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Hue mulling over taking the playcalling

Cant wait to see more flea flickers in our own end zone into triple coverage. . . . .

Nooooo...we'd be right back where we were last season. Might just as well give Haley his walking papers.

We have issues on offense, so far haley has had some questionable plays called and we come out sluggish every week. No doubt about it.

But in no way shape or form do I want hue calling plays again.

LOL remember RG3 and Hue's first game? that was a trainwreck offensively

The title is misleading. Each of the quotes I saw from Hue were about him "being more involved if need be..." The taking over the play calling stuff came from Mary Kay.

Its not just MK.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2802...from-todd-haley

https://flipboard.com/@BleacherReport/hue-jackson-hints-at-taking-over-browns-play-calling-duties-from-todd-haley/a-sg2A8mogQeuu1ZsdPSPJDg%3Aa%3A3199710-9208ef5709%2Fbleacherreport.com

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...k-play-calling/

I think personally, hue is frustrated and looking for a scapegoat. JMO.

The quotes are the same. I get that you want to make this more dramatic than it is, but again, the quotes are the same.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out ...

If it happens I wonder what Haley does ... he don’t seem like the type that would take that laying down ...

Dang ... 10 more yards after the TO in OT and all this could have been avoided ... DARN IT!!!!!

Doesn't matter what reporter says what.. It only matters if Hue said it.

Browns' Hue Jackson mulls play-calling responsibilities

By Herbie Teope
Around The NFL Writer
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ign=Twitter_atn

Hue Jackson's patience is apparently running thin after the Cleveland Browns' 26-23 overtime loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The head coach watched his offense struggle yet again with a slow start and consistency to the point where Jackson hasn't ruled out the possibility of taking over play-calling responsibilities from offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

"I feel like I have to and I want to," Jackson told reporters after the game, via the Browns' official website. "That's what I know, so I'm not going to continue to watch something that I know how to do keep being that way, and that's just the truth. I mean, that's nothing against anybody in our building. I just think that's what I do and I think I need to be a little bit more involved."

Sunday marked the fourth overtime game of the season that the Browns (2-4-1) have been involved in, and the team holds a 1-2-1 mark in those contests.

Week 7's game against the Buccaneers saw Jackson's team produce 305 yards of total offense and convert just 3-of-14 third-down attempts (21 percent).

The issues on Sunday are compounded when considering the Browns totaled 317 yards of offense and converted 6-of-16 third-down attempts in Week 6, and have lost the time of possession battle in two straight games resulting in a two-game losing streak.

"Trust me, I'm not trying to create any issue here," Jackson said. "But I think if the offense is not playing well and we haven't over a period of time, being a head coach and an offensive guy who's done this, I think I have every right as a head coach to jump in here and see if I can help, and assist, and get this thing to where I think it needs to because we need to be better on offense. And if that's my specialty, then I need to be involved more and I will be."

Jackson has experience calling plays, of course.

Before becoming the Browns' head coach in 2016, he served as an offensive coordinator at the college level and in the NFL, which included stints with the Washington Redskins, Atlanta Falcons, Oakland Raiders and Cincinnati Bengals. Jackson retained the play-calling duties in Cleveland the past two seasons before Haley joined the organization during the offseason.

Jackson will continue evaluating whether he needs to jump in on the offensive side, but he made it clear any decision rests solely in his corner.

"I'm the head coach of the football team, period. Period," Jackson said. "There's nothing else that needs to be said. Nothing. That's the way it works. I'm the head coach of the football team. That's it.

"It's not going to be about butting heads. I'm the head coach of the football team. I will do what I feel I need to do to get this team where it needs to be."

Whatever direction Jackson leans, the schedule won't be kind to the Browns ahead of their Week 11 bye.

The Browns face the Pittsburgh Steelers, Kansas City Chiefs and Atlanta Falcons in three straight weeks, so any required adjustments on offense need to be done quickly if the Browns hope to gain momentum.

Will you clarify your comments about how Haley takes this? I don't want to put words into your mouth.

Are you suggesting that you believe the reports that Hue is going to take over the play calling despite him never once saying that he would and that is why Haley wouldn't like it?

Or, are you suggesting Haley wouldn't like a little help?

I actually think Hue and Haley should work together on O. They both have bright minds. Working together should be better than either one of them working alone in regards to play calling.

One less special teams fumble and we'd have been alright too........

Just the way it goes

lol, ok. Yeah, im the one trying to make it more dramatic - when the AUTHORS of the articles are the ones writing it. All I did was post what the articles are headlined bro.

Fact 1 - I posted an article that has JAckson May take over playcalling

Fact 2 - you stated it was just MK saying that.

Fact 3 - I posted multiple articles taking the same line of thinking of MK did.

Fact 4 - you then say I am trying to make it more dramatic........when all I did was post the articles showing multiple media outlets are saying the same thing based on those comments......

Why do people feel the need to post the same exact quotes that were given in another article. Does that somehow make them more true? LOL

I should have known better to try and appeal to you logically. I was simply pointing out that Hue never said he was taking over the play calling.

Carry on.

I agree. I think this starts a power struggle and fracture - which I knew was going to happen eventually as soon as we hired Haley as he is a pretty hard nosed guy. I think this ends badly for the team.

Why do you feel the need to try discredit everyone that doesn't agree with you? Does that somehow make you right?

4. The situation in Cleveland now bears watching—after a very quiet flight home following the Browns’ heartbreaking loss to the Bucs. After the game, coach Hue Jackson said publicly he would consider taking play-calling back from offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who took the job on the condition that he’d have autonomy over that side of the ball. And how this affects Baker Mayfield is key, because his development is, of course, paramount not only to GM John Dorsey, but also to owner Jimmy Haslam.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/22/nfl-we...-eric-reid-mmqb

I do sense some (quite a bit now) tension between Haley and Hue ... I'm not sure where to go from here, but something must be resolved

Looks to me like the Interim HC in waiting....

Haley hasn’t been perfect but he has t been the playcaller on an 0-16 and 1-15 team. He’s more respected as an OC than Hue is in the league. Better HC record as well. So I think if push comes to shove it’s Hue that’s gone

real eyes realize real lies

If there not working together its a shame ... makes no sense ot me ...

I’ll be blunt .... as usual ... *L* ...

Haley’s an old school hard nosed take no BS kinda guy ... he’s also smart and knows Hue is no dummy ... witch alter ego wins out ...

He could quit is where i was going ...

I really hope all these guys are working together ... ALL of them ... Dorsey included ...

It would be a real disservice to all of us and the the thief .... but it wouldn’t be the first time egos of that size couldn’t fit in the room together ...

I really hope this works out bro ... i’m Starting to get a bad feeling about this dawg ... i hope this is all rumors and BS ...

If you have to keep telling everyone you’re the HC, you’re trying to convince yourself

I think you hit the nail on the head with one line ... which EGO wins out.

This is a pissing match.

I don’t think quitting will be something Haley will do, I think if he says he wants to, then dorsey will get rid of Hue. Haley is Dorsey’s pick. You can’t tell me he wasn’t brought here without the possibility of him ending up with the HC job

Are We Nearing the End of the Road for Hue Jackson and the Browns?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/22/hue-ja...impression=true

By CONOR ORR October 22, 2018

It was not Hue Jackson’s fault when his running back didn’t play well last year, and it wasn’t Hue Jackson’s fault when the Browns won one of their first 33 games with him as head coach. It wasn’t his fault when the starting quarterback who, according to the quarterbacks coach, was not ready to start and ended up not playing well.

Google Jackson’s name and throwing+under+the+bus, and a barrel full of results come back. As head coach of the Raiders, Jackson once said: “I’m pissed at my team. At some point, as a group of men, you can go into the game and, you can say whatever you want to about coaches, you win the game.”

On Sunday, after the Browns lost in overtime to the Buccaneers, Jackson said of his offense: “I’m not gonna continue to watch something I know how to do keep being that way. That’s just the truth. That’s nothing against anybody in our building, that’s just what I do and I need to be a little bit more involved.”

He added: “Being a head coach and an offensive guy who has done this, I feel like I have every right to jump in there and see if I can help. And assist. And see if I can get this thing where it needs to be. We need to be better on offense, and if that’s my specialty, I need to be involved more and I will be.”

This was, apparently, without irony. Here’s his record as an offensive specialist.

Perhaps he is lacking a moment of clarity with Will Hunting’s therapist. Maybe he truly has been incredibly unlucky throughout his career. Maybe we’re not giving him enough credit for the times he has come out and said that Cleveland’s woes are his own doing. Or, his past of earnestly taking responsibility is creeping up on him.

Late on Sunday a report emerged suggesting that Cleveland’s ownership was not happy with “the current state of affairs.” While that is ominous enough, it’s interesting to wonder how general manager John Dorsey views the hands that his very talented and very young roster is in. Tossing Baker Mayfield, Denzel Ward and the rest of their nucleolus through a mid-season coaching change would be catastrophic. But would it be any more damaging than subjecting a No. 1 draft pick to an offensive tug-of-war between two established play-callers who are both confident in their expertise?

Dorsey’s pragmatism is well known, and the Browns have gone to great lengths to establish themselves as a functional organization this offseason through free agency, the draft and Hard Knocks. That being said, the elongated hiring window worked wonders for Jeffrey Lurie, who was able to learn a lot about his players and the talent pool before hiring Doug Pederson.

If nothing else, it would give the Browns a substantial amount of time to figure out who’s fault everything really was.

Despite the numerous articles that are being posted, you do realize that each of those articles are using the same quotes, right? That they came from the same press conference, right?

You do realize that Hue never once said that he was "taking over the playcalling," right?

I'm not saying he won't, but his comments did not sound that way to me. I kept reading that he won't rule out "being more involved."

Other than ammunition for the overly dramatic who want Hue fired, I'm not seeing as why those comments are such a big deal at this point in time. I don't get why having Hue more involved w/the offense is such a bad thing.

Hardnosed no BS guys don't quit.

Personally, I am not a fan of Haley - I think he is brash, egotisical, and a jerk. I also think he might be a borderline drunk. Personally, I think Hue is a great guy, that a lot of people like and is a good family man.

On the field, Haley is head above water a better coach and football mind than Hue. JMO.

This is all heading exactly where I figured it would head, to Haley being the HC after the bye.

+1 quoted for truth.

Ruiter was the one who reported it ... I wonder who gave it to him

I don't see us beating pitt in pitt

I don't see us beating KC

and I don't see us beating Atl.

going into the bye we could very well be 2-7-1.

I think hue is panicking a bit and thus why hes trying to throw haley under the bus - he knows the math does not favor him right now.

I think Hue putting that out there was a mistake, which lead to all of this. It does look a tossing under the bus. I think he and haley could have had this conversation in private and probably come to some sort of resolve. As it is now, I find that pretty hard to do.

Or maybe we are just allowing too much points on D at the start of the games....

Maybe Haley game plans involves wearing out the D... you know like real teams do..

Yup ... its why i’m curious to see how it plays out ... we have no clue whats going on at any level ...

I’ve only heard one 45 second clip and what was said there was a nothing ...

Are the thief and Dee really upset ... if so, why ... at what he said at his presser ... is there really dissent ... were they under the impression that Haley and hue were working together ...

Are Jimmy and Dee not upset at all and the presser was just Hue being emotional and thinking out loud after a loss ... is hue not involved in the o much now ... that would make NO SENSE to me ... was Hue just saying that he needs to be “more involved” ...

We have no clue and what he said at the presser and rumors about the thief and Dee being upset could just be BS and nothing to worry about ...

Who knows ...

All i know is if this is ver Hues performance this year thats BS and I’m gonna wonder why they even kept him in the first place ...

Real teams score while doing such. jmo

Can you elaborate on that a little?

Fire Haley.
If his O is this bad with full autonomy, what the hell use is he when he has full autonomy over everything?

PLUS, if your OC is going to deliberately sabotage offensive production to make the HC look bad, then he is only looking out for him and doesn't give a damn about the TEAM.

Get his garbage out of Berea.