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Please they already know..they're trying to get the max outta both..
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So here's the important stuff, and I hope some of you , yeah you PIT...realize the Browns have a plan..
Lets address Frye/Anderson.
The plan is to get those two to perform better especially in the redzone..
They know Frye has more game experience than Anderson, hence the nod he gets to start against Denver...however they still want to look at DA..
The second part is that one of them (if performing well) gives them value on the open market..
Read between the lines as to WHO that might be.
Fooley's question was since the third preseaon game is really a dress rehersal for the opening game thats when you usually name a starter and he generally plays that first regular season game.
Phil responded thats the norm, but the norm may not apply to the Browns this year.
They do want their opponents wondering who's going to take the snaps...
They could trade one of their QB's or they could go with 4 ...
What part of "coulda,shoulda,woulda,may aren't YOU reading!??
He's said what they've been saying,not a damned thing. We "could" do this. It "may mean" this. = nothing.
He's not telling the media anything "verbaly". He doesn't have to.
Common sense dictates that Fooley's question that since the third preseaon game is really a dress rehersal for the opening game is legitimate and "standard operating procedure" for the NFL.
Your answer will come in that game as to who our starter will be on openning day. Simple as that. If not,they're throwing common sense and caution to the wind. Taking a HUGE risk on tanking the start of this season.
The ONLY thing that Savage said matter of factly,is that Green would have cost too much. I agree. He also stated they weren't going to rush Quinn. I agree.
Otherwise,he didn't say Jack!
There's nothing to "read between the lines" there.
You'll either see them "prepare this team with the starter" or abandon common sense in that department. And nothing in this story addresses any of that. Tricking or fooling the Steelers? With what pray tell?
They have film on DA. They know his weaknesses and what D calls to send in to beat him They've played against Frye enough to know how to defend against him.
And Dorsey? Yeah,that would surprise them. But if you don't give Dorsey the reps with the first string in pre-season and in camp,then start him? Dee dee dee!
Unless you're reading crystal balls and saying "may and could" have any real meaning? And normally,you're a little smarter than that. But on this issue? I'm not so certain.
You're in a defensive posture trying to defend the indefensable.Trying to read things that are simply NOT "stated" there. Nobody has to "name a starter". You just have to have the team "prepared with one" And DA and Frye have taken the VAST majority of snaps in camp and ALL of pre season with the first team. With the possible acception of Quinn getting a few in camp now. So you either follow through with your investment or???
Show that you were wrong all along and resort to a "rushed plan B". Use your head man. You tank your entire time and investment in this "QB competition" by going with some third entity that you haven't properly given snaps in camp OR pre season time in preparing with your starters? THIS GAME WILL determine who starts on openning day IF they plan to do their job of having this team properly prepared to compete to their utmost ability.
So far I'm not convinced they'll do that. But if they don't,it will speak volumes.
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Pit I told U rac is toying with the media, and when he responded to the reporter and asked "WHO DO U WANT IT TO BE?"..WHEN the guys preplied BQ , he said "Thats who it will be for you"..he's playing with them..
He isn't going to budge from what he wants to do..and he's letting the media know they don't control him or dictate otherwise..
Well if he "does have his mind made up" he will use game three and four of the pre season preparing our team for openning day with that starter.If not,he's not just toying with the media,he's toying with the Browns being properly prepared on openning day. At that juncture,the joke's on him.
I've never stated he SHOULD "tell anybody". Just quit playing musical chairs IN THE GAME.
I don't care what he tells the media. Accept for one thing.......
You DID CLAIM that the coin flip WOULDN'T happen. That it was a "joke". That's where this entire thing started as you saying it was a joke. Exactly when you started it. You were wrong. It did happen. And if you saw the post game interviews,you know that Charlie failed to see the "humor of that joke". So you WERE wrong about that.
Otherwise,I don't care if he tells the media he's starting the frickin' tooth fairy!
But whoever IS going to start,they need the proper reps and playing time with the first team to be game ready on Sept. 9.
Or is that a "joke" too?
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Thank you...point taken - what's confusing is the kid is signed and in camp....But he still calls him "The Quarterback" or "The Young Quarterback" - in his pressers which btw is what I go on as 90% of all articles written are from the pressers.
When I see him refer to BQ as "The Quarterback" and he has a smile and gleam in his eye. I see it as a reference of status not as an insult.
Yes, thank you for the article PRIOR to him signing...but all my references which btw was brought up by me viewing Current Pressers with RAC not brought up by anyone remembering an OLD ARTICLE prior to him signing.
Words have different meanings when and where they are used. I referenced my observation AFTER Brady signed and RAC was not calling him Brady.
Then again its basically people will believe what they want to believe.
And as I pointed out. Form a line right behind Peen on posters who think RAC is a horses behind. And that line to a man would insist its still Pre-signing and RAC is insulting BQ. My question to you would be - how come he's not calling him Brady? You really think he's insulting him still? Now that he's in and working hard and had a great debut?
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Where is he still calling him the QB when it isn't some generic reference??
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Did some of these posters meld with your brain and destroy some of the 6 brain cells I thought you had??  He's not telling the media anything "verbaly". He doesn't have to.
Oh so now you backpeddled and spew that out after you've barked about about how they aren't letting us know what they're doing? Or that you never felt they knew what they were doing? I said all along they don't have to tell the media anything..but they know what they're doing .. The ONLY thing that Savage said matter of factly,is that Green would have cost too much. I agree. He also stated they weren't going to rush Quinn. I agree.
Otherwise,he didn't say Jack!
No, U just don't want to see anything.. You're in a defensive posture trying to defend the indefensable.Trying to read things that are simply NOT "stated" there. Ha...yeah defensive posture...U've reached so far now and been so caught up in the coin flip that you've burned out your senses... What do I gain by defending them? Notta thing.. U in all your glorious wisdom think they never had a plan which in fact they do and they've been playing the plan in front of your eyes.. It NEVER SCRIPTED the wayYOU wanted it to. Nobody has to "name a starter". Dude you've been coughing over the fact they HADN'T.. Now they don' t have to..? So what side of the fence do you reside? Or did you fall off and hit your head? Thats funny, Pit..now according to you they don't have to name a starter.. Sure sounds like totally different thoughts today.. The coin flip gave you a stroke and you know it..and that is the real thing that has stuck on you all along.. And what I said about read between the lines isn't rocket science..someone is BEING SHOWCASED to be dealt when the time is right.. You starting to sound like a few other posters who start reaching with their comments.. Bad....vera bad...
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unless #9 gets hurt
Don't you start that crap too. maybe you and Ammo should hang out. 
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He gives a presser almost after every day at practice...I listen to him - I listen to them all and most are lengthy.
How's everyone doing...Ok? Good...chuckle, chuckle, chuckle - Thats pretty much how everyone starts...lol 
But I distinctly etched in my memory twice within the last week where he Referred to BQ as "The Quarterback"
No article for me to link - you will have to take my word on it. But everyday or evening as sometimes the daily presser goes up after 5p.m. I'll watch sit and listen. My wife comes home and says - "Daddy thinks he's talking to him again" to anyone who will listen - Sometimes Savage will have a Presser and she states..."He talks to you too" - all in jest of course. But basically she's jealous...lol
I'm not reading a quote in a paper...I see his face I see his expressions. He really believes in the kid! or I should say, in "The Quarterback".
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Anyone else get the idea that Crennel is in way over his head and has no idea what he's doing?
I bet you think you can do better. 
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Anyone else get the idea that Crennel is in way over his head and has no idea what he's doing?
I bet you think you can do better.
Certainly not. But the guy seems lost on almost all aspects...personnel, clock management...I mean, where's his strong suit? This isn't a fire RAC comment, it's a 'this guy is lost' comment....maybe he figures it out, maybe he matures with the team...but the guy just doesn't inspire much confidence in me right now...
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You DID CLAIM that the coin flip WOULDN'T happen. That it was a "joke". That's where this entire thing started as you saying it was a joke. Exactly when you started it. You were wrong. It did happen. And if you saw the post game interviews,you know that Charlie failed to see the "humor of that joke". So you WERE wrong So what? I said it and laughed and even when he actually did do it I still laughed..I still said it was a joke and laughed.. I didn't care that he did it and I found it funny as heck..it was funny to me. So the only thing wrong in me was that I was in error in saying it wouldn't happen... if I actually said that. If Frye was hurt about it..well tuff.. I loose credibility because of a coin toss.. WOW..I'm hurt.. See..the fact you keep going to it and sounding upset about it means it still sticks in your craw... IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME ONE BIT.
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I think it is RAC's personality that is not meshing well with some of the fans. We want to know what is going on at all times, and RAC is someone who likes to hold his cards tight.
There is no question RAC has made some decisions on game day that make you go hmmm, however the guy has been doing something right for 30 years. Now that he has some talent around him, lets see what he can do.
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Did some of these posters meld with your brain and destroy some of the 6 brain cells I thought you had??
Oh,this makes you sound SO much more credible!
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Oh so now you backpeddled and spew that out after you've barked about about how they aren't letting us know what they're doing?
Or that you never felt they knew what they were doing?
I've stated all along "quit playing musical chairs" at QB. Pretty basic Bud. Play who's gonna start and quit wasting time. At that juncture,we KNOW who the starter is don't we?
I'm not the one who said the coin flip was a joke and would never happen. And now claim I was right all along.
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I said all along they don't have to tell the media anything..but they know what they're doing ..
If they knew all along,then they shouldn't have been wasting so much time splitting time between DA and Frye while trying to install a new O scheme. That's NOT going to breed success. Either they knew all along and just wasted valuable time,or couldn't make up his mind..........................
Neither is anything I consider worthy of being impressed by.
Guess what? We've got a BRAND new O scheme and OC.
We're going into week 3 of the pre season and well over half of training camp. The "named starter in game three" has QB'd how many drives in all of pre-season with the first stringers again?
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No, U just don't want to see anything..
I tell ya what I did see. You read into it that "RAC wasn't going to have a coin flip and it was a joke". Now that's how well I've seen YOU "read between the lines". How YOU take could haves and maybes and "pretend they mean something". Sorry if I bow out on playing "follow the leader" on your latest "speculation".
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Ha...yeah defensive posture...U've reached so far now and been so caught up in the coin flip that you've burned out your senses...
And you were completly wrong about it by trying to "read between the lines" and say it wasn't going to happen. Now you expect me to believe that you have suddenly been blessed with the ability to "read between the lines" NOW???
I don't think so..................
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What do I gain by defending them?
Notta thing..
I didn't say you were "defending them".
You claimed he was "toying with the media all along. That the coin flip would not happen" yada,yada,yada.
Now,at THIS juncture,I too feel they're toying with the media. I,now TOO think they know who is going to start on openning day.
Common sense dictates that game three is the game that your starters play in MOST! By naming Charle the starter in game three,IF in fact he takes the bulk of the snaps with the first string,will be the starter on oppening day.
If not? They don't have a clue what the hell they're doing!
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U in all your glorious wisdom think they never had a plan which in fact they do and they've been playing the plan in front of your eyes..
It NEVER SCRIPTED the wayYOU wanted it to.
If you call flipping coins and not concentrating on preparing a team with a new OC and O scheme with a starter if "you KNOW who it is" a plan? Okie Dokie!
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So what side of the fence do you reside?
Or did you fall off and hit your head?
You need to prepare this team with this new OC and new O scheme. Gaining continuity and timing with a starting QB in place is critical in accomplishing that. So PICK A GUY and get busy working on it!
I can figure it out from there. And you don't need to have a public announcement or say it in a press confrence to accomplish that.
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Thats funny, Pit..now according to you they don't have to name a starter..
Sure sounds like totally different thoughts today..
As I said,you don't need to have a press confrence to NAME a starter to have a starter. But you damned sure need to have one. So far,in two games,we don't have one nor has one been named.
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The coin flip gave you a stroke and you know it..and that is the real thing that has stuck on you all along..
It was a very "unprofessional" way to start off. And I haven't seen anything that's looked professional to speak of since/sense. Unless you consider playing musical chairs professional too?
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And what I said about read between the lines isn't rocket science..someone is BEING SHOWCASED to be dealt when the time is right..
You starting to sound like a few other posters who start reaching with their comments..
Bad....vera bad...
Reaching with their comments?
I'm not the one claiming "may" means anything definative. That would be you sir.
I'm not the one claiming "could be" means anything definative. That would be you sir.
I'm not the one who claimed to be so wise that I could "read between the lines" and emphaticly state that there "would be no coin flip. That it was just a joke and wouldn't happen." That would be you sir.
Unless Charlie gets the vast majority of the first string snaps this week and that trend continues to extend THROUGH oppening day,my claim that this team may not be properly prepared out of inneptitude will be an accurate one.
Even at that,we've spent OVER half of training camp and half of pre season splitting time to end up right back at square one. RAC himself stated "Charlie had a leg up" going into training camp.
And who is starting game 3 of the pre season again? The very same guy who "had a leg up" to start with. To this point,the entire thing has been an excercise in futility. That's just the way it is.
No,may have,may not apply, or could mean, about it.
Right back to square one over half way through the process of preparing for the season. I don't have to "reach" to see the obvious. I don't have to "read between the lines".
I'll leave that up to you since you have proven to be so good at it with your "coin flip prediction" and let everyone else take a realistic look at that as well.
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So the only thing wrong in me was that I was in error in saying it wouldn't happen... if I actually said that.
Oh,you know you said it. So does everybody else who read it.
So what?
All it really means,is that due to the fact you were 100% wrong "reading between the lines" then,why should I give you ANY credability about "reading between the lines" now?
I shouldn't.
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Where is he still calling him the QB when it isn't some generic reference??
Not that I think it really matters but he just did that yesterday in a presser.. it's on the main page.,., Check it out
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Oh,this makes you sound SO much more credible Since it's over your head , you are starting to sound like some other posters who just post things which don't pertain to the topic.. I've stated all along "quit playing musical chairs" at QB. This is what I mean by my remarks. They were having a competition to see if it made either of the two QB;s any better.. A fair competition.. I'm not the one who said the coin flip was a joke and would never happen. And now claim I was right all along That sounds so silly.. What your CLAIM was , was that the competition was hurting them. It hasn't..it didn't do anything except to expolit even further that neither QB is that much beter than the other.. Neither seized the opportunity. if either was that good whenever they got in a series , they would have outperformed the other hands down. Guess what? We've got a BRAND new O scheme and OC. Guess what? The starting QB should be ready to play regardless. We're going into week 3 of the pre season and well over half of training camp. The "named starter in game three" has QB'd how many drives in all of pre-season with the first stringers again?
Irrelevant..in preseason the starter never plays that much..it's for the backups and guys getting put on the PS or cut/traded. Frye has had snaps..he will get more . U keep on worrying about that. I tell ya what I did see. You read into it that "RAC wasn't going to have a coin flip and it was a joke". I said before you were insulted by that and it's showing again and again. Who besides U care that he flipped a quarter to name his starter??? Common sense dictates that game three is the game that your starters play in MOST Dictated by whom? Every team doesn't do that..it their call..just like the Browns will call how many series their starters play. If you call flipping coins and not concentrating on preparing a team with a new OC and O scheme with a starter if "you KNOW who it is" a plan? Okie Dokie!
Wait..I see..since they installed both QB's in one half of play, alternating series STILL using the new scheme , they weren't preparing their offense ... Yep you got that figured that  I didn't say you were "defending them".
Yes U did.... You're in a defensive posture trying to defend the indefensable So whats that saying??? You need to prepare this team with this new OC and new O scheme. Gaining continuity and timing with a starting QB in place is critical in accomplishing that. So PICK A GUY and get busy working on it!
So what happened? Frye started game one ...DA started game two, Frye is named starter this week. The starter was picked for each game, and they went with it. Guess you still forgot they do what they want in preseason.. Even at that,we've spent OVER half of training camp and half of pre season splitting time to end up right back at square one. RAC himself stated "Charlie had a leg up" going into training camp.
And the competition allowed him to be the starter this week..he had the spot by default and they gave Anderson the chance to take it away. He hasn't. So in that case they played it out..just because it's that way doesn't mean Frye is mountains apart from DA.. He isn't.. If all you have to come back on is that I was wrong about a coin flip then it's all she wrote for me
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Oh,this makes you sound SO much more credible
Since it's over your head , you are starting to sound like some other posters who just post things which don't pertain to the topic..
You know? This was IN response to something that very much resembles your remark here!
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This is what I mean by my remarks.
They were having a competition to see if it made either of the two QB;s any better..
A fair competition..
What your CLAIM was , was that the competition was hurting them.
It hasn't..it didn't do anything except to expolit even further that neither QB is that much beter than the other..
Neither seized the opportunity.
if either was that good whenever they got in a series , they would have outperformed the other hands down.
There's only ONE logical explanation for this "competition". Only one.
IF Chuds system "REQUIRES a strong arm" then there was a "dire need" to give DA a shot at the starting role to execute Chuds system. DA has the arm,he just doesn't know how to use it!
Okay,I'll let you argue with Diams point of view..............
(this should be interesting)
Diam says Frye is below average.
But he says DA is WAY below average!
In fact he said,Da won't even be on a NFL roster this year!
Now why on Gods green earth,would you have a "competition" with a guy "not fit" to even be on an NFL roster?
Because you GOTTA have a deep threat in the pocket to execute this O. It's the only "logical" explanation. If that's so,Quinn will be thrown in early. If Charlie falters and they know getting "the big gun" in there is the only way to execute this offense effectively,You'll see "The Mighty Quinn". Ready or not,they'll say he is.
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Guess what? The starting QB should be ready to play regardless.
Yeah,developing timing and rythym against oposing teams in pre season has no impacxt on the readiness of your O.
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Irrelevant..in preseason the starter never plays that much..
That doesn't even deserve a comment. I guess when you split the time the starting QB's play IN HALF you may have a point!
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it's for the backups and guys getting put on the PS or cut/traded.
Frye has had snaps..he will get more .
U keep on worrying about that.
Yeah,we're installing a new O and all we have to worry about is the back-ups. Yeap we won an entire 4 games last year and we need to worry about is who's getting cut. Are you actually reading what you're posting here?
And why would I "worry" about it. It is what it is. Pure frivolity. I can't change it.
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I said before you were insulted by that and it's showing again and again.
Who besides U care that he flipped a quarter to name his starter???
Confused by the sheer silliness of it all.maybe. Insulted by it? Are you for real?
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Dictated by whom?
Every team doesn't do that..it their call..just like the Browns will call how many series their starters play.
Well they better "dictate" that somebody take over at QB pretty quick if they expect to be ready for the Steelers in ONLY a few weeks.
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Wait..I see..since they installed both QB's in one half of play, alternating series STILL using the new scheme , they weren't preparing their offense ...
Yep you got that figured that
I thought you were the BIG proponent of "continuity"? Doesn't sound like that's what you're supporting right now? I see,the OL "needs to gel". A team needs "continuity". But hey,developing a rythym with the starting QB in pre season has nothing to do with your "O geling and developing continuity as a unit"
Pulease............
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I didn't say you were "defending them".
Yes U did....
You're in a defensive posture trying to defend the indefensable
So whats that saying???
Okay I'll spell it out for ya.........
YOU have taken a stand on YOUR point of view. The longer this thing plays out,the more defensive YOU are becoming. Nothing about "them".
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Frye started game one ...DA started game two, Frye is named starter this week.
The starter was picked for each game, and they went with it.
Guess you still forgot they do what they want in preseason.
Oh,they can do "what ever they want". That doesn't always mean it's for the best,or right..
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And the competition allowed him to be the starter this week..he had the spot by default and they gave Anderson the chance to take it away.
He hasn't.
So in that case they played it out..just because it's that way doesn't mean Frye is mountains apart from DA..
He isn't..
If all you have to come back on is that I was wrong about a coin flip
then it's all she wrote for me
Oh,you're pretty much out of ammunition anyway. Your biggest prediction to date was wrong. Yet you preach about "reading between the lines".
You sit on this board for some time talking about "continuity" and how things "need to gel". Then you sit here and jump on the opposite side of everything you've preeched in that department upholding some silly "competition" that has helped to stifle the very type of "continuity" we need tp prepare for the regular season.
Yes,wheather you realise it or not,I think you're about done!
Like I said,for any of this to actually "make sense" they feel they MUST have a "big gun" to execute Chuds O. It's the only rational explanation for giving DA a shot in the first place.
They KNEW he was a lesser QB than Frye going into this and there was no "true competition" to begin with. Only a "hope and a prayer". DA is what he is and what he always will be. As Diam said He won't even be on an NFL roster come game day
So,it's obvious that "the big gun" is needed to run Chuds O. When Charlie falters,Quinn will get thrown in and they'll "claim he's ready".
Instead of "reading between the lines",I use a little logic. It pays off pretty well. It doesn't take trying to figure out "maybes and could be's" to do that.
Just watch what I'm tellin' ya!
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There's only ONE logical explanation for this "competition". Only one.
IF Chuds system "REQUIRES a strong arm" then there was a "dire need" to give DA a shot at the starting role to execute Chuds system. DA has the arm,he just doesn't know how to use it!
Finally you stopped going to that nonsense about a quarter and actually presented a reason..now why didn't you do that before? Whats so hard to see that the comp was given to see if Da could actually outperform Frye in this new offense? A offense which requires a quick release and accuracy on timing routes? Okay,I'll let you argue with Diams point of view..............
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Diam says Frye is below average.
But he says DA is WAY below average!
In fact he said,Da won't even be on a NFL roster this year!
Now why on Gods green earth,would you have a "competition" with a guy "not fit" to even be on an NFL roster?
Because you GOTTA have a deep threat in the pocket to execute this O. It's the only "logical" explanation. If that's so,Quinn will be thrown in early. If Charlie falters and they know getting "the big gun" in there is the only way to execute this offense effectively,You'll see "The Mighty Quinn". Ready or not,they'll say he is. Now you're answering your own questions which sound reasonable. Thats what I mean by reading between the lines which you're now doing. The fact is DA has the physical tools but not the maturity/ability to read coverages or adjust his touch on the ball. IF HE HAD THOSE intangibles he'd beat Frye out handily. And forget about BQ being put in early..won't happen.. Well they better "dictate" that somebody take over at QB pretty quick if they expect to be ready for the Steelers in ONLY a few weeks.
The comp is supposed to clear it up and I believe it has... I thought you were the BIG proponent of "continuity"? Doesn't sound like that's what you're supporting right now? I see,the OL "needs to gel". A team needs "continuity". But hey,developing a rythym with the starting QB in pre season has nothing to do with your "O geling and developing continuity as a unit"
First continuity is important. But it doesn't invalidate having a QB competition..the fact that neither truely outshined the other has little to do with continuity and more of the skillset of both. Now the oline gaining continuity HAS LITTLE to with who takes the snaps.. Pitt they have to learn and execute their blocking schemes and pass protection blocks no matter the QB.. The progress of that should never be affected by the QB. Rac can start Frye and he gets hurt or is ineffective and DA comes in..they have to execute REGARDLESS .. Oh,you're pretty much out of ammunition anyway. Your biggest prediction to date was wrong. Yet you preach about "reading between the lines".
Thats my biggest prediction to date? U actually believe that.. Yes,wheather you realise it or not,I think you're about done! I'm through with that coinflip and pretty much was ,after it happened.. Oh,you're pretty much out of ammunition anyway Why? Because I haven't crashed and burned like you have over the last two weeks?
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Finally you stopped going to that nonsense about a quarter and actually presented a reason..now why didn't you do that before?
Whats so hard to see that the comp was given to see if Da could actually outperform Frye in this new offense?
A offense which requires a quick release and accuracy on timing routes?
Well,I certainly haven't seen you give a logical explanation to date. The only thing I've heard is "read between the lines".
There was between 0-10% chance that DA outperform Charlie on ANY level. They knew that going in. Which means it was never a true "QB competition" to begin with. Just a "hope and a prayer".
But like I said,at least I'm giving an explanation and opinion rather than regurgitating the old "read between the lines". And then pretending I had some insight based on such a vague terminology. Which is double talk that means nothing.
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Now you're answering your own questions which sound reasonable.
Thats what I mean by reading between the lines which you're now doing.
Oh I see. Once someone else comes up with a somewhat "logical explanation" it's what "you've been saying all along? Hey,I guess that's better than having to think it out and explain it for yourself.
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The fact is DA has the physical tools but not the maturity/ability to read coverages or adjust his touch on the ball.
IF HE HAD THOSE intangibles he'd beat Frye out handily.
He didn't have them last year. Didn't have them going into camp. And doesn't have them now. I repeat,it was a "hope and a prayer" on the part of the coaching staff "disguised" as a QB competition. Pretty simple really.
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And forget about BQ being put in early..won't happen..
Just remember,this is another "prediction of yours" I say before the bye rather than after the bye if we aren't winning. What is your "definition of early"?? Just trying to pin you down to actually being accountable for what you're saying rather than do the "broad brush" generalizations only to say "See I told you so" later after having said nothing of substance to begin with.
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Comp? Not quite. They were playing Ozzy.................."I'm Looking For A Miracle Man!"
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But it doesn't invalidate having a QB competition..the fact that neither truely outshined the other has little to do with continuity and more of the
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A 10% or less chance of success does not constitute a competition. It constitutes an act of desperation. Big difference.
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Now the oline gaining continuity HAS LITTLE to with who takes the snaps..
Pitt they have to learn and execute their blocking schemes and pass protection blocks no matter the QB..
The progress of that should never be affected by the QB.
Rac can start Frye and he gets hurt or is ineffective and DA comes in..they have to execute REGARDLESS ..
If you're trying to dismiss the fact that the QB working with the entire offense and that repetition among the entire starting unit does not breed familiarity and continuity in that regard,your entire premise is groundless and baseless. Anyone who has coached or played the game will tell you that it is a critical factor in the overall cohesiveness and familiarity within the entire offensive unit.
And the fact you just keep trying to dismiss that is ludicrus. ESPECIALLY when tryiing to install a new offensive scheme.
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U actually believe that..
So far this year? That we can see the concrete results of? Yes............ But the year is still early.
So how many games will it take to constitute "Not starting Quinn early" again? Is anything "before the bye" early by "your standard"?
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Well,if I got it wrong,I'd say dropping it the quicker the better was the right thing to do.
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Crashed and burned? Nah,I'm ahead of the game. I'm looking at what's going on around me and making conclusions based on the evidence.
You're the one who posts articles and says "Read between the lines"?
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Well,I certainly haven't seen you give a logical explanation to date. Not according to YOU I haven't given one logical explanation Thats ridiculous..you're only trying to discredit me because you refuse to look at it for it is..and you're annoyed I don't see it that way. I'm not making more of this than needs to be..it's not bothering me one bit.. It's like your just arguing to be arguing..you're upset about one little thing and now it's escalated to all these other wild things you've drummed up.. No matter whats being pointed out to you , you're trying to dismiss it ..or look around it for another meaning.. If you think you've made conclusions based on what you see I want to take a peek at the alternate universe you're passing through
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I think it is RAC's personality that is not meshing well with some of the fans. We want to know what is going on at all times, and RAC is someone who likes to hold his cards tight.
There is no question RAC has made some decisions on game day that make you go hmmm, however the guy has been doing something right for 30 years. Now that he has some talent around him, lets see what he can do.
I'm not particularly turned off by his demeanor. I'm turned off - mainly - by the decisions he's made on the field. I like Romeo, I'm rooting for Romeo, but as a coach on the field in the moment, he really makes me miss the hell out of Butch Davis. Everytime I look at Crennel, I see confusion. Maybe I'm reading into something there, but I think the guy is still learning the ropes of being a HC; OC or DC is a whole different gig. As far as the eye can see - and anyone can tell me I'm wrong and I'll probably listen - he looks to have the respect of his players. I'm sure Frye and Anderson are a bit miffed...and they should be - the back and forth thing has had much more detriment than it did positive. And make no mistake about it - we've lost 22 games under him because our roster is awful; but Crennel's shown me nothing to say that if he had it, we'd be better under his guidance. In fact, I think his decisions may have cost us a few. And he's new at this, so he gets some time to grow up before he heads to New England to win Super Bowls , but I'm jsut saying I'm not impressed yet.
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Not according to YOU I haven't given one logical explanation
Thats ridiculous..you're only trying to discredit me because you refuse to look at it for it is..and you're annoyed I don't see it that way.
I'm not making more of this than needs to be..it's not bothering me one bit..
Nah. The simple fact is DA had a strong arm with zero ability to read D's. He's consistantly thrown into double and tripple coverage. That's nothing new. It's not really a point of contention for anybody who watched him play. I'm not arguing that point. I'm stating the fact of the matter. He was mediocre in college,and that never changed.
So bad in fact,that a Ravens team in desperate need of a QB cut him because of it. He had three starts last year and did the exact same thing to the tune of 7 ints. Now either you're trying to say that our coaching staff was unaware of that,or it was a desperation attempt to hope something,anything had changed.
They knew the odds were slim and none. That's not an attempt to discredit anyone. That's just the heart of the matter.
And you are the one who quoted an article where Phil did a lot of doubletalking. He didn't really come out and say much of anything. Yet you read into it that it had some "hidden meaning". I simply broke it down and plainly shown that he danced around answerring any of those "serious questions" and said nothing of substance. Now if what you inferred when you posted that...................."Read between the lines" somehow discredits you,or you feel is an attempt to discredit you,I think you really need to look at the infererance,the context of the article,and who posted it. Thart certainly wasn't me.
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It's like your just arguing to be arguing..you're upset about one little thing and now it's escalated to all these other wild things you've drummed up..
No matter whats being pointed out to you , you're trying to dismiss it ..or look around it for another meaning..
No,the fact of the matter is,it was the only "dogs chance in hell" RAC had. Not much of one. Pretty much slim and none. From being mediocre in college,to being cut by a team in dire need of a QB,to his consistant habit of throwing into double and triple coverage. But with the Quinn hold out,it was his ONLY shot at having a QB with a "big arm" to run Chuds system.
But saying that it was a true "competition"? Not hardly. To honestly think the two were "equal in talent" going into training camp or pre-season? Not even close. It was ameturish and poorly handled.
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If you think you've made conclusions based on what you see I want to take a peek at the alternate universe you're passing through
Well,in my "alternate universe" I don't blindly think our head coach bats 1000. I don't think you bat 1000. I don't think I bat 1000.
Of course in your version of "reality" you believe some people are "perfect geniuses",send "hidden messages" via reporters through inuendo and bat 1000. And anyone who questions any of those moves,"Must be a hater".
Back in my "alternate universe" I know we're all human. I'm not "a hater of RAC" but I'm not going to pretend he bats a 1000 either. Objectively speaking,this was a "long shot experiment" not a "QB competition". I'll let those who read this and watched this entire thing play itself out weigh the evidence for themselves on that.
Just like BE. When he acted like a child,I said he acted like a child. When he consistantly dropped passes,I called it as I saw it.
Result? I was a BE hater!
This year? Guess what? He's doing much better! He's given me reason for hope thus far. And I've stated it on more than one thread. So does that "make me a hater"? Or somebody who simply calls it what it is?
I have no big beef with RAC. But he made a boo boo here in how he handled this situation. Plain and simple. Because nobody bats 1000. The funny thing is,some make it sound like he does. No,he's human too.
So you label me a hater,say I'm living in some alternate universe,yada,yada,yada while saying I'm trying to discredit you? Looks like you don't bat 1000 either.
When RAC does well,Ill be happy to say so! Just like I'm happy to see BE doing much better! Because I'm a Browns fan. I want RAC to do well. I want BE to do well! I want LCB to come back 100%! I want Baxter to play like he did when we signed him! Because I'm a Browns fan!
But I'm not going to blindly turn my head on their mistakes either. I'm not going to blindly overlook the odds of players "coming back to 100%" based on the evidence at hand. .
And I'll also be thrilled to give credit where credit is due. And hope like hell I'll be dishing out a LOT of praise SOON! Just like I'm starting to do with BE,who's starting to earn it.
I'm not going to "pretend" that any human bats 1000. That seems to be your version of reality.
And you can keep it.
BTW- You never did say how "early,early" was?
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Are you guys retired or something........
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This is pretty funny...
On the surface we have a QB crotrversy, now we have plots and subplots then a daytime soap opera.
Frye or Anderson could have answered the question if they would have played and practiced better. They did not.
The door is open for Quinn when RAC deems him ready, nothing more or less.
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I think Romeos inability to choose a QB is more proof that RAC cannot make the decisions that a Head Coach needs to make. Lets look at the BIG picture. What does this season really mean to this franchise? Do we expect to win the Super Bowl? Do we expect to make the playoffs? NO This year is a year for growth! A year to give the players of the future the experience they need to become the players they have a chance to become so maybe we become competitors in 2008. This year is meaningless for this franchise EXCEPT from the perspective that it is a year to develop young players. I can recall two rookie QBs that were given the reigns their first season, namely Payton manning and Troy Aikman. Neither team won more than four games their rookie season! Can we expect to do much better with our veteran QBS, Charlie or Derek? NO! Dallas only won seven games Troys second year. In Peytons second the Colts won 13! Do you think Peyton would have won 13 games his second year sitting on the bench being mentored by Charlie Frye? Hell no! We are no different than the Cowboys of the late 80s and the Colts of the mid 90s. Aikman went on to win what 3 Super Bowls? Peyton at least 1! Both started as rookies on BAD teams. So why not give Quinn the nod for the simple reason that he will go through his growing pains this year and we may be a much better team next year because of it! Charlie and Derek? What's the point? Neither will be the starter next year!  Once again RAC has shown he has no foresight! Starting Frye or Anderson is absolute futility. If he goes into this season starting CF or DA and enters the bye week 1-5 he is done! IF he writes off the year as a developmental year for Quinn I think he gets a pass. pct TD Int W-L Aikman 1990 56.6 11 18 7-9 1989 52.9 9 18 1-15 Manning 1999 62.1 26 15 13-3 1998 56.7 26 28 3-13
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No it's just another (know it all) episode of As The Stomach Turns!
If these two really knew what they were talking about they would not be posting on here.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Frye or Anderson could have answered the question if they would have played and practiced better. They did not.
Bingo! The problem with us fans (some of us) is we want to polish a turd. The coaching staff and the front office realized that we can't polish a turd so they reached for a diamond and now they need to polish that diamond.
Believe me Romeo knows this and also knows that this could very well be his last season with the Browns if progress is not made. He has the ace of diamonds in the hole to pull out and play anytime he needs to!
Brady Quinn is the present and the future and RAC knows it. The question is when does he play that card? 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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This RAC shell game must strike him as clever; poor judgment. Tired of this parade. If it is what it is, look at how pathetic our top 2 have been. Pick one and prep. Suspect Anderson may go if anybody in league missed the first two preemie games Dem Browns of Old Were Dem Browns of Gold! May the Elf be with us! Get some more wins!
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Cal it what you will. You can't run a "stretch the field" offense with Frye. He doesn't have the arm for it. You don't have to be a "know it all" to figure that out. DA NEVER has shown the ability to read D's and ALWAYS threw into double and triple coverage. Do you really think the frog was finaly going to turn into a prince? No. And neither did they. But a chance in hell is better than no chance at all. But the frog is still a frog. With Frye's arm,it will be a "very limited" vesion of Chuds O that they can install untill Quinn is ready. And if they can't look good with "a portion" of Chuds O,they'll throw Quinn in early. You don't have to be a "know it all" to understand that Frye doesn't have a strong enough arm to run a "stretch the field" type offense. Just a little common sense. And you don't have to be a know it all to see that DA has NEVER shown the ability to read coverages. But a chance in hell was better than no chance at all. If it really tooh some "know it all" a guy like me couldn't have figured it out so easily. But it IS just that easy to figure out! That's why they drafted Quinn in the first place. His hold out just created a situation where they had to "pray" that DA might be able to pull off a metamorphasis for a short period of time. That prayer wasn't answerred. So they have to play Charlie. But the situation is very similar as to when Garcia was here. The system doesn't fit the QB. It's the "square peg in a round hole" situation just like it was when Garcia was here. Nothing all that complicated about understanding it. Well,for some people anyway.
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No it's just another (know it all) episode of As The Stomach Turns!
If these two really knew what they were talking about they would not be posting on here.
I notice you actually had something to add that concerned the topic of the thread.
Dee dee dee!
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I agree with you Pit... i just posted in another thread that Frye doesnt get any respect from opposing teams, so they will stack 8 in the box to blitz and also to contain Jamal Lewis...
for whatever reason, I think Quinn has the arm strength to keep 7 in the box which will open up the run.. There will be a huge difference b/w when Frye started his FIRST game then when Quinn starts his FIRST game..
Defenses for the most part will respect Quinn a little more..
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That's the key thing that stands out in my mind here. I mean we were told that Chud's O was going to loosen oposing D's by "stretching the field". Now Charlie does have some attributes. And clearly from watching his skill set,it's fairly onvious that being consistant in throwing the long ball most certainly isn't one of them.
I mean if you look at the true leadership ability and talent between him and DA,it's fairly obvious Charlie has the edge overall.
But if he can't "execute Chud's system by stretching the field with a good long ball" he just doesn't fit "Chuds system". There are systems that Charlies skill set would work well in. But from everything we've heard about Chuds,it's simply not a good fit.
So IMO,that's the "only reason" that DA got a shot at it in the first place. Not because his overall skill set was equal to Charlies,nor is leadership ability. They just tried to hold some "shread of hope" that DA could overcome his habitual problem of throwing into double and triple coverage as has been his trademark to this juncture.
It didn't pan out,but I can't blame them for trying. But IMO,it is what it is. And that's exactly what it was. No more,no less.
And as you mentioned,without a serious deept threat,oposing D's have a shorter field to defend. They have seen that man on man coverage will work against Charlie because his accuracy fades on the long ball. This gives them every oppertunity to stack the box.
I do see a glimmer of hope though. The way BE and Charlie handled that hot read? And the way Quinn took what was given underneath? There is a chance we can loosen oposing D's to "some extent" if we can gain consistancy at executing those things on a regular basis.
But not nearly to the extent we can if we get a "true deep threat" in the pocket at QB.
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And you are the one who quoted an article where Phil did a lot of doubletalking. He didn't really come out and say much of anything. Yet you read into it that it had some "hidden meaning". I simply broke it down and plainly shown that he danced around answerring any of those "serious questions" and said nothing of substance. Now if what you inferred when you posted that...................."Read between the lines" somehow discredits you,or you feel is an attempt to discredit you,I think you really need to look at the infererance,the context of the article,and who posted it. Thart certainly wasn't me.
I think you've gone so far in this till you're just saying anything off the top of your head. Back in my "alternate universe" I know we're all human. I'm not "a hater of RAC" but I'm not going to pretend he bats a 1000 either. Objectively speaking,this was a "long shot experiment" not a "QB competition". I'll let those who read this and watched this entire thing play itself out weigh the evidence for themselves on that.
Long term experiment? Two preseason games are long term? I'm not "a hater of RAC" but I'm not going to pretend he bats a 1000 either. Who in here does Pit? Thats not even the premise ...I'm not gonna even try to disect that cuze I see what your problem is. I'm not going to "pretend" that any human bats 1000. That seems to be your version of reality.
Thats incredible..yep according to you thats my reality... The reality is you're ticked about the coinflip...ticked that Rac didn't just name Frye the starter, ticked there is a QB competition because U think it takes precise little reps away from him, ticked that I 'm o.k with it..ticked that I called it a joke and laughed about it..ticked that I posted a interview of what Phil said and on top of it..you're just ticked off.. So all this exaggerating your doing and all this wild accusing is plain silly and it's not going to sway anything..I haven't changed my tune and I won't.
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Whatever. People can read the thread and decide for themselves. Really nothing more to say.
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PIT... there was nothing more to say 10 days ago...that didn't stop you guys from writing an encylopedia...i say keep going!... 
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there was nothing more to say 10 days ago...that didn't stop you guys from writing an encylopedia...i say keep going!...
Actually,if you look back on this thread,the go around between attack and I started at 10:41 A.M. yesterday.
So ten days ago would have been nine days befre it really started..............
But hey,after 24 hours,everything has pretty well been said that can be said. So you gotta put a halt to it somewhere.
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I have not seen anything of Chuds offense with Derrick or Charlie that would suggest that we would be stretching the field.
The mantra has been creating mismatches.
Maybe its under wraps, but I suspect that you are right that if the browns wanted to stretch the field they would be better off with Quinn or Anderson.
San Diego made it work with Brees, who does not have a strong arm. Acceptable yes, but not strong. Brees goes to NO and adapted to Peytons offense quite nicely and threw downfield significantly more last year.
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Well Charger,in the very limited time that we've had with the first team on the field to this point,I don't relly feel we've had a chance,or should I say the coaches have had a chance to implememt or display this entire O scheme. I believe we're still at the "You gotta crawl before you walk" stage of it. But from many reports and articles that were posted when Chud arrived here,I heard terms in different places such as " a variation of the Air Corrial offense" and "A stretch the field attacking style of offense". Now those reports could have been totally inaccurate as far as I know. I can't say one way or the other about that. Well,I could,but I think it would be kind of foolish. But that has been the type of reports that were perpetuated upon his arrival. So that's really all I have to go on. And I believe that Quinn has "the potential" to run that very style of offense very well. I looked at that as an indicator as well. I mean if they really felt they "had a guy" who could run that offense,I think it would be reasonable to think they would have let this year play itself out at the QB position rather than work their asses off on the phone trying to work out a deal to land Quinn now IMO And IF they feel that DA is not capable as a starter and that Frye "can't run" this system in full,they may be only implementing as much of Chud's scheme that will permit Charlie to "play within his abilities". I mean a good coach will set the system up to play to his teams strong points and stay away from their weak points. I don't see Charlie throwing in the 30-50 yard range with any "consistant accuracy". So I don't think it would be reasonable to implement such plays to any extent untill you have a QB in the pocket who can execute those plays without getting more positives than negatives as a result. Of course this is all pure theory on my part,just as much as anybody elses theory. Because no matter the poster,none of us know for sure how this offensive scheme will look as a final product. And there are theories floating around that make sense as well. The only way to know which theory has the most plausability is to see how this whole thing plays out I guess!
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I would tend to agree with your thoughts.
I think Quinn would provide the opportunity to run a larger playbook than would Frye.
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BROWNS' QB DERBY
Saturday, August 25, 2007
BY STEVE DOERSCHUK
The Leader: Charlie Frye
Case for Frye played tepidity or poorly almost weekly in 2006, but his supporting cast was inferior. The cast and the coordinator this season have much greater possibilities. Unless Frye gets a chance to start while Brady Quinn is groomed for the future, his 18 career starts will have been wasted. He moved the team in his only preseason start. He indicated improvement on a connection with Braylon Edwards, using split-second timing to turn a sack into an impressive completion on a slant. He buys time with his feet and has a better sense of when to scramble.
Case against He knows he must eliminate bonehead mistakes, but he keeps making them. Against the Chiefs, he kicked away a field goal with an ill-advised fourth-down run inside the 5. A week later, he gift-wrapped a Detroit field goal by forcing a throw over the middle on an interception seconds before halftime. His arm is adequate, but his accuracy can be dangerously erratic. He's not far ahead of Quinn, if at all, in mastering Rob Chudzinski's offense.
The Long shot: Ken Dorsey
Case for He led Miami (Fla.) to a No. 2 finish in 2000, won a national championship in 2001 and almost beat Ohio State in the 2002 title game. He has been in the league two years longer than Frye and Anderson. An A-plus student in his school days, he understands playbooks better than some coordinators. He and Quinn have become fast friends. Dorsey is better-suited than Frye or Anderson to mentor the rookie. He has been respectable in preseason games, going 13-of-18 for 120 yards, with a TD and no interceptions. He has been sacked just once for a 1-yard loss and has decent mobility.
Case against Compared to Anderson and Quinn, he has a noodle arm. He's an interception waiting to happen on out passes and throws over the middle. Defenders keep getting their hands on his throws in practice. At the NFL level, he's more book-smart that field savvy. His record as a 49ers starter was 2-8. Even thought Anderson was out and Frye was beat up heading into last year's season finale, Dorsey was snubbed. Frye started.
The Kid: Brady Quinn
Case for Sure, his 155 passing yards on two fourth-quarter touchdown drives came against Detroit scrubs playing a prevent defense. But why dismiss it? Quinn could only play the hand dealt him, and it turned up aces. Notre Dame Head Coach Charlie Weis thinks Quinn could be good right away. A guy who coordinated three Super Bowl winners for New England should know what he's talking about. Quinn plays and talks with more confidence than Tim Couch exuded after three NFL seasons. He has made steady strides since ending a 12-day holdout. If he's the quarterback of the future and has poise enough to hold up now, why waste a year grooming him in practice?
Case against He shows a strong arm but hasn't learned NFL game speed. He knows windows close more quickly at this level, but he doesn't yet know when to take a chance at a small window. One reason to sit him early is to avoid getting him killed while the line shows whether or not its supposed vast improvement is more than just theory. His holdout set him back. The humility coming from paying some dues might help. He can play later in the season if things aren't going well - and the brass isn't planning on playoff contention.
The Challenger: Derek Anderson
Case for Anderson shouldn't be dismissed just because he was a late draft pick, No. 222 overall. That's in the same neighborhood as Trent Green and Tom Brady, who rank in the all-time top 10 in career passer rating. Anderson faded over the course of his four games in 2006, but he was playing behind a bad line. He was sensational in directing an overtime win against the Chiefs. Anderson has a big arm and a quiet toughness. He doesn't fake machismo just so he can "sound like a quarterback."
Case against For now, at least, he too often tries to use his cannon to gun balls through windows that aren't there. That Chiefs game is the extent of his positive NFL track record. He's not as slow as Bernie Kosar, but he might be the slowest guy on the team.
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