DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum 5 Reasons for the turn around

1. John Dorsey
2. Baker
3. Ward
4. Hyde
5. Randall

These new additions are the biggest difference makers from last year.
JMHO

1. Dorsey
2. His decision to not decimate it all.
3.Solid draft/FA analysis (for the most part)
4.Mayfield
5.Team unity (Drive to win. A result of 4, 3 & 1?)

1. Sashi left us in a good position for..
2. John Dorsey's FA decisions and smart drafting choices.. ie.. Mayfield and Ward, bringing on veterans like Landry that change a locker room.
3. Separating Hue from the HC and OC positions
4. Players buying into the system, and Haslam not meddling
5. Pure luck.. ie.. Desmond Harrison turning into a competent LT

John Dorsey is obviously the biggest reason IMO ... he led the way to FA/Trades/Draft picks

Wolf Highsmith Dorsey Mayfield.
but the turnaround as yet to be seen.
its still very early in the season

Who hired Dorsey? Time to stop $#!%ing all over ownership, (not saying you are, BADdog, speaking in general.) Without ownership commitment to turning this abysmal program around, we're still the same ol' Browns. You may not like him, you may not agree with his business practices, and you may not like how long it took to get it right, but he stayed with it and kept bringing in people until he found a winning combination. Without the Haslams, there's no Dorsey, no Baker, no Randall, no Ward, no Harrison, no Haley, no GW, no Hue, no Garrett, and so on. Give the Haslams their due.

WORST OWNERSHIP IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS ...

The dumbest all time idea in the history of sports ...

The worst 3 year run in the history of professional sports ... serioulsy ... find a worse 3 year run than 4 - 44 ... thats one W every12 games ... and the last two years are worse ... 1 win every 32 games ... u would think it would be IMPOSSIBLE to be that bad ....

We’ve gone through FO’s and coaches like toilet paper ...

He OWNS last years bye week fiasco ... ANOTHER ALL TIME OWNERSHIP LOW ...

FO personal texting coaches plays during games ....

U wanna give him credit for where were at today ... thats your call ... IMO he backed into it ... if sashi found a qb or doesnt stop the McCaron trade ... none of this happens ...

I won’t ever forget or quit posting about what he put us through and the UTTER DEPTHS OF HIS FAILURES .... historically bad ... in any sport .... sheesh ...

4 - 44 would equal out to 8 - 88 .... 12 - 132 ... thats 144 ... 18 more games ... so thats 13 - 142 ... we’ll end it on a 7 game winning streak that would make them 20 - 142 ...

Like i said ... HISTORICALLY BAD ...

I’ve always said i’d Rather be lucky than good ...

Diam
1. Luck

I agree 100% It's gonna take another year or two before this novel concept is widely accepted.

Yeah, okay. Post reminds me of the teacher on Charlie Brown. "Wah-wah. Wah-wah-wah." Sorta makes your "reason's for optimism" seems like utter foolishness. Yeah, we have all these great things happening, all these reasons for optimism, but none of it has anything to do with ownership. Right... I know you're much smarter than that. I get you don't like him. I get why you don't agree with his business practices, but come on man, this first time owner turned this $#!% hole around in six years. Give credit where credit is due.

To quote you from another thread:

U care to dispute anything i said? ...

I won’t be holding my breath ... ...

Just curious .... cause i think we got lucky and fell into Dorsey means my OPTIMISM is somehow fake .... i didn’t realize if i didnt give the thief credit for getting lucky i couldnt be OPTMISTIC about the TALENT HERE ...

Guess i’m not very smart after all ...

Feel free to give him all the credit u want ... i won’t call u stupid for it ... i’ll Just disagree with it ...

I’m just THRILLED WERE HERE .... not getting down in the muck over who gets credit ... feel free to pass it around to who ever u want ... i’ll Do the same ....

LETS GOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo ....

The beginning of this list is tough for me, as it brings about the timeless chicken/egg problem.

I think that BM is the biggest reason for the turnaround, as it was his attitude and play on the field that brought us here.....but would we even have BM if we didn't have Dorsey?

So, idk, 1&2 could prob be interchangeable.

1. Mayfield
2. Dorsey
3. Haley
4. Ward
5. Landry

Afterthought...4&5 could prob be interchangeable too...

Built = lucked into ...... in your world ....

Got it ...

lol, yeah, he just got lucky. That is the most ridiculous, oblivious gem I've ever seen posted on this board, and there have been many, many gems.

I'm somewhere in between Diam and Cal.

I think Jimmy Haslam made a ton of terrible decisions. I think he listened to the dumb ass fans and media way too often. I think he was guilty of some dirty deeds.

On the other hand, I think the emergence of Dee Haslam has brought some common sense to the organization. I also think that the Haslams listened to people like Parcells and Ron Wolf when the crap went down last year. I think they did a great job of hiring Dorsey and retaining Hue.

Thus, while ownership was the cause of many of the team's past problems, they also deserve credit for the recent improvement.

I don't think that is "luck." I think it is learning from one's mistakes.

I don't dispute that Haslam made a myriad of mistakes or may have practiced shady business practices, but the idea he just "lucked" into the current situation is simply ludicrous. When discussing reasons for the turnaround, ownership can't be ignored, laughed off, minimized, or dismissed, no matter how much some may not like it.

Cal, I thought I said he didn't "luck" into it? Didn't I?

Yes, I was making the point I agreed Haslam has made mistakes, that I wasn't disputing that, but the notion in general he lucked into it was ludicrous, not that you thought he had.

Another thing: getting Gregg Williams, and keeping him after a winless season, thereby having a a defence that can grow in the same scheme. Continuity is important, as we've sadly learned since Haslam took over.

I think the addition of Randall and Ward to the secondary has been a HUGE thing for our team

Part of my #4. was Haslam not meddling. I think he listened to the right people this time.. ie.. The Wolfs and he got Dorsey. So far Dorsey has been on the money. We could have kept Flash, but you know what? JD got rid of a distraction. The focus is improving and winning with a solid core.

My #5 was Pure luck. I believe that. Harrison is a UDFA.. that means everyone passed on him, and for some reason we took him. I'd love to know exactly what prompted JD to pick him up.

Let me add that I agree with Lampy about Williams. we have continuity in coordinator.

I think he's done a good job but im still not a fan of getting rid of Shelton and McCourty...both were cheap and could contribute..

I do wonder if McCourty could have contributed especially now that Mitchell is out

McCourty sucks ass. He is one of the major reasons we had to play our FS so deep last year.

I felt he was just okay. Looked up the yearly stats/grades


Brian Spoon
‏ @BrianSpoon

Top-5 @PFF graded #Browns on defense in 2017:

Myles Garrett - 88.4
Briean Boddy-Calhoun - 84.5
Jason McCourty - 83.9
Larry Ogunjobi - 82.0
Derrick Kindred - 82.0

PFF's defensive back grades have always confounded me. If a guy is out of the picture, it's like PFF doesn't give them a negative grade.

If you can't see the difference in our D because our corners are better, than I don't know what to tell you.

Jc

Yeah I think even Gaines is a improvement over Mccourty.
By a good bit.

1. Dorsey, for all the reasons said before.
1a. Sashi Brown for finally tanking us to #1 and loading us up on capital. If he only hit on the Coleman, Njoku or Peppers (still a chance for 2 of them!) pick he’d be legendary.

2. Haslam - as peeved as I was his first few years he clearly learned his lesson and went for a long term plan with the tanking and retaining one coach. 3 years. Finally someone had 3 years. How crazy is it how long we had to wait for that.

3. Baker - he reads coverages, he throws the ball. Simple but not easy. Again, insane how long we had to wait for this. On top of that he’s special.

4. Haley/Williams - coaches that call good plays. Once again, shocking how long we had to wait for this. We had Shanahan briefly, other than that not much.

5. Tyrod Taylor - classy. Appreciative. Mentor. Positive influence in locker room. Even now after being benched due to injury he calmed Duke down about getting touches. A+ character guy. (Honorable mention to Drew Stanton for being Baker’s player coach)

McCourty does not suck ass...you are getting him mixed up with Jamaar Taylor. The Pats don't start players that suck ass.

yep two of our weakest positions solidified.

j/c

Just a comment on how much the Haslams have to do with the success. There is no way you can legitimately say that the Haslams aren't responsible for where we are. They do the hiring and sign the paychecks. So in the end, whether by luck or skill it's their doing, period.

But I have a theory about that. It's only been a very short while it seems since Dee has been a major factor in the ownership process. I mean she may have been a part of it all along but from what we've seen her part has increased greatly just recently.

So the question becomes was it Dee who had the most influence in "listening to the right people and making the right decisions" or was it Jimmy? I think given Jimmy Halsams track record the argument could be made that Dee may have been the overwhelming influence that led to where we are now.

I said that weeks ago. I'm not saying it's factual, but it's certainly plausible his wife stepped in and more or less said 'Jimmy, I love you, but you suck as an owner. I'm driving the train now'.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on this board and thats a fertile field.

Five reasons for the (potential) turnaround?

To me it's rather simple.

1. Haslem realizing that listening to other NFL owners (once he took over as owner) was a failed proposition and they were trolling him from Day 1. And that hiring Joe Banner was a bad favor to accept.

2. Haslem realizing that hiring & firing people every year deters smart people in the NFL world and in other industries from taking a position with your organization.

3. Understanding #2, it was time to start over from scratch and bring on people that understood the value of draft picks and could purge the team of old ass players while accepting losing for awhile.

4. Draft picks, draft picks, and more draft picks.

5. A Franchise QB.....possibly Baker Mayfield. If so, then John Dorsey gets the praise and rightfully so.

You can't read the board that much.


Jesus, I was exaggerating to make a point. I do think it's possible Dee might have used a woman's subtle - sometimes not so much - power of persuasion to smarten him up, make him realize he'd been a failure as an NFL owner and might want to change his direction.

Have you ever been married?

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Yeah, Dee having a much larger role in the organization and the turnaround happening almost simultaneously is nothing more than a total coincidence. Anyone suggesting otherwise is outrageous. lol

Ya pit ... in our situation it took a REAL ROCKET SCIENTIST to hire Dorsey .... what a GENUIS DEE is .... ...

We have NO CLUE IF or WHEN her role expanded ... NONE ... she may have been heavily involved from day 1 ... we have NO CLUE ... all we know is when she was sent out to do PR cause her husbands a MORON ....

TIMING, BLIND LUCK and Sashi having no clue how important a QB and veteran leadership our to a football team is how we ended up here ...

ALL THE DOTS LEAD TO THAT LOGICAL CONCLUSION .... every single last one of them ...

Or is your theory Dee is an evil genius and orchestrated the entire bye week fiasco so we could get rid of Sashi ... ....