DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Trade RB Carlos Hyde to Jacksonville.

Supposedsedly Jacksonville approached us about a deal.

Hyde will play today, per reports

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Jacksonville's newly-acquired RB Carlos Hyde is inactive today vs. Houston.

Sadly, I have to agree. The Haslams are awful owners. They have owned the team for enough years now to establish a valid track record. And that track record is absolute suck.

While I think Hue is a typically very mediocre NFL head coach, at this point I don't think it much matters whether Hue is the head coach or not. So long as the Haslams are pulling the strings, the suck will continue.

Meanwhile, nobody has offered up a good explanation to my Carlos Hyde question.

If the Browns Powers-That-Be wanted more touches for Chubb and Duke, why not just order subordinate coach Todd Haley to run more plays with Chubb and Duke? Why did Hyde have to be traded to get more work for other running backs?

[quoteIf the Browns Powers-That-Be wanted more touches for Chubb and Duke, why not just order subordinate coach Todd Haley to run more plays with Chubb and Duke? Why did Hyde have to be traded to get more work for other running backs? ][/quote]


You guys state this as if it is fact. I see it as a chance to get something for a player that you were going to move at the end of the year. The conspiracies that are concocted on this site are incredible.

Chubb and Duke, with Hilliard as the third is a pretty good rotation.

In theory, we have yet to see if Chubb can handle the workload. He's only had 3 touches a game.

Alternative theory - And I am not saying this is what happened but what if Haley (or Haley and Dorsey) wanted to play Chubb and Duke more but Hue told Haley to play Hyde?

Guys, I'm not advocating for conspiracy theories here.

I am just confused and don't understand. Why is it so hard to get more reps for Chubb and Duke? Just do it. Just call the play.

Everybody on the coaching staff said that Chubb and Duke needed more touches, but nobody ever did anything to make it happen.

Why such a huge discrepancy between coaching rhetoric and coaching playcall decisions?

I don't see why Hyde had to be traded away to get more touches for Chubb and Duke. I consider THAT to be the conspiracy theory here, and it doesn't make any sense to me at all.

We have no coverage in the middle of the field

Don't take my post as criticizing yours. Just using it as a stepping stone for mine. Though I must admit, I do like a good conspiracy theory. I was just offering up another possibility that had not yet been mentioned.

Well, given some of the bat-turd crazy stuff we Browns fans have seen these past few years, I totally understand the proclivity for conspiracy theories among us.

All too often, with the Browns, the really crazy does indeed happen.

Punt

To all you naysayers, we didn't miss Hyde.

We didn't miss him, but we might if one of our RBs gets hurt.

I will say that Chubb had a nice game. He has a burst that Hyde does not have.

Chubb will be just fine ... but we need more than that

This defense does some dumb stuff. The flags killed us. Get the offense on board more.

Our secondary just watches a lot of stuff.

We will if Chubb goes down with an injury. My problem with the trade is the fact we finally had some depth at a position and we aren't hurting for cap space so why trade the guy for a 5th rnd pick.

That's what I was thinking...and everything you hear (Hyde) was his teammates loved him here and he was a good leader the few months he spent here. I mean He's no AP, he is not elite...Hey may not be in the very good category...But at minimum he's a good back.

We have our RB of the future Chubb looked good again today ...

There is no scenario that makes sense here. No matter how anyone spins things, it makes more sense to keep Hyde on the bench than get rid of him for a nearly worthless draft pick, even if he is unhappy arrangement. The Browns are going to continue to pay and take a cap hit for Hyde for the next three years.

Jacksonville inherited his contract once they obtained him, which I'm sure they will keep him as Fournette is always injured and Yeldon will be a FA this spring

I agree .. we really didn't look like we missed Hyde much. Granted, we must hope Chubb stays healthy

I could be wrong, but I believe that Jacksonville will only take on the non-gauranteed money against their cap and like most contracts these days, roughly half is gauranteed.

Signing him at all wass questionable.

Interesting note:

Nick Chubb currently has 20 fewer carries this season than Carlos Hyde, yet has almost exactly 200 yards MORE.


Chubb - 3 games started, 94 att, 579 yds, 5 TD

Hyde - 5 games started, 114 att, 382 yds, 5 TD



They both have 6 receptions, but Chubb leads in yardage (48 to 29) and TDs (1-0).

In another thread someone posted a comparison of Chubb's stats to Saquon Barkley's. Almost identical in yards and TDs. Chubb higher yards per carry. And Chubb had limited action at first.

I saw that.

"Generational Talent", lol

I'm not upset we traded Carlos but I am glad we signed him even Chubb said he learned a lot from Hyde ...

i get the generational talent point....but saquon barkley is still at this point beyond better than Chubb.

the rushing stats, sure they're comparable.

but whats not comparable? Barkley has 58 catches 497 yards, with a 8.6 average, 41 first downs, and 2 TD's.

that puts him at over 1000 total yards and 9 total TD's....midway through the season.

lets not get ahead of ourselves here. chubb had a great game, lets be happy with that.

also, Barkley plays tonight, so the stat comparison is incomplete until tonight anyway.

I will take Chubb and be happy, if we would have picked Barkley we would not have one of either Ward or Baker ... So We Have Baker Ward and Chubb thats better than Barkley

im happy with chubb and johnson as well, for sure.

just putting everything into context.

I see what you're saying, but Chubb has 6 TD's and nearly 650 yards total while not getting any more than 3 touches in a single game until the last four weeks (he had 3 touches and one target in the Balt game).

Yes, Barkley's numbers are better.... but not dramatically so in any way once you apply some context.

To your point, YES, it is WAY too small of a sample size to really take away anything concrete, BUT the early returns are seriously promising and I sincerely question the assertion that Barkley is better much less "beyond better". He is simply being used more.


Also, Chubb is the only rusher in the NFL to have three or more rushing TD's of 40+ yards this season, and also the longest rushing TD in the league this year.

i understand.

i think year 2 when chubb gets to be the guy at the jump, we can really make a good side by side comparison.

Man .. its fun watching U and Swish debate here ...

What a FUN “argument” for a change .. is our rookie RB as good or near as good as the best RB to come out of college in DECADES .... and i had questions about Bark coming out .... DUDE CAN FLAT OUT BALL ... so can Chubb ...

This is much more fun to watch being discussed than why did we pass on Julio for KW or us debating who we should take at #1 next year by now ...

MUCH MUCH MORE FUN ...

It is a really fun problem to have!

I'm planning to watch Barkley closely tonight. I haven't really seen much of him at all, so far, but there is one thing I've noticed about Chubb that I don't recall ever really seeing much, ever, and that is how he has an extra gear and how if he is able to hit any sort of open field and get into that gear, it's done. You're not catching him. We've seen it three times now, and I think we'll see it at least once or twice more before the season is up..... we just need to get him to that second level with some space to work, then watch him GO.

Your gonna enjoy it ... hes a lot of fun .. man ... hes good ...

I had questions about him coming out ... didnt know if he could run in the middle cause he just broke everything outside in college and there isn’t near as much green grass in the nfl ...

Well ... he’s proven to be all that and a bag of chips ... i was right in that there isn’t as much green grass in the nfl and so he wouldn’t take as many to the house ... well theres not as much green grass but turns out he don’t need much ... *LOL* ..

Your gonna enjoy watching him tonight ... hes sanderesque type quick with the start and stop ... he doesn’t have quite the ankles Barry did .. but dude can make right and left turns on a dime ... *L* ... very unique the things he can do ...

Not comparing him to Barry .. there different .. just haven’t seen the “ankles” on a RB like that since Barry .. kinda like MG and his Gumby thing ... VERY VERY RARE ...

And the best part is as good as Bark is ... WE DON’T GOTTA BE JEALOUS ...

My new tag line fits well here dawg ...

Have Fun and Enjoy ...

At 230# he not only has that extra gear, but is shifty, elusive and can cut on a dime. That's pretty much the complete package for a RB.

Some seemed concerned about his injury. And in all fairness it was a severe injury. But from watching him play, it appeared to me that the further removed he was from his injury, the closer he became to the RB he once was. I'm glad my eyes weren't fooling me and that he's now all that he ever was and maybe even more so.