a good way, but you know.
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Percentage of TDs on any drive 2018: 22.8%
Percentage of TDs in Red Zone in 2018: 58.3%
Opposition is 2.56 times more likely to score in Red Zone
Work in likely hood of converting two point conversion (47.9%)
If we punt there is an 11% chance Oakland scores a TD and converts.
If we go on 4th and fail - Oakland has a 28% chance of a TD and conversion.
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Yeah, going for 4th down deep in your own territory is the standard call when you're up by 8 points late in the game.
Sarcasm intended. right. i need these posters to start posting examples of coaches routinely doing this throughout the history of the nfl. cause thats a quick way to get a coach fired.
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FATE brought the irrefutable facts to the table.
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It's really easy to sit in a chair, in front of their TV or computer, and make these kind of decisions, especially in retrospect.
It's harder when you are the head coach, in a job where if a decision like that blows up in your face, it's your job.
I wonder what people would have said if we did that, didn't make it, and Baker got hurt. Oh the chorus of fury would be deafening.
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FATE brought the irrefutable facts to the table. Yep and the facts from the article aren't. 
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Yeah, going for 4th down deep in your own territory is the standard call when you're up by 8 points late in the game.
Sarcasm intended. right. i need these posters to start posting examples of coaches routinely doing this throughout the history of the nfl. cause thats a quick way to get a coach fired. I think both decisions were good/bad, but I don’t think a coach should make decisions because he might get fired. The coach should make decision based on what will best help the team win. Unfortunately our coach will be coaching not to get fired for the foreseeable future.
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I think it's hard for people to understand that all of this is speculation after the fact. The raiders came back to tie and subsequently won. That's the only reason we're having this conversation. People act as if our coach should have known that and acted accordingly. I can try to cram it into a shell with probabilities, others can try to frame it as something "a winning coach" would do. It's all a bit ridiculous.
Anybody who says judging this coaching decision has nothing to do with the outcome of the game... answer me this...
If we punted and stopped the raiders, please name one person on the planet who would be saying we should have gone on 4th and 1 instead of punting.
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I think it's hard for people to understand that all of this is speculation after the fact. The raiders came back to tie and subsequently won. That's the only reason we're having this conversation. People act as if our coach should have known that and acted accordingly. I can try to cram it into a shell with probabilities, others can try to frame it as something "a winning coach" would do. It's all a bit ridiculous.
Anybody who says judging this coaching decision has nothing to do with the outcome of the game... answer me this...
If we punted and stopped the raiders, please name one person on the planet who would be saying we should have gone on 4th and 1 instead of punting.
That pretty much sums it up.
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