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Hue Jackson Named Worst Coach

I wonder if Haley is the culprit

To have someone to blame after you call a flea flicker out of your endzone?

a.k.a. author of article thought it would be cute if he edited the Wiki and then wrote an article about it.

VULTURES dawg ... VULTURES ...

I haven’t listened to it ... if what u say is true and i have no reason to believe its not .... its as simple as that ... VULTURES ....

Social media is AWESOME at creating a mountain out of a molehill ....

Could not have said it better myself .... this is all CONJURED UP BS cause Hue is so emotional and speaks form the heart after tough losses .... until yesterday i had been so PROUD of how he was handling things this year even after the faiders game and the refs robbed us ....

He says something innocently and then a member or two of the press make things up and then throw some stats out on social media incorporating the last two years into the mix and the snowball is on its way to becoming a landslide ...

Its SILLY SEASON in October ...

Brought side Mr, ooob ... were not fighting over draft position yet ....

Listening to the presser, the subject line....he shut that down, he is not taking over play calling.

I wish we weren't listening to Hue Jackson at another presser. Hopefully he will be gone after the Atlanta game. He brings NOTHING to this team. He is NOT an effective leader. Get rid of him and let's see what Haley has for the last 6 games of the season.

Gee, who could have seen that coming .... ...

BUT BUT BUT he was suppose to be fired by now ... what happenend to the avalanche fronm the snowball ...

Don’t worry vultures ... u may get the carcass u claim u don’t want but u certainly circle it for NO VALID REASON this time .... u just took his record and put a bunch of fluff spin and BS around it this time ...

Please thief ... don’t give the vultures there wish tonight or i’ll NEVER hear the end of it ... *L* ...

Thankfully, there are still a few voices of reason out there. Some of you are bringing up the point that I began with early in the thread.

I really hope that the Haslams and Dorsey don't listen to some of our fickle fans who continually think firing coaches is the way to build a better team.

The media is stirring the pot. We talked about them and the fans possibly derailing things way back in your Optimism thread. I hope that the Haslams have finally gotten it and don't fall prey to the vindictive fans and a media that is hell-bent on creating controversy.

Btw----we had several people over to watch the game and enjoy some eats and beverages yesterday. Only one of them was a Brown's fan. There were a lot of comments made, but not one of them was about coaching.

Hell, we can't even talk about the game on this board due to all the BS from certain posters. bonefish sent me a PM about the game and I'm going to respond to him shortly. Think about that? In order to discuss the actual game, we have to do it in PMs because that is how bad several posters have gotten.

Especially mid-season.

I mean, I don't see Haley or Williams as realistic candidates for our next head coaching position. I don't think many people here do.

So what good could possibly come of firing our coach mid-season?

I've always disliked that. I understood it with Sashi Brown and the hiring of John Dorsey.


But Coaches never get hired externally mid-season. I can't think of it ever happening.


Instead, it makes far more sense to me to evaluate the body of our work over the course of the entire season, at the end of the season, and then make a decision whether we keep our Head Coach, or make a switch to whomever it might be (some hot-name coordinator, an ex-head coach, or a college coach like Lincoln Riley or Nick Saban or whoever)

Correct.

Yesterday, Hue said he was considering taking over playcalling.

Today, Hue said he is not taking over playcalling.

Maybe Hue should practice discretion and not speak publicly of matters that are best handled in house? Maybe Hue should practice discretion and not publicly flop around on important issues?

One wonders why he hasn't learned this lesson after three and half years as a head coach.

Hue's been in the NFL for 18 years, and coaching over 30 years overall. He is who he is.

About the only redeeming quality I can see in the guy is that he seems to have pretty good interpersonal skills and bonds well with the players.

Beyond that, if you start looking at what he does analytically, you're going to drive yourself crazy. It's like he does things without thinking about them.

Hue's only mistake in this situation was being too open with the media.
As a HC the media is not your friend. Less is more. Look at one note monotone Bill.

This "playcalling" story is yet another example of media driven narratives and lack of credible sports media "reporting" its become more of a speculation business.


...With that being said I do believe there are areas for improvement in the offensive gameplan and philosophy that Hue can direct/mandate to Haley.


-Read-options need to be larger percentage of the offensive gameplan

-Continue to use movement with Baker

-Get Duke more touches, Duke is one of the better weapons on the team and should have a larger percentage of plays/concepts that make Duke a primary option.

-Continue force feeding Jarvis the rock like they did this week, keep targeting Jarvis as primary by design

-Continue to develop Njoku as a primary option in gameplan/play design

-Don't give up on Calloway, he only had 2 targets this game, rather let Calloway build his confidence by giving him easy targets: Tunnel/Bullet/Rocket screens, slants to help him get going again, when/if he becomes a vertical threat the offense is going to open up

Pretty sure he did not say "I will be taking over play calling" or any variation of that.

This is his quote.

"I think if the offense is not playing well, and we haven't over a period of time, being a head coach and an offensive guy who's done this, I think I have every right as a head coach to jump in and see if I can help and assist and get this thing to where I think it needs to be," Jackson said. "Because we need to be better on offense."



"Help assist" and "take over" are not even close to the same thing.

Marv Levy is the only one I can think of...

Oh hell no, isn't this bum fired already?

You are engaging in what is known as the Straw Man Logical Fallacy. You misstated what I said, and then you attacked your own misstatement while pretending that it was my original contention.

Unlike others on this board, I NEVER stated that Hue Jackson directly said he was taking over offensive playcalling.

I did say that Hue was considering taking over playcalling. Why did I say this? Because Hue Jackson said this.

Here is the link that contains ALL of the quotes about this matter from Sunday...
Hue Jackson: Buccaneers Postgame Press Conference

Advance the video to the 6:41 time stamp and watch all the way through to 7:47. Pick it back up at 8:37 and watch through to the end. These snippets of video contain the entirety of the questions and answers on Hue's comments about working on offensive coaching issues this coming week. There are NO quotes taken out of context and ALL the quotes are contained therein.

In responding to Mary Kay's question if he would take over playcalling duties, watch Hue at 6:57.

Hue stated: "I don't know. I haven't thought through that part of it yet. I'll figure that out as I move forward."

Sounds to me like Hue, when asked if he would take over playcalling duties, would give the idea some consideration but wasn't sure yet.

Hee hee hee. Good one.

Of course, I notice that when people misstate your positions that you defend yourself and rightfully so.

Am I not allowed to do the same without mockery?

Lighten up. It was meant to be humorous.

Btw---bonefish, Diam, and I have a private conversation going on about the game and the team if any of the guys who like to talk football want to join in w/out all of this petty stuff.

So, how would someone join your private conversation?

Just ask. But, we are just talking football. None of this "he said, she said" stuff.

I'm not sure if there is a limit on the number of people who can participate in one conversation or not? I seem to remember the number 6, but I could be off.

Hue now has to clarify his words because the media minced them.

There's an entire forum for discussing the game. https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/forums/115/1/gameday-vs-tampa-bay

This is one of the two active Hue threads.. let us rant about the coaching in peace.

So, don't ask to participate in our conversation. How are we hurting you?

Go have your private conversation. I don't care.

I posted in the gameday thread during the first half of the game but got so fed up and went to the gym for the second half. I actually caught most of the game there and at least there was some life and improvement. I don't know what else to say.. I was disgusted by the lack of preparation for a very winnable game. The Bucs were a team we could have crushed. It never should have came down to a 4th down play or a 59 yard field goal or whatever.

I do find it amusing how you start a controversy in every thread you enter, then complain when people don't talk about the thing you want to talk about. This thread isn't even off-topic.. it is a thread about Hue and has been since the beginning.

I'm glad I amuse you and I have your permission to speak w/others in a private message.

Anytime. All you have to do is ask.

I don't think Dorsey does this - as he proved with his picks in the draft in KC and Cleveland with his picks.

So, if Dorsey does chose to make a move - It will absolutely be with reason. And reports are, he is not happy with the way the team is right now. The reports were linked earlier in the thread, btw - no need to relink.

Social media? Browns fans! Making mountains out of a molehills since 1999

Hue should just answer questions in as few words as possible and walk out of the room. Yes, vultures. Probably not much different in other cities, but these hacks think they control the line of scrimmage with Hue... and he, too often, lets them do it. Answer the question as vaguely as possible and move on. Hue's problem is that he wears his heart on his sleeve and tries to be too fair with the media. Sunday he was mad, as he should be, and blew off some steam... But what did he say really?

Hue stated that it's his job to help with the offense because they are not living up to expectations. Did he say something inaccurate?

And AigSuckin with all of your video footnotes... You can cite all of the soundbytes any way you want to. Bottom line is he said, and the tone of the entire PC was, that he would help. HELP.

That what he has said about every shortcoming this season and that's what he has done.

Man, every week there's some mad rush to blame everything on Hue. I swear, if there was some rogue wind that blew a FG wide left, people would blame Hue for not having a degree in meteorology. One week he's a loser for not going on 4th down at his own 18, the next week he's a bum for going for it at the opponents 18. Unreal!

Beyond all of the over-reaction. There is something here, and it is, in fact, a bit of a rift between Hue and Todd. Not very smart for Hue to shine the spotlight directly on it for all to see, but he did. Now fix it.

There were a lot of links and most turned out to be BS. LOL

This thread is specifically about Hue Jackson and his comments, which made NATIONAL NEWS.

Yet you think we should not be allowed to speak of it, and keep trying to reiterate that we should not be speaking about a comment the HC (remember, hes the HC - he told us 5 times) made to the media.

If you don't want to participate, don't. But to come in here try to act as if this is not a topic worth discussing is rather elitist of you, as well as flat out condescending.

That's rich, take your own advice, sir. You bash anyone that disagrees with you and thinks Hue should be fired.

How are we hurting you? Don't participate then.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I understand this another Hue thread. I was just talking about the lack of football talk across the board and asking others if they wanted to join in a private conversation about football and not drama.

Your right, I am wrong - the Browns are perfectly content in losing 35 games out of 39 and tying another.

J/C

Hue was fired in Oak because of a power struggle.

Hue had a power struggle with Sashi (don't get me wrong, Sashi deserved to be fired, as did hue)

Hue now seems to be having a power struggle as well. I know this because he keeps having to remind everyone hes the HEAD COACH 8 times during a 9 min press conference.

This is now what they call a "track record" of Hue Jackson. Hue plays the victim, leaks to the media, throws people under the bus, and runs to Jimmy when he disagreed with Sashi. Maybe it wasn't Sashi that was willing to work with Jackson, maybe it was Jackson that wasn't willing to work with Sashi. . . .that we will never know, but the argument is there. I think as soon as push comes to shove, Jackson will then try to discredit Dorsey. Which will be hilarious.