DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Trade RB Carlos Hyde to Jacksonville.

It's not a tank move IMO, but it's not a smart one, for reasons I already elaborated upon.

I certainly hope Chubbs is going to be better in pass protection than he has been.

I'd rate Hyde well above a dime a dozen RB - but I agree with the rest of your post mostly. But Chubb is an unknown, and he's a rookie. Is he going to hit the wall around game 12 like most do?

I love Duke - but he can't carry the rock 25 times a game if Chubb falters. As I said - risk/reward - I don't see the value in trading away quality depth and leadership for a 5th round pick.

Then maybe you should try to not present your statement as fact...

If it was up to Vers, this would be a bogus comment and not a fact. The fact you the word "may", makes me think this is your opinion....and I agree, it could be where this is headed.

Go away. I can't help it you can't read with comprehension.

Actually, you did not say "I think..." Here is what you said that some of objected to:



Once again, can you please stop w/turning every damn thread into a Bash Hue thread?

This reminds me of so many other threads, such as the Livinston article that was about if "Hue was the HC in name only." Do y'all know how dumb you looked after Hard Knocks came out?

Stop! Please.

I think he's above average. I liked the work he did in his six-game career as a Brown.

Big, ran with toughness.

He used the word "may." That is completely different from your post.

Correct.

peen is the same guy who was going on about how "weak" Hue was in the episode where Hue found out he lost his mother and was back on the field 1 hour later.

That's the kind of guy peen is.

No I don’t think I will. You’re making stuff up, and are acting like a child when called out on it.

Lmao you are definitely mad. Most definitely a Bucknut.

Most of us are happy that the running game is moving out of the 70's.

She's in Atlanta.

The Ohio State argument is lame.

No doubt, I am a bad guy.



I said my wife watched hard knocks and said she felt that Hue was a weak man. She said she didn't like the man. I value her opinion.


I am not bashing Hue at all.......you'll know it when I do, if I do.


I do admire how you stick up for the guy. The guy is a loser but you stick by his side.

I know, don't state that as a fact.....but hey, it is a fact.




Just don't lose 10 games. I have said that many times. The tie helps Hue. My number is 10 losses. We can't lose 10 games. That isn't unfair.

See, this is what guys like you do.

This is not a "Hue" thread, but somehow, you turn it into one.

Like I said earlier, this board is dumb.

Peen certainly doesn't need me defending him but he damn sure has the right to comment on him. Winning 3 games in 38 tries is indefensible.

I will just say it this way...

I don't like seeing the Browns trade away starters during the middle of the season. Injuries happen, and you need depth more than draft choices.

The move does nothing to address the real issue, which is at WR. As far as I am concerned this was a big gift to Jacksonville. The fifth rounder is laughable...

I get that, but he--and others--do it on every freaking thread.

There is a Hue thread.

This is a trading of Carlos Hyde thread. There is absolutely NO evidence that Dorsey traded Hyde to spite Hue. ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact, since Hue said "we need to get Chubb more carries," the opposite is probably true. I am not stating that as a fact. I used the word "probably," which signifies it as an opinion.

One more thing..............I really, really have no use for people who wish for other people to lose their jobs. I mean........that's low.

And it isn't "football talk." It's freaking gossip. Weak and lame.

It was great after we beat the Rats because most of the haters retreated and didn't say a word. We lost last week and they pounced out of their holes again. This team is better, but the negative banter surrounding it this week has been a real downer.

It's shameful!

5th n save 13 mil vs 3.4 ypa and spending 15 mil

And if Baker gets hurt because Chubb makes a block that is similar to his effort on the whiffed block when we got a punt blocked?

How much do we save then?

That is a HUGE assumption. You can say that about anybody on any team that was ever traded.
Matter of fact it was Hue that said he wanted to give Duke and Chubb more carries not Dorsey.
Sure is weird how things take a life of it's own around here.
I liked Hyde to and for me I wouldn't trade him either but I or any of us know what the plan is.
Why do we assume it's a power move. Dorsey is in line with his HC on this move if you wanna go by factual evidence. Not the opposite for sure.

It's Chubb time and that's what we need to rally around.

Sorry Vers.
I didn't read all the replies before I posted mine. You said about the same thing.
You and me are on the same lines.

Solid post, but it will be met w/deaf ears by some.

Btw----------did you notice how many good posters were posting when we won and they disappeared after we lost because of all the BS negativity around here?

I'm not blaming the good posters. I just think they get sick of all this stupid bickering and negativity.

I'm glad you said it, bro!

I hate to see Hyde go but I am glad that Duke will get more opportunities and really excited about seeing more of Chubb ...

I agree 110%

Thanks for being on topic.

I liked Hyde. He was running hard and made something out of nothing as the lead back when teams were expecting the run.

Chubb? I will take a wait and see approach. I don't like bashing the coaches and FO over players too much because they seem them way more than we do. I'm Captain Obvious. LOL

--Duke? I like him. I don't think he should get a ton of touches like some do. No way do I see him as a feature back. I think Hue used him well and I predicted that Haley wouldn't use him as much. Hell, if anything...........I wonder if Hue and Dorsey talked about this trade because Haley wasn't using Chubb and Duke much? I kinda doubt that, but it's more likely than the unlikely proposition that guys like Memphis and peen were throwing out there.

--Again, I am not freaking out over this trade, but I would have liked to have acquired a WR instead of a 5th round pick.

the timing of this trade is curious.
I wonder if Duke Johnson demanded a trade behind the scenes
the front office valued him over Hyde thus moving Hyde ASAP.
I feel the Browns did not get fair value.
like Vers said I would have wanted Cole or Westbrook in return.
for a team struggling to score.....they just traded their best
TD producer.
Duke Johnson is not going to score many TDs this season.
hes not a TD machine.
Hyde is a more powerful back and matched up better vs the other AFC North teams.
maybe Chubb can be that 20.to 25 carry guy cause Duke is a light weight.

While this trade does not equate to tanking the season it will hurt the team. Hyde ran hard. Chubb is more explosive but always attempts to make the big play even when not there. That is why he loses yardage on so many of his carries. The defenses in this league are good and some plays getting a 2 to 3 yard gain vs bouncing it outside and losing 2 to 3 yards will hurt this team in the long run. Chubb will learn that in time.

If the team wanted to play Chubb and Duke more then play Chubb and Duke more. Why lose the depth? What happens now if Chubb or Duke get hurt?

The Patriots. All the time.

Sure hope Chubb is ready to pass block. I haven’t seen him do well at it much but I don’t see practices so maybe he’s greatly improved. Crossing fingers. He can run so no worries there.

I suspect Dorsey and Hue were on the same page here.. if anyone wasn’t it would be Haley but no real evidence of that as far as I know. This will allow Duke and Chubb to get much more touches. Let’s see how they do.

Just don’t get Baker hurt with poor pass protection is all I ask so Chubb better be ready.

The Gordon trade was dumb and this one is too.

I liked hyde, he ran hard and I felt that gave us some attitude

I agree with vers, I'd rather have the jags 5th receiver than their 5th round draft pick if we were going to trade him.

I wonder if they talked to hyde about a decrease in workload and he wasn't happy about it.

I think this signals the end of tyrod's stay in cleveland. I wouldn't be surprised id he gets traded in the next couple of weeks.

The Jaguars could use him too.

My first thought was the Bills

Hyde has been guilty of the same ... Just the same applied to him also.

I don't like Hyde. He is mediocre at best but his services at back up were worth more than a 5th on a team with a poor passing game.

We already have a severely depleted WR corps due to injury. Now we are 1 injury away at HB from facing total disaster and our HBs are far more likely to get hurt with defenses game planning for it since they know we have no one to throw it to.

As a residual effect of the trade ... I think that now we can get DeValve into the game plan ... Letting Charles be more of a designated FB.