DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Maybe the Raiders should trade Khalil Mack

It's easy when every play call for him is, Mack, sic'em.

He dropped back a few times last game I saw. No different usage than what we do with Myles.

They're T-1000 terminators programmed for mainly one purpose, to sic em' hahaha.

It gets better:



https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/status/1042529865084403712

10 years, $100 Million

This trades gonna turn out to be one of the all time great steals ...

I really wish we could have gotten it done ... i cant even imagine MG and Mack together the last two weeks ...

Ya’all blasted me before it happenend and after it happenend .... well .... IMO ... with him ... we’d be playoff contenders right this second ... and i mean that ...

And I believe we have MG for at least 3 more years ...

OH GOOD GOD!!!

I almost had a heart attack when I read this. If we only have Garrett for three more years, then something went horribly, horrible wrong.

I meant under contract now ...

Is that not true? ... your way more up on that stuff than i am ..

Kind of. Three more years, including this year, and then first round picks have a fifth year option.

Is it a team or player option? ....

Team.

I'm not knocking the idea, having the freedom to basically turn a guy loose, is invaluable. Myles, we're going to love having that same thing.

I have a question for you.

Why are you so intent on knocking Gruden? I really don't like the guy, but your obsession w/bashing him is pretty weird.

You've done the same thing w/other guys. You constantly bashed Hoyer. You constantly bashed Osweiler. You constantly bash Hue. You were bashing the hell out of Tom Coughlin when he went to Jax and predicted utter doom and gloom for the franchise.

Do you know these people personally? Have they wronged you in some personal manner?

Yeah he has a mic'ed up clip on NFL.Com, already in the huddle getting people fired up. I mean, has he been voted captain yet? Outside his physical skill, he looks like a true leader/teammate too.

I dunno, as good as Khalil Mack is and he is great. I'm not sure his contract and Two 1st round picks wasn't worth it. I thought there was no way in hell they could get two 1's and someone pay him.

In the short term it was a poor move to win now. Long term when Mack is on the other side of 30, I dunno.




Also, speculation has it that Raider Ownership couldn't come up with the escrow to pay Mack AND Gruden. Al Davis JR only has like 500m, he isn't a billionaire like the other owners.

100m Gruden
140m Mack

that's like half the guys net worth.

The Bears are now a championship contender because of him. I thought he was going to be a Brown then the Bears came out of no were and got him. The Browns would have had a great defense if they could have made the trade. Oh well.

Mack is a generational talent...what's funny is Gruden just gave an interview talking about how hard it is to find a pass rusher They have a revenue of 300 mill or so, Davis isn't paying out of his own pocket but I think it had something to do with it. They aren't a very profitable franchise right now...the dumb move was hiring Gruden for 100mil. People are coming to watch the team play, not to watch gruden coach

Trubisky is still the QB. They aren't beating many playoff caliber teams unless he improves a ton as the season goes on.

Thank you Jon Gruden, for trading Mack to Chicago, who we're not playing next week.

IMAGINE ... I CAN ONLY IMAGINE ...

How GOOD is OUR D with one Mr. Mack opposite MG with Ward and the rest of this secondary ....

Oh well .... this D will do ...

I'm only going to mention Ogbah in this thread because his name was thrown around in draft talks for Mack.

That said....with Garrett and Ogunjobi playing lights out at the moment, he may lose the attention of an OC when it comes to game planning. I'm hoping he comes back healthy and can make and impact on the other side of the line.

I hope he can come back and stay healthy! He has so much potential, but he has struggled to be able to stay on the field.

When you have a ten year, $100 million contract you say and do whatever you want:

What? ... i have NO CLUE what this is about or means ... NONE ...

It's about cfrs bashing Gruden. Something new and different. Like anyone else here cares.

Would u explain ... i dont even know who Rashaad Melvin is ..

I don't either, bro.

I just know cfrs. He gets on a roll when bashing certain guys. I'm fairly certain he posted that blurb just to slam Gruden.

I don't care for Gruden, but I don't really understand why we should lead a crusade against him considering he coaches the Raiders and we are Brown's fans.

This is what led to Gruden's comments re: Rahsaan Melvin that cfrs posted...


Melvin’s frustration surely lies not only with the team’s performance, but with his playing time as well. He only played seven defensive snaps against Seattle, and fellow corner Gareon Conley played zero. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Daryl Worley got almost all the corner snaps, and we saw how well that worked. Perhaps this was the coaching staff trying to mix things up and see if a new combination would work, but both Melvin and Conley have been pretty good this season and it’s odd that they wouldn’t figure more into the game plan.

What’s less apparent here is what Melvin means by not changing his style, and returning to ‘what got him here’. Whatever that was, it made the Raiders step up and pay him a ton of money this offseason as a free agent, so we’d all love to see it if he has some sort of secret kung fu he hasn’t shown off as a Raider to this point.

This can go one of two ways. There’s little doubt that many in the Raider locker room are similarly frustrated. The Raiders can either focus and channel this into better play, or they can fracture with bad attitudes, infighting and squabbling and Jon Gruden will completely lose the locker room. Let’s hope for all of our sakes that it’s the former.

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This is interesting. I realize that I played the game a long, long time ago and coached it a long time ago, but damn man.......what happened to accepting your role and your coach?

I played for coaches that I didn't agree with. Hell, I had the strongest arm on the team and was by far the smartest of our qbs. I was also the toughest. The coaches moved me to qb because I was shorter and we had a qb who was 6'5" in the 70s.

I was pissed, but it was their decision and I decided to show them by becoming the best RB I could be. I didn't complain. I didn't cause friction. I simply tried harder.

I think too many of today's players have a feeling of entitlement and are not as accepting of coaching as they should be.

So he’s a disgruntled that was paid big money in the off season and he’s lost playing time for whatever reason ...

Thanks ... gives some backround to it ...

Never heard of the dude ... grudens gonna struggle with these guys .... he’s older and not as tolerant as he used to be ... he’s always been harsh on mistakes but now he’s way more controlling and a lot stricter than he used to be IMO .....

Not a fan of grudens at all .... but like vers said .. WHO CARES ....

We gots sumtin to talk about going into week 7thats isn’t draft related .... the years all ready been a SUCCESS IMO ....

Here’s to adding to that success this very sunday ....

LETS GOOOOOOooooooooooooooo .....

What happened? It started with participation trophies (everybody is special) and continued to SOCIAL MEDIA. Non-stop attention whoring for sympathy.

yep.

The raiders are a hot mess. It feels so much like Chip Kelly and the eagles but without the early success.

2-3 years ago I was jealous, because Mack and Carr was the duo I wanted. I rated johnny higher than carr but mack was the one I wanted and we traded him away.

A lot of people kept saying how great Mackenzie was as GM. I mean those two picks just fell in his lap. The raiders traded one away and it appears they are in full tank mode for whatever reason.

Im not jealous any more. There's about 10 teams I'm thankful that i'm not a fan of, the raiders are one. I wouldn't be surprised if they go 1-15 this year.

But that 1 will still be us.

Agree that the Raiders are definitely in tank mode even though Gruden says they're not.

They also cut LB Derrick Johnson yesterday.

We should take a look at Johnson. He's pretty good in coverage.

He is also on a 1 year deal and will be an UFA in March.
If he is trying to be the good soldier and play the way he is being coached, but it is causing poor results, he may be getting frustrated because that impacts his potential earnings as a Free Agent. He is likely wanting to have a boom year, but you can't do that when you're not getting much time and when you do you're being coached to play a way that goes against whatever it was that earned you that 1-year deal.

The Raiders are a total mess, and I agree that we should bring in Derrick Johnson - at least for a workout and a conversation. See what he still has and if he can help us.

Apologies for the long-ago bump, but Diam and I had a wager and I'm a man of my word. Hopefully, under those circumstances, it's okay to bump an older thread.

I must say, this might be one of the most inaccurate football takes I've had. Amongst plenty, to be sure, but what has happened to the Oakland Raiders is almost beyond my comprehension.

I got bold and predicted the Raiders would go 10-6.

Now they're a miserable 1-5: And their lone win was gifted to them by the officials against us. Because, you know, the universe knew there was only one thing worse for me than them being 0-6 at this point.

As I say, however, I can't fathom what I've seen from the Raiders. It has been beyond awful. Derek Carr crying on the field. Gruden has already lost the locker room. The team lacks discipline, doesn't fight and frankly looks lost. The organization is already selling off talent and tanking their way to, well, everything the Browns have been over the last few years.

I'm certainly surprised.

With that said, I stand by just about everything I said.

- Cooper, Cook and Nelson are legit. All are having pretty good seasons. Carr isn't lacking weapons. The OL hasn't been good and Gruden just doesn't have a good offense, but Derek Carr has just been trash. I thought he'd return to form. He's far from it.

- I think Myles Garrett is better than Khalil Mack. I know you're not a stats man, but hear me out.

Mack - 20 tackles, 5 sacks, 4 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT, 1 TD.
Garrett - 24 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 FF.

I would keep nearly-23-year-old Myles Garrett over nearly-28-year-old Khalil Mack in a heart beat. It isn't even close. Garrett is already better, and isn't even close to his prime.

Now, those stats don't include that Mack has played one less game, but I'm keeping them for two specific reasons. Firstly, Garrett is limited by how bashed up our secondary is. Mack has the better roster to help compliment his skills. Secondly, man, you sneeze at Mack and he gets a flag. Like all top dawgs. Meanwhile, our mild-mannered giant is openly calling out the refs for missing calls, and the tape supports him. Garrett would have 10+ sacks already if the refs would stop letting defenders hold him.

- Maurice Hurst and Arden Key have been pretty good. P.J Hall, too, will be good. I think, long-term, I would have dealt Mack too. He wanted too much. Trubisky is still meh. His stats are good because he had one for-the-ages game, but the rest of the way he's been meh. I honestly think that talent will be wasted around him - same story as the Palmer-led Cardinals. The Bears are good, but I don't think good enough to threaten past 16 games. They need to improve very quickly to be a legitimate threat while Mack is still on top.

- The Raiders are a better team than their record says. I really underestimated how out of touch Gruden is. I'm not saying their roster is good, I certainly overrated them, but I do think the coaching has been utterly pitiful.

So;

TL;DR - I concede on the sig-bet, my friend, hit me with your best shot!

TL;DR ... WHATS THAT STAND FOR ... OOOPS ... whats that stand for?

Your a man of your word ... u also have a great memory ... if I lose i woildn’t have come back cause i forgot nt cause i’m Not a man of my word ... *L* ...

Wouldn’t worry to awful much about being wrong ... everyone is sometimes ... its an odd game sometimes in that regard ....

Being a man of your word goes a long long way in my world ... your sig ..

Australia rocks and the #1 tourist destination is the Isle of Optimism where the Aussie dawg and dawgettes throw there shrimp on the Barbie ....

OK .... u can change the last line .... throw the shrimp on the Barbie line out ... u finish it for me u know7 yo\ur co\untry bette0r than i do ....

I would take mg over Mack given there age also ....

Mack is better today imo ... I take mg cause of age ...

Not opposed to stats used properly ... actually love them and have used them to make a lot of money in FF over the .years .. not a fan of improper use of them ... and i would never ever rely on one stat as enough evidence to prove anything ... that’s where my saying comes from ... using one stat to prove a point was the catalyst for STATS ARE FOR LOSERS ...

Your stat is one piece of evidence in whose better ... when considering that stat u have to take into account Mack has played the last 3 games on a bum ankle ... to pit it in perspective u need to do two things in my opinion ..

- look at pre injury statS and there affect on the games ...

- give a “weight” to the injury to quantify its affect in today’s analytical world based off pre and post injury numbers ... me, I just consider it in my evaluation w/o a formula ...

Like i said .. thats just one piece of the puzzle ...

And I LOVE MG .. best way for me to sum it up ... and its ok if we disagree .. I love your COMMITMENT to your stance ... CONVICTION is a better word ...

I would take mg cause of his age, I think Mack is better today cause of what he’s learned in the 5 years experience he has over mg ...

Its tit for tat imo here bro ... we’re splitting hairs IMO ... no?

TL;DR stands for "Too long; didn't read." Used in a lot of forums where longer posts are less common. It offers a brief overview of the post for users who don't have the time to read it all.

I must admit, I have never had shrimp on the barbie, and I've never seen it. We don't even really do shrimp - prawns are much more popular, but they're usually eaten cold, and they aren't even close to the popularity of fish. Which is well behind the popularity of white meat, which is behind the popularity of red meat haha. It's become such an odd slogan. I guess the idea was to add emphasis to the beach, a love of seafood and barbequing. But it's a lie. Frankly, we're much like mid-west/rust belt/redneck America; How much red meat do you need on your grill? The answer is MORE.

You're right, we're splitting hairs. Mack and Garrett are both incredible players who are amongst the best at their position.

I'll admit too, I think I'm bias just because Garrett is ours. Our own drafted superstar. Feels damn nice having one of them.