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I understand it. I just think that there are laws that are broken all the time, which makes the offenders illegal.

I think people smoke dope even when it is illegal. Should we deport all of them?

I think people drive drunk all the time. Should we deport all of them?

I think people speed all the time. Should we deport them?

I think people aren't always honest w/their taxes. Should we deport them?

I think it's illegal to spit on the sidewalk in many locales. Should we deport them?

I could go on all night.

The point of my questions is this.........in the grand scheme of things, I don't see illegal immigrants as such a scary prospect that the articles that Vambo regularly posts claim they are.

I think we have a lot bigger problems that need addressed before illegal immigration.

I think if we implemented reasonable citizenship laws, the number of "illegal" immigrants would decrease.

I think that racial profiling and bias is at the heart of this matter.

I want to bring something up that was said earlier. CHS and PDF brought up the immigration practices at Ellis and Angel Islands.

I realize that those two are backing the same mindset as I am on the current immigration issues, but their assertions were incorrect.

The immigration policies at Angel Island were far more strict at Angel Island than they were at Ellis Island. The Asians had to prove they had a place to live. They also were asked questions such as.........."How many windows are in that particular house?" Well, those people had never visited and it made it almost impossible to pass.

Why the difference in the policies between Ellis and Angel Islands?

Race!

Ellis Island mostly received Europeans. Angel Island mostly received Asians. They are darker. Their eyes are different. Their language was "off the charts."

Make no mistake............race is a huge determining factor in how we evaluate people here in the USA.

Yes, they will increase dramatically.

But, see, here in your post, you are equating illegal citizens with citizens that do illegal things.

there Is a difference, in my opinion.

Illegal is illegal. We have laws that deal with people that...........break the law.

We also have laws that SHOULD be abided by for people that choose to enter the country illegally. Do you agree, or not?

We shouldn't deport legal citizens that break the law.

We should do all we can to stop illegals from entering the country. IF they enter, and are found, they should be deported.

Do you agree, or not?

How so?

Not me, but I'm glad you finally admit you do.

I asked questions. You were kind enough to answer. In return, I answered your questions.

We disagree.

I'm good w/that. I'm not looking for a fight. Just expressing my opinions on the matter.

How many times are you going to personally insult me tonight? If I did the same, you would be crying to the refs.

I think most people on here know your game, Vambo. Please stop baiting me into a fight where I am the one who gets suspended while you keep posting your BS.

I appreciate that.

But you didn't answer my one question: What part of illegal do you not understand?

What part of illegal don't you understand? Is it or is it not illegal to spit on a sidewalk in certain locations? Is it or is it not illegal to speed? Is it or is it not illegal to smoke weed in many parts of the country?

My point is that I could care less if people break those laws. And I am not frightened by illegal aliens entering this country.

There are laws that I think need to be enforced. Rape. Murder. Child abuse. Chile neglect. Theft. Etc. There are others that I don't think are such a big deal. For example, a dude might pass me in the right lane and be going over the speed limit by 10 miles per hour. It might annoy me, but I am not going to freak out about it. Similarly, I am not going to freak out over some poor people entering the country looking to improve their quality of life even though I know that all aren't perfect citizens.

We have different philosophies. Can we leave it at that? Or, do you have to win this conversation?

Yeah right I started baiting you...

He did say Trump is the only President wanting to do something about the invasion in 15 years.

The GOP has controlled the US government for eight years. All this is on the GOP and trump. And trump’s answer was to separate babies from their parents.

Hundreds of US troops heading to the border to deal with migrant caravan, official says

Hundreds of U.S. troops are set to make their way to the southern border to help Homeland Security and the National Guard as a caravan with thousands of migrants pushes north with the goal of crossing into America, a U.S. official confirmed to Fox News on Thursday.

The official said roughly 800 soldiers will be sent to the area to offer “logistical support," including providing tents and vehicles.

It’s not immediately clear which units are being tasked with the mission as details are still being finalized.

Defense Secretary James Mattis could sign the deployment orders as soon as today.

There are currently 2,100 National Guard troops on the southern border assisting Homeland Security.

President Trump tweeted Thursday morning that "I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hundreds-of-u...n-official-says

Y'all won't be happy until Trump has snipers posted up every 500 feet killing people who cross. Apparently you didn't watch this video I posted in post #1536679. I agree with everything said in that video. Shameful way to treat people in need trying to come here legally.

Most of the Planet is in need, you gonna let them all in?

Then we will be in need. Where will you take your family then?

IMMIGRATION Published 1 hour ago

Trump tells migrant caravan to turn around, as troops being sent to border


President Trump tweeted a stern warning Thursday to the migrant caravan heading toward the United States– telling the thousands of people currently making their way through Mexico to turn around as U.S. troops are set to move to the southern border.

“To those in the Caravan, turnaround, we are not letting people into the United States illegally,” the president tweeted. “Go back to your Country and if you want, apply for citizenship like millions of others are doing!”




Trump’s tweet comes only hours after a U.S. official confirmed to Fox News that hundreds of U.S. troops are set to make their way to the southern border to help Homeland Security and National Guard troops deal with the migrant caravan.

The official said that roughly 800 active duty soldiers will be sent to the area to offer “logistical support," including providing tents and vehicles, to the 2,100 National Guard troops on the southern border assisting Homeland Security.

It is unclear which units will be deployed to the border or why they are being deployed - since National Guard troops can perform the same functions - but Defense Secretary Jim Mattis could sign the deployment orders as early as Thursday. Federal law, however, prohibits the use of active duty service members for law enforcement inside the U.S. unless specifically authorized by Congress.


Trump tweeted earlier Thursday that "Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the border" and that he was using the military for what he called a "National Emergency." He vowed, "They will be stopped!" in apparent reference to the caravan, which was still about 1,000 miles from the U.S.-Mexico border and starting to dwindle. Previous migrant marches have largely dissipated before reaching the United States.

The sprawling caravan of migrants —once estimated by the United Nations to be more than 7,000 strong — is hoping to make it to the United States. Most are Hondurans, seeking to escape the poverty and violence that plagues the region.

The caravan swelled dramatically soon after crossing the Mexican border on Oct. 19, but sickness, fear and police harassment have whittled down its numbers. Since entering Mexico at its southernmost tip, the group has advanced roughly 95 miles.

ome of the migrants told Fox News they fear getting attacked if they hop on a cargo train or getting deported if they take a bus.

“They are going to walk as long as they can,” said caravan member Brian Colindres, “or as far as they can.”

I don't think illegals are the biggest threat to our country. They are a significant one that costs us 140 billion dollars in damages each year give or take 5%. Even 9/11 didn't cause as much damage and that was a 1 time event vs a yearly problem.

You always going to have problems with illegals when your a wealthy nation. None of us expect it to go away completely. We can dramatically improve our border security though by having a wall that is patrolled. We have troops all over the world protecting other countries. It's stupid not to have our own troops protecting our own borders.

If our borders are protected then it becomes much easier to go after those who overstay their visas. Every country out there punishes people who overstay their visa.

It's not about hate. It's not about race. It's about having laws and treating all people fairly under the law. It's about how as a Nation we have the right and obligation to control who enters and leaves our country. It's about doing our job to keep our citizens safe.

A senile man who forgets where he is every five minutes ranting on Twitter qualifies as "a stern warning"?

I'll agree with you on that.

The problem is there is so much child trafficking going on where young kids are told their real parents will be murdered if they don't lie and since they are undocumented it's tough on the agents to know what is the right thing to do. Many young girls have been saved from being brought in as sex slaves from this policy so I see the need for it. I still feel bad for the families that get seperated. It wouldn't happen though if they came here legally with proper papers instead of just showing up.

There just isn't a perfect solution to be had. Even with these caravans I view the ones who show up to the border to apply for asylum differently than the ones who try to rampage and sneak in. Just because they apply though doesn't mean they automatically get accepted. We have laws in place to decide how that goes. For the ones who don't pass that criteria but applied legally I don't want them treated poorly but with the same respect as anyone else who applies and gets accepted.

It's not a crime to want to live in the USA. It's only a crime to come here with the intention of breaking laws to do so.

This argument is so insane that it would be humorous if it didn't have to do with rape and pedophilia.

There have been over 1,200+ cases of ICE agents being accused of sexual assault as of April (under both Obama and Trump), with many dismissed or punished by a slap on the wrist, with most still pending.

The argument that putting women and children in cages under the discretion of sexual predators who flunked out of law enforcement is ridiculously laughable, and came directly (and predictably) out of the dregs of Breitbart and similar sites aimed at racist and elderly cranks.

j/c:

I have a serious question. Are members of the Caravan reading tweets on social media?

Doubtful, unlikely, but not impossible.

Forming a caravan for safety to travel to the US seeking asylum is NOT illegal.

With all the reporters down there trying to push their angle?

most of them are too busy trying to figure out how to make their families lives better to be paying attention to twitter.

im sorry to bring a personal example out of this, but i've been to real warzones. and warzones come in many different forms, whether its terrorism, militaries, drug cartels, mafia's, or oligarchies.

and as someone who has seen it personally and understand it, the worse thing we can do is turn people away who are escaping warzones.

i'd understand if people were coming from countries that didn't have any major problems. but that isn't the case whatsoever. not only are the countries they are trying to escape have massive problems with atleast 3 of the types ive described, but one can make a serious argument that the US is partly responsible for the situations that happen in central/south america.

we turned away the jewish people who tried to escape nazi germany. atleast a quarter of them ended up in concentration camps and died.

if we show no compassion and send these people back, many of them will die at the hands of corrupt governments and drug cartels. im sick of us making the same moral mistakes over and over again.

Thanks. I think Trump's message was to the so-called white Christians who hate minorities and are incapable of compassion for people not like them. "Donald is protecting us!"

And I think you should absolutely interject your life experiences into a discussion like this. They carry a lot more weight than those haven't experienced such things.

50,000 children sent here last year unaccompanied there are 13,000 still here and their parents were contacted three times and they didn't want their children back the children are getting full medical,, dental, education, food, clothing and living space free. They are also able to call relatives in the USA and their home countries while they await being adopted, Vers, PQF and Swish here's your chance to help adopt a few each.

I live a few miles from a sanctuary city do you? If not you cannot teach me anything about it.

Any officer who did those kind of things should be punished by the fullest extent of the law. I have no mercy in me for anyone who commits rape.

That doesn't change the fact that human trafficking of women and children through our southern border is a legitimate and real problem and has been for decades. That is why they came up with the policy quite a long time ago. Trump is not the first president to enforce it.

Migrant Caravan Swells To As Many As 10,000, Resumes March Toward U.S.-Mexican Border

https://www.dailywire.com/news/37398/migrant-caravan-swells-5000-resumes-advance-us-joseph-curl

Hundreds of Central American migrants scrambled over a bridge wall and jumped into a river below as they battled to get past authorities stopping them at the Guatemala-Mexico border.

The mob swelled to at least 5,000 people — some estimates go as high as 10,000 — and once past police dressed in riot gear, they resumed their trek to the U.S.-Mexico border. The throng is currently marching toward the Mexican town of Tapachula, "10 abreast in a line stretching approximately a mile," the Associated Press reported.

At the Suchiate River, some 700 federal p​olice officers from Mexico made no attempt to intervene as hundreds of young men dropped off the bridge into the water, then swam, floated or rafted to Mexico. They are still nearly 1,800 miles from El Paso, Texas, and Google Maps says that would take 573 hours on foot.

They marched on through Mexico like a rag tag army of the poor, shouting triumphantly slogans like "Si se pudo!" or "Yes, we could!" As they passed through Mexican villages on the outskirts of Ciudad Hidalgo, they drew applause, cheers and donations of food and clothing from Mexicans.

Maria Teresa Orellana, a resident of the neighborhood of Lorenzo handed out free sandals to the migrants as they passed. "It's solidarity," she said. "They're our brothers."

Olivin Castellanos, 58, a truck driver and mason from Villanueva, Honduras, said he took a raft across the river after Mexico blocked the bridge. "No one will stop us, only God," he said. "We knocked down the door and we continue walking." He wants to reach the U.S. to work. "I can do this," he said, pointing to the asphalt under his feet. "I've made highways."

A day earlier, Mexican authorities halted entry to migrants on the bridge, but did allow women with small children in. By evening, the frustrated mob swept over the bridge fence and into Mexico. None were detained when they made it to land.

U.S. officials — and President Trump — warned the marchers when they started the march earlier this month in Honduras.

"We are seriously concerned about the caravan of migrants traveling north from Honduras, with false promises of entering the United States by those who seek to exploit their compatriots," the U.S. Embassy in Honduras said in a statement.

Meanwhile, Trump threatened to cut off aid to Honduras if they allow the march to continue.

"The United States has strongly informed the President of Honduras that if the large Caravan of people heading to the U.S. is not stopped and brought back to Honduras, no more money or aid will be given to Honduras, effective immediately!" Trump said on Twitter.

But Trump is taking a more pragmatic view of late and said on Saturday that he may have a solution.

“Is that an incredible situation?” Trump said during a campaign rally in Elko, Nevada. “We’re going to figure it out,” he said, suggesting his administration has a solution, but planned to keep that information “low key until the election.”

Still, Trump reiterated, “They’re not coming into this country.”

This won't stop you from crapping your pants in fear over some brown people coming to the border for help, but it might save you a few bucks on laundry.

Your brand I am guessing since you are advertising them.

Grandpa Breitbart Doin Work

Yep. had to throw a little shade on the tiki torch parade...

Your brand is quite literally “I think George Soros gave David Hogg the Arby’s emails because I read it on the absurdly racist website for confused Grandpas”

If you think you are OK then.

How long have you been reading that website?

Good one, Vambo. How long did it take to to think of that one?

We figured out long ago that you can't be taught anything.