DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Tip of my hat to Mr. Jackson ...

I saw an analogy on here earlier earlier that I think fits .. You can't win a NASCAR Race in a Volkswagen. I don't care how much work you do on that little engine, how much you play with the suspension, you are not going to win at Daytona. The car may have some good points, but it is not going to win, no matter how good the pit crew and mechanics are. You can paint a # 4 on it and put Kevin Harvick in it, but it still will not win a race.

The Browns of the past two years are VWs compared to the rest of the NFL. Wins did not fit with the car.

True, but you can lead a lap or two when everyone else pits...

This analogy actually proves my point.

No one was expecting the Browns to win the race (a super bowl). Teams like Buffalo and Arizona are this year's "Volkswagens" and they've already won a game, buffalo won 2 games actually. So why couldn't the Browns win more than 1 in two years?

Thank you.

Oh yes... I recall how adamant you were that we screwed up the Terrelle Pryor deal... You were obviously wrong about that...

The Eagles won a super bowl with a "GM" who also was a lawyer who started out as a "salary cap guru." So you were wrong about that as well...

And we have established a billion times that Sashi wasn't the talent evaluator, his role was that of "tie-breaker."

We knew Sashi didn't rule with an iron fist and that he was easy to work with and didn't let his ego get in the way. But someone had to go and that someone wasn't a "football guy." This is really pretty cut and dry.

Shocked it took 3 pages before the thread was ruined ... thats progress around here ...

Sashi was the SINGLE DUMBEST HIRE in the HISTORY OF SPORTS ...

The FACT u can’t admit that is all u really need to know ...

Look at what the man and HIS TEAM did to the QB room last year ... that in and of itself shows the LACK OF FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE/KNOWLEDGE on that mgmt. team ...

Have fun sticking up for the WORST FO EVER ...

PS. This wasn’t Sashi’s fault it was the THIEFS and DEE’S FAULT ,,, there the BAFOONS that HATCHED THE IDEA ...

I like this. Hue is the Volkswagon.

So the rest of you think "the team" is the Volkswagon.

...

Some of us think Hue is the Volkswagon. Great Analogy.

And the Nascar race is the Super Bowl.

Keep PUSHIN dawgs ... keep PUSHIN ...

LOVE that message for these young pups ...

KEEP PUSHIN DAWGS ....

Your buddy has a knack for ruining threads. I believe I said it was going to happen.

I don't agree with much of your post. You continue, like many, to call things facts when they're not.

I don't even think Sashi is top 10 "dumbest hires in the history of sports" and maybe not even top 100.

As stated, it was Hue who was in charge of the QB room. The FACT u can't admit that is all u really need to know ...

I'm not sure Sashi was apart of the worst FO ever considering MANY of them are still here. Just doesn't fit your agenda.

It fascinates me, also, how many times people want to bring up Sashi Brown. He's been gone for almost a year (seems like several) but I guess some of you just can't let it go...

Your PS comment is about the only thing I can agree with and that is Haslam is at the root of the issues. That is for sure... feel free to read The Athletic. Very enlightening.

And congrats in derailing this thread.

.... i take such pride in derailing a Hue thread ... ...

Let me know when Sashi gets hired to run a personal department again ...

I believe that would be

Game, set and MATCH

Good nite now!!!!!!!

And one last thing ... all that really matters .. to me anyhow ...

High five or hug for tomorrow .... your call ...

LETS GOOOOOOoooooooooooo ....

Here’s to a W tomorrow brother ...

Your Sashi comments are not really relevant to a Hue thread.

But since you're so knowledgeable, I would enjoy knowing where Sashi is and see the proof that he is actively pursuing a job in an NFL personnel department.

I would guess you can't so I believe that would be game, set, MATCH as you so eloquently put it.

See you in the next thread you and your cronies choose to derail.

No doubt dawg

I think Sashi had a good plan. I just don't think he had the ability to carry it out because he lacks the experience of evaluating players. I also think he tore the team down too far but in the end I don't think it would have benefited us. By making us so bad we got top picks in the draft. I'm willing to bet that was on purpose even if no one admits it.

I think the real problem came through when Sashi showed he couldn't relate and recruit top tier talents. Players just don't relate to him. Hue kept asking for a decent QB and Sashi kept giving him garbage to work with. THAT is why he got fired.

His trades and ideas on how to reorganize were actually quite good. Dorsey coming in when he did just works out perfectly for us. I just think of it as a perfect storm. I am thrilled we landed Dorsey as our GM but I don't have any real animosity towards Sashi because I think he did some good for us even if the wins didn't come.

Ah, the pecking order deal. You do realize that a GM and HC are supposed to work together, right? That they make a plan for the future together, right?

Now we finally have a HC and GM who work together on a plan for the future and you want to turn that into a power struggle and Hue having a diminished role. Why am I not surprised? lmao

By dogging a HC with a .500 record?

I am not trying to create anything. Hue is the head coach. He decides who plays on Sunday.

Sachi was terrible drafting. Actually I think he had terrible football advisers, and his lack of knowledge in that area was what doomed him.


But all in all, I think he did a good job. Always protected his people, never threw anyone under the bus, and after all the ugly things he was credited, he just took the high road.


He did rebuild the OL and replaced a perennial pro-bowl LT, and drafted a pass-rusher... So not all things were bad,IMHO.

Dorsey on the other hand, has been a very good surprise to me, and I'm starting to like the guy....

With who?

I think he got confused as to who acquired Harrison. That's just my guess.

Yeah, that must be.

Yes, it's impossible to think that the GM and HC can have a long term plan for a rookie QB.

I agree with Vers on this one and i’d be shocked if u weren’t in the same camp as well ..

I think Hue and Dorsey are working real well together ... this is all pure speculation on my part .. its just the sense i get and the feel i get from what i see and hear ...

I said from day 1 Sashi and Hue wouldn’t work ... all i heard was how well they got along ... well i said abouta month before the bye week meltdown that there were cracks in the armor that showed all might not be so well in Berea ... like at the presser they asked hue a question about maybe Haden or someone or something and He responded “ypu’ll have to ask the FO about that decision” ...

There were a few other signs and i posted 2 or 3 weeks before the bye that things may not be as they seem ... was told they were working great together again ... then the truth came out during the bye week and the rest is history ...

My point is .... I GET THE EXACT OPPOSITE FEELING with Dorsey and Hue ... I really think there on the same page even when they disagree they understand each other’s viewpoints and RESPECT them even when Hue don’t get what he wants ...

I think Dorsey likes Hue and wants him to succeed ... again thats just me “reading the tea leaves” ...

I agree.

That's pretty much what I've been saying. Some seem to wish to act as though you can't have that kind of cohesion. That the GM and HC can't have a long term plan when a rookie QB is drafted to sit him and let him grow from the bench.

They seem to think that a HC should cause division by making a call to start the rookie going against the long term plan of the team. And if he doesn't, he deserves some kind blame for it.

I don't understand any of that but that seems to be the case here.

It seems that sitting Mahomes was a plan that's worked out well in Kansas City for Dorsey and signing Taylor was a clear indication of the plan.

Some people just want to play the blame game here and set up the skapegoat.

I agree w/this post, too.

Funny, I agree as well. I think Dorsey and Hue are working as a team. I wasn't sure how it was going to work in the early stages, but they both seem to be on the same page.

Sashi Brown did more good for this team than bad.

It was Brown who fell on his sword and stopped the trade for McCarron which ended up dodging a big bullet for us.

Rumors leading up to 2016 draft said that Sashi Brown wanted to take Mitchel Trubisky with the 1st overall pick

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sashi+brown+wanted+trubisky

He was over ruled by Haslam because Williams and Jackson wanted Garret. It caused a power struggle of sorts that ended with Sashi Brown nixing the trade for McCarron and ultimately being pushed out of Berea.

I said in 2016, and i'll say it now...Yes, Garret is a good player, but we should have taken Trubisky at #1 overall. Have you seen Trubisky numbers this year?

The kid has 105.6 rating on the season right now. He has thrown for 1200 yards with a 70% completion rate and 11 Td to 4 ints and nearly 8 yards per pass attempt...those are franchise Qb types of numbers in a very tough NFL central division, not to mention he went toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers and held his own.

I had Trubisky rated higher then Mayfield coming out of the draft, and your seeing this year in Chicago why I wanted him over Garret or Mayfield this year and the proof is in his play. The Bears knew Trubisky was a better prospect then any of the Qb coming out of 2018 draft which is why they traded up so quickly to get him, they couldn't believe we passed on him...Sashi Brown knew this too, but he was over ruled by Haslam thanks to the backstabbing whining Jackson.

Trubisky is a significantly better prospect than Mayfield. He has Mayfields mobility, he is taller then Mayfield, throws a better ball. Trubisky is a young Aaron Rodgers type of QB, he will take Chicago to the Super Bowl and in the not so distant future, and he is an Ohio kid to boot...sad thing is he wanted to come here, Cleveland was his 1st choice. The Former Mr. Ohio wanted to turn things around here, but he will be winning his Lombardi in Chicago...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3039707/mitchell-trubisky

Mayfield may work out to be an above average QB in this league for us, but Trubisky will be on the Aaron Rodgers elite level guy, he is almost there now. If you don't think so you really need to watch him play, the kid not only looks the part and has got "it" but he shows with his play why he has "it"

In many ways i kinda wish we had kept Brown and got rid of Jackson. Year 3 was always going to be the year Sashi truly started to "rebuild the roster" that was clear with the way he was stockpiling picks. It took two years to tear the roster down to the studs, and i think this year would have been the year.

Had Sashi Brown had his way, Mitchell Trubisky would be our QB, and Barkley would be our RB right now and we would have gone into FA with all that money and he would have begun bringing in talent and picking solid guys in the draft...year 3 was always the plan, but as always us Browns fans are never patient.

John Dorsey really didn't do anything great, he walked into a stock pile of picks and money left by Sashi and starting doing what Brown was going to do in year 3 anyways...only different is Dorsey got rid of both our DT that were in the Top 8 in Run D by PFF and now we can't stop the run to save our lives...pretty brilliant move.

Oh well, thats all over now best we can do is root for Mayfield and Dorsey and hope it all works out for us. We have no other choice at this point anyways.

I agree as well. However, Alex Smith is not = TT.

The Eagles intended to have Wentz sit...but he was demonstrably better than Bradford. Everyone knew it and could see it.

The Bears intended to have Trubisky sit...but he was demonstrably better than Glennon. Everyone knew it and could see it.

The Cardinals intended to have Rosen sit...but he was demonstrably better than Bradford. Everyone knew it and could see it.

The Browns intended to have Mayfield sit...well...you know.

Hue went away from "The Plan" and switched the starting LT between pre-season game #4 and the Opener. It was the correct move.

The HC, GM and "The Plan" do not have to agree on EVERYTHING in order to build up a team.

This is such a bad take... I can't believe anyone outside of you truly believes this.

moving on...

I would rather have Mayfield instead of Trubisky.

Same

Why would anyone say that at this point of time....

I don't like either, but Trubisky is much further along the way than Baker, that reason alone would be enough, but

His physical attributes are better
His stats are better

It's difficult to have an honest discussion about Hue around here... but here goes....


I agree also that they are working together.


And just a few points...

I believe Dorsey believes he knows how to build a team.

Dorsey did say anything less than a division title this year is unacceptable.

I don't think Dorsey is the Ray Farmer type, I don't think he will text down to the field and tell Hue to put certain players in... I think he lets his coaches coach.



Does it not bother you guys at all that Hue says every week we need to get better. Does it bother you when Hue says we need to get so-and-so more touches, only we never do.... Do those things bother you?


This was from rotoworld:




I mean what are your honest thoughts on that?



Also, we lost quite a few WR so far this season, but guys like Duke and Devalve are not getting any additional touches. We know what Duke can do. He's been an offensive weapon for us in the past. Devalve has great hands and is another big body for Baker to utilize.

I mean what are your thoughts on why they aren't being used? Have they lost a step? Are they really not that good? Do they not fit into what Hue and Haley want to do? And if they don't, why didn't Hue make that known to Dorsey so we could get someone in here who does and not waste money on a guy who isn't going to play?

I mean if Hue is doing a great job and I should "tip my hat to Mr. Jackson" and give him all the credit for our wins, I would love to know your thoughts on these things...

Because it's true.


Trubisky is further along at this point because he's a second year player... I would fully expect Baker to be a much better NFL quarterback in his second year.

I don't think Trubisky's physical attributes are better.

I also just looked at the stats... in their first 3 starts, meh, neither one has great stats, but the Bears won a game when Trubisky only completed 4 passes for 107 yards and the team only had 5 first downs all game.

Trubisky threw for 300+ for the first time in his 10th start. Baker did it in his 2nd. Trubisky started 12 games and threw 7 TDs and 7 Ints. Baker threw 3 starts has thrown 4 TDs and 5 Ints....

I know it's not obvious...but it is.

Sashi’s job was to find a QB... He said it to the media, and he failed miserably. That is why he is gone.

Psssst

Hue Jackson said the same thing.

People will say this, but I simply don't agree...

There's actually another post somewhere around here where it was said that Sashi wanted to draft Trubisky and was overruled by Hue and Haslam.

We may never know the story of Sashi Brown, but there will always be plenty of theories.