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I'll add to this: Hue just seems to be oblivious to what's around him. He's oblivious to how others see it when a leader constantly deflects blame.

He had no idea how ridiculous he sounded when he used to go on about how he's done with the whole personal wins thing, and now it's about organizational wins.

The front office obviously doesn't think much of his decision-making. Hue is an offensive minded coach and wasn't ever involved much in the defense or special teams. Ok, fine. But he even turned over the offense to Haley! How many head coaches are there that aren't officially involved in any of the three phases of the game?

Of course, it didn't stop him from naming Taylor the QB, much to Haley's chagrin when it was obvious to Haley (and became obvious to the rest of us about 2 throws into the Jets game) that Mayfield gave us the best chance to win.

It didn't stop Hue from trying to move our prototypical left guard to left tackle, thereby weakening two positions at once. He kind of got let off the hook by Harrison coming through but moving Bitonio to left tackle was simply idiotic.

What was that quote from the special teams coach.. we play who we are told to play and we keep our mouths shut? Something to that effect.. was that about Peppers being the returner? My memory is slipping on that one.

Basically what I see is a generally good coaching staff but one that constantly has to do damage control from Hue going around mucking everything up.

In a few years (maybe even a few months), we're going to look back on this unfortunate stretch in Browns history and wonder how the heck anybody continued taking up for the guy well into his third year.

By the way, the Haslams blew it by bringing this guy back. Jackson is done. Could be next week, could be during the bye week, could be at the end of the season. We're still unorganized, undisciplined, it's obvious we are regressing, and an ESPN panel just voted the guy as the 118th best coach in the 4 major sports out of 118 coaches.

The thing is, with coaching changes there is always going to be some amount of upheaval, coaches want to use their own schemes with their own guys, etc. Why did we bring this guy back?! It was a bad risk to take with Baker and the other young guys' development. It's possible we could bring back one or even both coordinators but it usually doesn't work out like that.

Please! You, and a few others scour the internet to post negative articles about Hue and never post anything about how the team has improved.

I'm at the point of even caring. Fire his ass. Give the masses what they want.

We'll see how much the team improves w/out Hue.

I'm so sick of the Merry-Go-Round of Misery and the BS agendas of posters like you.

In all fairness Vers, no one has to scour the internet for that stuff. Allbright is a big time follow and the Hue talk will be the talk of the week because the results aren't there. Losing sucks, everyone is frustrated.

There was a time where we were winning like 4-5 games every year. That was bad. Win 9 games in 2 seasons and your winning percentage is .281.

Hue's is .089. I'll take my chances on a new coach. We might actually be able to get someone decent in here-- there's a plethora of young talent, we're still in good cap space, Dorsey has found some real gems with the Chiefs and Browns, and the Haslams are now erring on the side of being too patient with the coaching.

If we get shalacked by the Steelers, that will probably be it for Hue, unless they can't come up with a good interim plan.

If you'd like to see what celebrating someone who got fired looks like, I can go drum up your posts after Sashi got fired.

I wonder what the interim plan would be. Logic would seem to point toward Haley, even if that side of the ball has had its struggles. I think the deck is stacked against Williams given his connection to Bountygate.

Any dark horse candidates that I'm forgetting?

I'm not calling for Hue to be fired during the season, by the way. I don't think that really solves anything, though if it happens, so be it.

I read this board every day, Rish. Memphis constantly bashes Hue.

Fire Hue's ass. Great.

We'll magically improve because of it.

Guys who don't know squat about football somehow know more than our coaches do. Pfffttttt.....

Whatever...........I'm out.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Sashi is gone and guys like Memphis are still fighting that stupid ass battle.


Btw-------when Sashi was here, I had a sig that said "Stay the Course. No More Firings."

Vers, I love man, but Hue sucks. We needed to get 3 points at the half.



As it played out, it would have won us the game.



You know it. A dumb decision.

I'm not sure firing him during the season is the smart thing to do either. And I don't like an interim plan with either Haley or Williams. I think they've both been underwhelming. There really is no good interim plan.

But if they lose big against the Steelers, what do you do? The players don't play up to their potential and look demoralized. It will be 8 more games of people barely tuning in and players going through the motions. Baker's magic through the first two weeks has worn off. Tough position to be in.

One thing I've noticed that is a big problem with all the losing is that guys lose confidence and stop developing. You have to find a way to win even when guys are just getting their feet wet. Case in point is Trubisky. Including his 6 TD game (yes, including that game), that team was protecting the hell out of him because he's just not very good. But they kept finding a way to win despite that. So no one is making any rash decisions and he can kind of take a deep breath and continue learning on the job without the black cloud hanging over his head.

Last week people were calling Mayfield's play "horrific". It was so far from horrific. The guy made a handful of throws that maybe only 10 QBs in the league make. He had plenty of bad to go along with that, but there was also plenty of good. But the losing just amplifies the bad.

So if the organization feels there is an interim plan that might spark the team, it might make sense to do it. I just don't see one.

at 6` 190 he might not be the qb sneak guy. maybe a rpo guy

Normally teams have continuity because they have good coaches, the team is winning, and things are generally going well. Of course you want continuity then.

Continuity in the face of bad leadership, unforced errors, the most penalties in the league, and coming up with ever more inventive ways to lose games is not so good.

I know, there are some examples of teams staying the course with a bad team (most of these are from before the free-agency era, where it was legitimately more difficult to level the playing field in terms of talent) and being rewarded mightily for it. But there's a reason why you always hear about Chuck Noll and perhaps a couple others in this respect.. they are cherry picked exceptions.

This is the NFL. The draft is rigged to give the worst teams the best picks, you have things like the salary cap, waiver wire priority order, preferential scheduling (4th place teams matched up with 4th place teams the following year), etc. When a team is bad every year, it is because of incompetence.

Did anyone see the Rams turning into this juggernaut after going 4-12 (and I think 32nd ranked offense) in the 2016 season with Jeff Fisher? I'm not even down on Jeff Fisher as a coach. It's just that they went from average to (maybe jumping the gun on this one) revolutionary with Sean McVay.

Coaching matters.

Interesting thoughts and good points here.

I guess we'll see what happens. I am a bit demoralized after the loss today, which is probably why I'm ranting about Hue a bit on here (I don't enjoy doing this, really).

It wouldn't surprise me if some of the players and coaches feel the same way. I don't see a great interim plan either, unfortunately.

Daryl Ruiter
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Hearing rumblings this evening #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam & GM John Dorsey are less than pleased with the current state of affairs..... stay tuned.

#WorkingWellTogether

One other thing I want to mention regarding Hue …

Right or wrong, there's been a lot to complain about. But I'm really surprised no one is talking about this. When Garrett came out this week against the refs and said "someone's got to do it", I applauded him. But it shouldn't have been him. It should have been Hue. He should take the fine and tell the officials to stick it up their you know what.

I thought Garrett's actions were a huge indictment on Hue.

Apparently, the game ball to Dorsey could only curry so much favor.

Who gets the interim tag if Jackson gets the axe? Surely not Todd Haley. I say give it to Bob Wylie and let comedy ensue.

haha I think we should give it to Amos

That’s so special

I never understood the use of "agenda" when talking about Hue being fired as if this is a petition site that actually will be used as an aid in firing the HC.

We stopped the "merry-go-round of misey" for 3-35-1 and you you're happy with that. I'm tired of the misery.

The masses want to win and you want Hue. I don't care who the head coach is; I don't care who any of the players are; I just want to WIN!

The new head coach of the Cleveland Browns, Mr. Todd Haley.

Link?

Not good.

There is no link because it hasn’t happened....yet.

And the vultures are circling ...

All of this information is relevant to what is going on today.

Did the Isle sink?

They were in purgatory the whole time. The island was never real. At least that's my interpretation.

Your little memes are snotty.

Correction: it's your Twitter quotes that are snotty.