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Dawgs4Life #1530423 10/15/18 08:17 PM
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Was thinking the same thing actually .. we need to do some of this stuff
Other teams make it look SO easy (like the play action to Graham was pitch and catch)

When I watch us it's a different game


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Was thinking the same thing actually .. we need to do some of this stuff
Other teams make it look SO easy (like the play action to Graham was pitch and catch)

When I watch us it's a different game


Green Bay has Aaron Rodgers. We have Baker Mayfield. It's stupid to compare them.

I do think we need to incorporate some things to offset Baker's weaknesses, but I disagree w/you that our coaches are dumber than theirs.

In fact, I think McCarthy is one of the dumber coaches in the NFL.

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I am all about the 49ers right now.


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Wow! What a route by Goodwin. I'm telling you from someone who played and coached...............that was a terrific move!!!!

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Kyle Shanahan was our best OC that I can remember ... I love how he keeps teams off balance and uses zone run attack/misdirection in the passing game


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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And now I see them have the inside toss sweeps that they run .. and I remember us doing it succesfully too


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I think play calling and design is overrated in the NFL, but a few guys stand out.

Kyle Shannahan is a guy I wasn't too enthused about us hiring, but damn, his schemes were awesome. His use of the route tree was superb.

Andy Reid is a good schemer. Especially early in the year. However, his teams choke late.

McVie for the Rams looks pretty good. I haven't watched the Rams enough to say for sure.

Gase in Miami has some really good designs.

Y'all won't like this one, but Hue was highly regarded for his schemes and designs.

Truth be told, some are better than others, but the main thing is having the talent to execute your schemes and calls.

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I agree about McVay .. also think Gase, Nagy, and Pederson have shown good stuff early


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Man, not sure about Nagy.

I think he blew that game yesterday. Dude refused to allow Trub to throw on that last drive. Settled for a FG that was round 50 yards. He also made a huge blunder two weeks ago.

If Hue would have pulled either stunt, y'all would be lynching him. Hell, y'all complain about things that aren't even issues.

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Rodgers just got sacked on a naked bootleg. That is the danger of such plays. You have your qb rolling to the part of the field w/out protection. If an edge rusher is coming from the outside, you could be toast.

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Packers defense sure could’ve used Demarius Randall tonight.

Thankfully they traded him to us. Oh well.


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This Bethard kid for SF is playing a nice game. He's pretty gritty.

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Aaron Rodgers is the best QB I’ve ever seen.

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They should have kicked the FG. With them having good field position now a TD would have put them up.

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I just keep laughing about how good Rodgers is, then I wonder about the prior 58 minutes...

It was a great comback.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I agree about McVay .. also think Gase, Nagy, and Pederson have shown good stuff early


McVay and Nagy are 1 and 2 imo

If we had fired Hue last year, Nagy was who I wanted.

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If Hue would have pulled either stunt, y'all would be lynching him. Hell, y'all complain about things that aren't even issues.
y'all? I'm not one who has a pitchfork after Hue. I'm very open minded when it comes to him as our coach.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Aaron Rodgers is INCREDIBLE. That performance the last few minutes was Houdini-esque ... and he made it look so effortless


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Aaron Rodgers is INCREDIBLE. That performance the last few minutes was Houdini-esque ... and he made it look so effortless


With a little help from the refs at the end of the game. That flag they threw on Sherman for illegal contact was ridiculous.


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Aaron Rodgers is INCREDIBLE. That performance the last few minutes was Houdini-esque ... and he made it look so effortless


With a little help from the refs at the end of the game. That flag they threw on Sherman for illegal contact was ridiculous.


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Legit call in my opinion, clearly Sherman grabs Adams as he peels back - can't help you if you cannot see that.

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Echo.

Yes a rookie quarterback who didn't play with the ones till TT went down.

We have a star free agent receiver, Higgins( who got injured), Callaway who is not only a rookie but didn't play last year, Willies ( who got injured), now Ratley, and we just signed Perriman. In addition we are looking at others.

So the whole passing offensive is dependent upon players who have not played together. Under a OC who is new to the team.

So expectations need to be curbed a little. It takes many many reps to develop the chemistry between quarterback and receivers. We have not had that and you can not snap your fingers and make it so.
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Rodgers. The guy blows my mind. He makes pro football and the quarterback position look sooo easy.

Play is there, make it. Not there, dump it. Go right, check, go left, check. Throw accurately from any position. If necessary and it's open, run for it. When guys are open; the ball is right there. He scans the field with xray vision. He anticipates open like nobody I have seen. Takes sacks when you have to. Protect the ball and himself.

He makes throws off any platform, moving in any direction and puts the ball right where it has to be.

It all seems so easy and it is not.
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I feel for Haley. Hard to know what you can actually do with a group until they show you.

I expect problems until experience is gained.

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So the whole passing offensive is dependent upon players who have not played together. Under a OC who is new to the team.


That is certainly an issue, but a bigger issue is the guys on the field not catching catchable balls.


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Drops by receivers make me crazy.

Like relief pitchers who can't throw strikes or kickers missing extra points.

It is frustrating.


But Haley needs time to figure out what this offense can do.

Quarterbacks and receivers need a lot of reps and game experience together. That chemistry and coordination takes time.


I believe Baker will get it going but we need to be patient.

Next year should be a vast improvement with Dorsey bringing in players and this year's experience.

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Originally Posted By: bonefish
Drops by receivers make me crazy.

Like relief pitchers who can't throw strikes or kickers missing extra points.

It is frustrating.


But Haley needs time to figure out what this offense can do.

Quarterbacks and receivers need a lot of reps and game experience together. That chemistry and coordination takes time.


I believe Baker will get it going but we need to be patient.

Next year should be a vast improvement with Dorsey bringing in players and this year's experience.


Interesting because last year apparently the problem was with the rookie QB....

But I think BM will rebound on the next 4 games, if he does not then we are in trouble.

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When did "OTHER GAMES" become about our game.

But regarding Kizer vs. now Mayfield...Drops on throws put right on the numbers is different then Drops on throws behind the WR a tad too high or a throw at the knees where the WR gets the hand on the ball but the trow was POORLY THROWN in the placement.
There is no bias here as you claim. Drops right on the numbers is a BAD DROP and a bad thing for the team. A drop where the throw is poor and the WR has to stop their momentum to get a hand on the ball and statistically is a drop...Two different animals.

Why have you become such a troll. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt but there is no sense in a lot of your posting. come on rastanplan...have an opinion and discuss it but don't troll the board.

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Baker is not a problem other than just being a rookie.

But when you look at quarterbacks in the same offense with receivers that have been there over some time you witness coordination. Like Ben with Brown.

The Browns have a new offensive coordinator. A star free agent receiver. A rookie QB. Callaway a guy not only a rookie but didn't even play last year. Higgins, now injured. Willies, now injured. Ratley, a rookie. Perriman, just signed.

Baker didn't even get reps with the first string until TT went down.

So kind of hard to expect miracles from a passing offense that has had so little time together and is so inexperienced.

There has to be growing pains.

So it would be important to establish an ability to run the ball and let the passing game develop.

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Originally Posted By: eotab
When did "OTHER GAMES" become about our game.

But regarding Kizer vs. now Mayfield...Drops on throws put right on the numbers is different then Drops on throws behind the WR a tad too high or a throw at the knees where the WR gets the hand on the ball but the trow was POORLY THROWN in the placement.
There is no bias here as you claim. Drops right on the numbers is a BAD DROP and a bad thing for the team. A drop where the throw is poor and the WR has to stop their momentum to get a hand on the ball and statistically is a drop...Two different animals.

Why have you become such a troll. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt but there is no sense in a lot of your posting. come on rastanplan...have an opinion and discuss it but don't troll the board.

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YADA YADA YADA, in conclusion when its your guy, its the other player problem, when you don't like a QB, then it's a QB problem.

I'm not jumping on Baker like I never did on Kizer, I try to understand the situation, but please don't try to spin things around.

Baker has to increase the completion % by at least 10%.
Baker has to have a much better TD/Int ratio.
Baker has to perform much better outside the pocket.

In the end its about production, so stop the excuses. If Baker can't do it alone, the coaching staff has to find other ways to help the kid,something you never understood about Kizer.

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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Baker is not a problem other than just being a rookie.

But when you look at quarterbacks in the same offense with receivers that have been there over some time you witness coordination. Like Ben with Brown.

The Browns have a new offensive coordinator. A star free agent receiver. A rookie QB. Callaway a guy not only a rookie but didn't even play last year. Higgins, now injured. Willies, now injured. Ratley, a rookie. Perriman, just signed.

Baker didn't even get reps with the first string until TT went down.

So kind of hard to expect miracles from a passing offense that has had so little time together and is so inexperienced.

There has to be growing pains.

So it would be important to establish an ability to run the ball and let the passing game develop.


Baker isn't the problem, Baker's fundamentalists are... When he they started criticizing and blaming TT for the losses, and didn't see the guy gave the team a chance to win.

Next 4 games and we will see... I think Haley is going to deliver.

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When did "OTHER GAMES" become about our game.

But regarding Kizer vs. now Mayfield...Drops on throws put right on the numbers is different then Drops on throws behind the WR a tad too high or a throw at the knees where the WR gets the hand on the ball but the trow was POORLY THROWN in the placement.
There is no bias here as you claim. Drops right on the numbers is a BAD DROP and a bad thing for the team. A drop where the throw is poor and the WR has to stop their momentum to get a hand on the ball and statistically is a drop...Two different animals.

Why have you become such a troll. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt but there is no sense in a lot of your posting. come on rastanplan...have an opinion and discuss it but don't troll the board.

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YADA YADA YADA, in conclusion when its your guy, its the other player problem, when you don't like a QB, then it's a QB problem.

I'm not jumping on Baker like I never did on Kizer, I try to understand the situation, but please don't try to spin things around.

Baker has to increase the completion % by at least 10%.
Baker has to have a much better TD/Int ratio.
Baker has to perform much better outside the pocket.

In the end its about production, so stop the excuses. If Baker can't do it alone, the coaching staff has to find other ways to help the kid,something you never understood about Kizer.


Ahh the yada yada defense...in other words you don't have a clue and have to debate with yada yada. No it has nothing to do with my guy...READ MY POST nahh its all yada yada to you so it don't count. gloves off...lol laugh

Very simple english - there are throws that are not on target and yet the NFL will stat it as a drop. There are throws that are right on the money and in the Hands of the WR and they are dropped.

Kizer...INACCURATE THROWS and a good portion of the drops were of the nature that were behind the WR and they got a hand on it or they stopped their momentum and had to reach way too high or too low. While the drops from Bakers couple of games were right on the money...it has nothing to do with my guy or YOUR GUY...My guy happens to be a very accurate thrower and a Franchise QB...Your guy is just very inaccurate and well SUCKS...lol laugh

Yada yada...to your next post...it don't count cause I put the Yada yada claim on it... crazy


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Kizer was never my guy, my guy was Deshaun Watson and Rosen this year. But I always thought Kizer was an intriguing prospect,considering his attributes and the situation he had in ND.

Also think Kizer was rushed, specially considering that his main problem was in his head, that is IMHO why Kizer was so inaccurate.

What I think its strange is someone saying a QB with a 53.6% is inaccurate and another with 55.6% is an accurate passer, for me they are both inaccurate.

I'm not comparing Kizer to BM, although I was much more comfortable picking Kizer where we did than picking Baker first...

Give the guys time, that means not crowning them after half of a good game nor bash them after some bad games.

And IMHO drops are drops... that's the stat. Yes many passes were good and its the receiver fault, but many other times there are impossible catches.... You should never take one stat alone to access a player.

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For me most all Prospects are Intriguing especially to a franchise needing talent. I only said Kizer was your guy cause you were defending him and comparing him to Mayfield and you used the term Your Guy as opposed to "Your Guy"

You bring a Swiss Knife to a Gunfight.


someone saying a QB with a 53.6% is inaccurate and another with 55.6% is an accurate passer, for me they are both inaccurate.


1. 55 will always be HIGHER than 53.

2. Unfortunately that is all you posses, the knowledge of STATS...me I actually go on FOOTBALL.

3. For me Accuracy is not defined by a STAT % that is good for those who don't possess knowledge about football you know, like yourself...lol laugh
Me Accuracy is a pass that hits the WR in the hands right in stride. Meanwhile the inaccurate passer will throw the pass off target where the Receiver must stop and make the catch getting no YAC, Statistically both show a completed pass. Football wise one pass is highly accurate the other is not! GET IT, of course you do cause you are not a dumb guy. But here is where the troll part comes in. You will still pretend that Football Accuracy does not exist and that it all comes to numbers which still Mayfield is ahead in that department anyway.

Just like Drops...there are passes thrown hard at the knees of a WR and he gets his hands on it as he had to stop running and it drops. Where the other QB hits said WR IN STRIDE right in the hands as in a PERFECT throw and its dropped. You just see a Drop for both QBs, I see a drop with an accurate throw and a drop with an Inaccurate throw.

SO YOU CALL IT STRANGE that I actually view Accuracy not with a Number but with the TAPE!

Come on man...get a new troll subject you ain't going to come close to victory on this one. NEXT!!!


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