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so sorry, what a horrible loss.

I like you. You’re always a pleasant read as you post with so much poise and class.

Thank you.

thanks mom

Also, Zeitler had a really poor game, at least from my eyes

Another thing: their WR fumbled and they didn't overturn it. Next play they get a td.

He caught it, set both feet and made a football play before he coughed it up.

forgot about this one ... my opinion: it was a fumble.

Same thing happened in the Dallas game, reviewed and called as catch and fumble.

you have to remember since week 2..the offense has had a overhaul at WR QB and RB per se.
out is Gordon Taylor and Hyde in is Mayfield Chubb Landry.
so Haley is stiĺl trying to figure what he has
and how to use them.
the Browns are lacking great to elite playmakers on offense.
they are lacking difference makers

Exact same play happened in the Dallas game, called a fumble, recovered by the WR. Play was reviewed and upheld. Refs are either criminally fraudulent or stupidly incompetent. Either way the entire NFL Officiating organization should be fired, sued, investigated and possibly prosecuted.

No clear recovery though.

Yes, it was recovered by us, reviewed, and upheld as an incomplete pass, even though it was a clear catch, punched out by the defender.

The Browns are lacking dicipline. Talent without dicipline is useless! If you like it or not no dicipline is a coaching issue.

I'd like a link to that if you have it.

Must be hard to be the only defender of Hue left.

You are dead wrong about Hue but you refuse to believe it and hide behind "no one is interested in football talk" because you cannot defend it.

Let me ask, this guy is an offensive wizard, supposedly. Why is he just now going into the offensive room to help? He has made it clear that this is a Greg Williams defense....so what is he doing?

Certainly he isnt helping or stressing the players play smart, because they dont. Hes not helping them learn how to finish, because they dont.

You dont go 11-41 in your NFL career as a head coach by accident. His excuses left when he threw Sashi under the bus. And the team is still miserably underperforming.

Dont know why I wasted my time with this, though. You wont give me an honest answer because you cannot defend Hue.

I felt it was. 97 cradled it IMO

It's about time to put the eggs to the pan for Hue. 3 years, bud. If you can't cook after 3 years, after have been given the first 2 years free...........when the heck you gonna do the egg?

All Hue's fault this year? Absolutely not. Maybe some Haley fault.

But, Hue's been here for 2 1/2 years. When, vers, does the lack of wins fall on him?

Sorry I can’t seem to post a link. It is on the Browns website.

I still got Hue’s back...

Ya’all are frustrated after yet another tough loss ... Hue’s the lightning rod and the scapegoat ...

Dang, this one was tough ... real tough ...

I believe an incomplete pass was the correct call. He did not complete a "football move" prior to losing possession of the ball...

Simply put, I disagree with you.

He caught the ball, he planted both feet, and he made a move.

this is what I saw too ... it was close

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s...art_river_index


A miffed Hue Jackson doesn't rule out taking the playcalling back from Todd Haley
Updated 8:04 PM; Posted 7:13 PM

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

TAMPA, Fla. -- Coach Hue Jackson was furious about the Browns' offensive performance during Sunday's 26-23 overtime loss to the Bucs, and didn't rule out taking the playcalling back from offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

Is he concerned about butting heads with his strong-willed OC?

"It's not going to be about butting heads,'' said Jackson. "I'm the head coach of the football team. I will do what I feel I need to do to get this team where it needs to be.''

Pressed further on that issue, he reiterated, "I'm the head coach of the football team, period. Period. There's nothing else that needs to be said. Nothing. I'm the head coach of the football team.''

Asked what that might look like next time out, which is Sunday in Haley's old stomping ground in Pittsburgh, he said, "I don't know. I haven't thought through that part of that yet. I'll figure that out as I move forward.''

He was asked if Haley his playcaller.

"Yeah, he's the playcaller,'' he said. "Trust me when I say I'm not trying to create any issue here, but I think if the offense is not playing well, and we haven't over a period of time, being a head coach and an offensive guy who's done this, I think I have every right as a head coach to jump in and see if I can help and assist and get this thing to where I think it needs to be, because we need to be better on offense. And if that's my specialty, then I need to be involved more and I will be.''


He confirmed that Haley's called all the plays so far this season, but he made no promises that will continue. Haley was the Steelers' offensive coordinator for the previous six seasons.

"Yeah, I mean, I've been respectful,'' said Jackson. "That's why you bring guys in and you make them the coordinator. Again, there are some things we've got to fix fast to get this thing back to where it needs to be.''

He's tired of watching the offense sputter week after week, especially with Baker Mayfield at quarterback.

"I feel like I have to (get more involved). And I want to,'' said Jackson. "That's what I know, so I'm not going to continue to watch something that I know how to do keep being that way. That's just the truth. I mean, that's nothing against anybody in our building. I just think that's what I do, and I think I need to be a little bit more involved."

The Browns' offense failed to score a first-half point against a Bucs defense that was horrible in the first half all season, surrendering 125 points. The Bucs had also allowed TDs on 15 of 16 trips inside the red zone, and the Browns couldn't score when handed the ball at the Bucs 19 following one of the defense's four takeaways. The offense is last in the NFL this season in converting takeaways, and the Browns' D just keeps producing them. The four-turnover game pushed their league-high total to 20.



The Browns also went three-and-out twice in OT, and converted only one of the four takeaways into points.

"I've got to figure that out,'' said Jackson. "I've got to figure that out. I've totally got to figure that out. I've got to jump in head first, all hands, feet, everything and go figure that out. It's just that simple.''

The Browns have thrown only seven TD passes this season, which is near the bottom of the league. Against the Bucs, they converted 3-of-14 third downs. In the first half, they were outgained 243 yards to 74.

Jackson said he was involved in going for it on fourth and 2 at the end of the half instead of kicking a field goal "because I needed to jumpstart our offense. You're in fourth and 2, I thought we had a good play call. And we did. It's unfortunate. Baker is running for it and made it, and the guy stripped the ball out and the ball goes backwards. Normally it doesn't happen that way where the ball goes backwards. The ball normally goes forward. Could've kicked a field goal, no question, but I thought our offense needed something to feel good about in the first half. We did not play well.''

He indicated he may have had something to do with the second-half improvement, in which the Browns scored 21 points.

"We made some adjustments,'' he said. "I think our guys started making some plays. I think the protection was a little better. Baker's getting hit way too much. We have to figure that out. He's getting hit way too much. Ball came out a little quicker. He did run around and make some plays. But we've got to find a way to get this offense up and going in the first half.''


The Browns already forced Haley to use Nick Chubb and Duke Johnson more by trading away his workhorse back Carlos Hyde. Chubb responded with 80 yards on 18 carries and scored on a 1-yard run. It could be the first of major changes coming on offense.

Not the least of which is Jackson getting way more involved, and possibly even taking back the playcalling.

Another one that is kind of funny in hindsight is the Calloway PI. He was begging the official in the end zone to call it. And the official was taking a great amount of joy in telling him no. Only to have another official call it. The official in the end zone probably didn't know who Calloway was so he felt it wasn't a big deal.

I saw him mouth, pawn to queens rook 4, sounds like a move to me.

Yes it was a fumble, at least as far as this fan is concerned.

This is why for me it’s time for him to go. It’s not like he magically became a bad HC here. He always has been. But no coach survives what he has here. So why are we allowing it when we’ve fired coaches with much better success with arguably worst talent

Yeah I said at the time that ref should be fired. That was his call to make and he totally blew it. Reminds me of the ref in the longest yard, should have drilled him in the nuts a few times

But he never completed a football move...

I'm just not a fan of so much talk in post game pressers ... really, nothing good can come of it. The media can twist stuff, you can get emotional, etc.

I'm not smart enough to know what the solutions are, but I just want our offense to be better.

It wasn't just that he blew the call though. It was how much satisfaction he was getting in emphatically telling Calloway no, even though he was wrong and got overruled by his teammate.

JMO, but that doesn't bode well for the future.

Daryl Ruiter
‏Verified account @RuiterWrongFAN
20m20 minutes ago

Hearing rumblings this evening #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam & GM John Dorsey are less than pleased with the current state of affairs..... stay tuned.

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I do to for now. The penalties do concern me as well as the apparent shots he takes at Haley every week in the media/ press conferences. This is a young team, and their will be growing pains obviously. The sucky part is after the Jets game I saw the schedule and said to myself the next four games are winnable......we won one of the,....ugggh.

I just think it’s unfair to talk about firing a guy midway through a season without seeing if he can improve in deficiencies. I will wait to seasons end and look at the team, the record and see if I’ve still got his back. I hope Haslem gives him that same courtesy

Yep, it was obvious he took joy in making the blatant wrong call

Thanks.

There are issues in Cleveland apparently.

LA's "Straight Talk" Burner Account
‏ @TheRealLA__

In this case, I believe ordering a Code Red is warranted

J Reid
‏ @JReidNFL
1h1 hour ago

J Reid Retweeted Benjamin Allbright

There will be plenty of interested candidates. Very intriguing job.

You think Lane is talking about Hue getting canned? I took it to mean with all the infighting in the coaching staff the season could spiral downward

yeah because he's basically commenting on Daryl Ruiter's comments about Dorsey/Haslam angry and it being a code red