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we're on very dangerous ground here IMO.

We have KC, ATL, CIN, CAR, HOU, etc on the horizon

ALL have good offenses. And ALL of them can COPY exactly what teams have done since the SD game: BLITZ and make it muddy for Baker.

We have nothing over the top and our OL has been exposed. Teams aren't afraid of us one bit. And we haven't shown the ability to adjust.

That is a valid question. Can anyone elaborate...thanks.

I've read on here that people say it appears he doesn't have that permission. I don't know myself.

No one knows ... its all pure speculation ...

The thing is with qb’s audabiling ... today theres so many variations of audabiling ... can he change the play to anything he wants ...

Do they call a run play in the huddle but give the opportunity to “check” into a pass

Do they give him a base play in the huddle and then give him 2 or 3 “check” to options ...

There’s so many different “levels” today ...

And even if we knew if he could audible or not ... no one on here or not in the building would have any clue if Bake’s ready for it ... i would imagine all qb’s are ready for that in a different time frame ... i would imagine rookie qb’s have the tightest handcuffs on them when it comes to changing plays ...

I’m surprised more people haven’t noticed it, but the word is out on Baker and the Ravens showed the entire NFL:

Keep Baker in the pocket and blitz up the middle. His height disadvantage means he doesn’t see people fast enough. Thus they pressure and sack him. Baker has yet to prove he can beat this. In fact he has failed to beat this scheme every time it’s used against him. Baker is ok throwing against Cover 3 zones and soft cover 2, but he struggles big time throwing against middle blitz pressure with man coverage

Teams will keep doing it till he prove he can beat it, and so far Mayfield has been unable to do so

So the rookie qb is struggling with blitzes and tight man coverage ...

Huh ... that hardly ever happens ... ...

eve and versatile, isn’t it possible that both of you are right?? baker has a lot to learn about picking up the blitz and reacting. He will get better with experience. But, shouldn’t we be doing better picking up blitzers and at least getting a helmet on them to slow them down?? doesn’t someone on the line have the responsibility of making blocking calls??
here is what puzzles me. I saw on here a stat that we blitz roughly 30% of the time. If we did that yesterday how many times did we put real pressure on the qb? I remember one sack and other than that I do not remember any pressure at all on their qb. Meanwhile our qb was under pressure the entire game. Other teams just seem to blitz more successfully than us. I do not understand why that is.
This was just a very discouraging week for the browns.

j/c:

Didn't like to see/here Myles Garret calling out the defensive gameplan (and thus Williams) to the media. He is picking up on a "Hue Habit".

90 catches for 108 yards. He cant get open downfield.

"Hue, why didn't you use timeouts at the half"

"honestly I don't even recall that. "

This just isn't good right now. Not sure what the heck is happening. Is it Hue, is it Todd, is it Williams, is it Baker, is it a lack of receivers that can get open?

I honestly don't know the answer, but they gotta get this fixed or heads have to roll.....

I'm not one to call for the firing of a HC in the middle of a season, it generally doesn't do anything for the team. But maybe, this time is THE time.

Who replaces him?

W-L records of NFL teams with best turnover differentials

+10 Browns 2-5-1
+7 Bears 4-3
+7 Seahawks 4-3
+6 Rams 8-0
+6 Redskins 5-2
+5 Chargers 5-2
+4 Chiefs 7-1

Browns
W-L percentage .313

Rest of list
W-L percentage .750

https://twitter.com/CPatrickNFL/status/1056897230764994560

thats sad

A couple comments in response to some of the posts.

I rarely like blowing up the coaching staff or GM staff for that matter. I think it leads to guys who can play being let go for younger players who are "the new regime/coaching staff's" guys. My memory is not good enough to recall specifically many mid-season changes of coaching staffs that have worked. I know some have and the one most obviously in my head was Marty replacing Sam at mid-season in 1984. Sam was 1-7, Marty went 4-4 after. Who knows if a coaching change will help?

My other thoughts regard the comments of people have wondering if Baker had "authority" to change a play. First off, I don't think we should know, or the media even for that matter. If I was GM and the coach had that "rule" and he announced it to the media, I would be extremely upset.

It is nobody's business if Baker was given that authority by Hue or Todd. Why would you let your opposing defense know that.

I wish our coaches and FO would stick to coach speak and leaks to the media drive me nuts. If I were GM/President/owner and critical information or team infighting was making it to the media I would try my best to find out who and fire them instantly. I always hate it during draft time when teams give hints as to who they like. IT can inly hurt for other teams to know that information. Only info I am letting out is smoke screens.

If I released confidential business info and they found it is was me I would expect to lose my job.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

One telling thing: our last possession (score was 33-12) started and Pittsburgh was still bringing pressure, at least to start the possession.

This tells me they smelled blood in the water (not in terms of that particular game, but in terms of the state of our team/franchise). They wanted to further ruin Baker and our leadership.

Do the others have kickers? It is pathetic to see a D getting the ball back as they struggle, and give it back to a lousy offense like us.

I remember Chucky in Tampa I believe, and he said to his Def that if they can get 25 turnovers they will be in the SB during a practice.

we have what 22, 23 now, and are in the basement....smh.

he was never that type of receiver.

Let's face it we do have some talent on this team but we need more. Another good draft and FA period may put us where we need to be. I really believe if you put Baker on the Chiefs, Saints, Rams etc. with all that O talent he would be more productive. We just aren't there yet and it shows.

No, but hes not living up to the bill of his sale so far either. He has given some lack luster effort at times if you ask me.

Hes making big time money to produce plays and make catches past the chains, hes not doing either.

7 catches for 30 yards or whatever he had yesterday - no thanks.

He can’t do things by himself .. hes a WELL ABOVE AVERAGE NFL WR and were lucky to have him ... he can get downfield and produce ...

We have PROBLEMS right now on O ... HES NOT ONE OF THEM ...

He's a slot guy who's been asked to play the Z-Receiver spot. Its not his forte. Right now, the closest thing we have to a true WR1 is Callaway, and he is still very raw. That said, I have been less than thrilled with Landry's effort and body language. Yesterday, Mayfield threw a laser to him - open - about 15 or 20 yards downfield in a crossing pattern, and the ball appeared to go right through his hands. It may have been a touch high, just above his head, but Landry short-armed it and it went right through his hands. The announcer said Mayfield overthrew him, but it looked very catchable to me.

Maybe he would be doing better if our star qb could get him the ball?

The dude caught more passes than any WR in the history of the NFL in his first 4 years. He did it w/guys like Tannehill, Cutler, and Moore.

And yeah, I'm supposed to believe that he suddenly got terrible in year 5.

I am not sure why you even respond to some of those guys. I'm not going to. I finally took your advice. I'm not replying to them anymore.

Yes, we need a higher level of Dawgtalkers for guys like you and a few others where you could all spend your days on hardcore football jawboning without having to interact with all of us unwashed, ignorant deplorables. That's the ticket.

I don't mind those that are ignorant. I just don't like when the ignorant try to pretend they are intelligent about matters they know nothing about.

In plain English............I don't think Landry has suddenly lost it and I don't think he is even remotely to blame for our offensive problems.

Oh, so your coach fetish dude got fired, and now you're upset at the world. Got it.

Even attacking the qb? I expected better out of you.

Geese, do I have to repost my Landry Slot Receiver Basics 101 rant again? OK, here goes...

Landry is a very good slot receiver, but he is NOT a #1 receiver. He lacks the raw speed and height to perform effectively in that role.

Landry flourishes best when paired with a true #1 receiver who takes the top off the defense thus lengthening the field of play, which in turn opens up midfield space where Landry does his best work.

Landry publicly acknowledged this in an interview back in pre-season. He stated that he was really looking forward to Josh Gordon's return. When asked why he wanted to see the return of a seeming rival, Landry explained how Josh's deep threat presence made his own job easier and helped him to be a much better receiver.

But now, Landry has been asked to be a #1 receiver, or has been paired off with a raw rookie and incapable wannabe #1 receiver. Landry's numbers have tanked as a result, BUT IT IS NOT HIS FAULT!

If Dorsey can bring in a real #1 receiver next season, Landry should be back to his good ole self and once again will do very fine work in the slot. Hurrah!

arch, you are following me around again. Please stop.

Ah. I see. On a public message board, YOU are allowed to post what you want, but others aren't allowed to reply to your public posts.

Nah, I don't understand. I know you are hurt/bothered by your boy getting canned. I'm not following you around. Nice try though.

I always appreciate those that want to speak, and get defensive when someone disagrees with them, and then say "troll" , or "quot stalking me", or "quit following me around."

It's funny.

You are ONLY replying to me. You are trying to bait me into another fight so you can then report me and get me suspended for bickering again.

You have made about 8 or so posts tonight and each one was an attack on me. You haven't talked about anything else in both football forums.

I am trying to ask you nicely............please stop following me around and trying to start another fight? Please?

Can you show me where i said he lost it? Please do, before you start putting words in peoples post, realize they are right there for you to read. Or are you going to send another PM cussing a poster out or another one pleading with me to leave you alone?

I specifically said he has produced to what we are paying him, has he? He has given up at times - FACT. He has looked great at times too, FACT.

You are literally the most condesending poster on this board, and get called out left and right about it. I once offered you a hand of support, since then - you have up stories a lied about others.

As Gregg would say, you know the guy that took over for the guy you said we would never fire cause he was a great coach (hahaha, still sore on that huh), come get some.

Wrong. But go on.

I agree he is above average. But he was brought here to make catches and be a leader. Hes making catches, but has give poor effort at times. WE saw this on an out where he put up one hand to "attempt" a catchable ball by Baker. When things get tough his body shows his frustrations, and then his performance suffers as well. He checks out of games mentally.

I am sorry if I am not like other posters and call it like i see it. I can be objective when watching players and coaches - and dont automatically think that every person on the field is best in the NFL.

He was a great pickup, no doubt. A needed one. As a poster pointed out, he needs a true #1 to be effective. That is evident. Just the type of player he is. If we cant be realistic about a player that we have, we have a problem.

Say hi to Fitz for me .. u just described a FIRST BALLOT HOFer to a T ..

Good job ...

Here’s a few questions for u ...

Who was the reciever he had in Miami to take the top off? ...

Who was his number 1 wr compliment there . ...

Bro ... your way smarter than me ... this is not like u ... u MADE THIS TOO EASY ... quoting woody from white men can’t jump ...

This **** is TO EASY .. ITS TO EASY ... ...

Please ... who were these recievers that took the top off the D to open up the middle for him and who was his true number one there since he’s not a true number one ... speed is lacking ... (i won’t argue that .. but hes been a VERY GOOD - GREAT RECIEVER for every year he’s been in the league ...til this year .. ) ...

And as my questions will prove when u CAN’T ANSWER THEM ... it wasn’t for the reasons u and others continue to spew ... he is not simply a slot reciever ... NEITHER WAS FITZ ... just cause they EXCEL there does not mean its the only place they can be PRODUCTIVE ...

Come on dawg ... you set the bar high ... THATS TWO DISSAPOINTING POSTS IN A ROW FROM U ... lets gooo ... step it up bro ... ...

Also bummed u never responded to my last one ... i learn from u and i missed an opportunity cause i appearantly cornered u so good u couldn’t even craft a reply ... *L* ..

Who would we have to “crack” on Dave .. come on ... give us more credit than that ... were egotistical know it alls not stupid ... ...

We disagree here ... no shocker there ..... in this case I happen to know i’m right ... so i will act like a know it all egomaniac cause the FACTS are on mine and Ver’s side in this case ...

Can’t blame u for biting back ... not even a little bit ... just please when u bite next time ... don’t call me stupid ... *L* .... j/k dawg ...

Its a rough day ... will be real rough around here for awhile now ... emotions are running high ... things will be said .. thats too bad but its gonna happen ...

Things will eventually calm down and HOPEFULLY the thief lets King John do what he hired him for ... he sets up a SANE ORG. Chart ... King John hits a grand slam in his choice of coaches and continues on hos rol with FA’s and in the draft ...

We do that ... our destination next year will be much higher than OPTIMISM ....

Have fun and enjoy dawg ...

Don’t change bro ... wouldn’t respect u if u did ... u gonna afford me the same courtesy? ... pretty sure u will ... just want to make sure its a two way street is all ...

I agree he’s not a true #1 ... NEVER ONCE in all my pimping of him have i said DIFFERENT ... my exact words ... hes a poor mans AB ... he can do everything AB can and i mean EVERYTHING ... minus the breakaway or take the top off speed ...

I am dissapointed in his play for a bunch of reasons ... that doesn’t change who he is and who he has been ... he can be a BABY ... i’m OK with that cause he wants to win and he plays his ass off ... when he checks out its a shame and i won’t defend it .. I HATE THAT so far ... not so sure he’s checked out ... its the BAD BODY LANGUAGE ... not good .. for many reasons ..

But that don’t change the fact hes simply not just a slot reciever .. u tell me slot reciever i think of guys like Anthony Miller in Chicago ... Julian ‘Edelman ... Randall Cobb ... Wes Walker ... guys like that ... Landry is WAY BETTER THAN THEM and not just a slot reciever ...

Landry is a WEL ABOVE AVERAGE RECIEVER in this league ... no slot .. no #1 .. hes just a GOOD ALL AROUND nfl wr ... no labels .. THE MAN CAN BALL ...

Thats what are argument is over here ... not sure we dont agree now that we’ve gone down the rabbit hope ... *L* ...

Bro .. i enjoy debating with u .. we disagree ... no biggie .. as far as i’m Concerned we do it respectfully and just exchange ideas and differences ... hope your not reading anything else in it ... i respect the fact u stick to your guns and most of the time do it with facts and reason ... just cause we disagree isn’t a bad thing in my book ... Peens signature used to be .. “u don’t learn from like minds” or sumptin to that affect ... it was one of my all time favorite signs on here ... so simple and true ..

I still look forward to meeting u bro ... hope u feel the same ..

Oh well..............so much for that.

Well that's good to hear. Ignorant folk everywhere are breathing a sigh of relief.

I don't think we disagree. I just think some folks (not you), hear something negative about say a WR on this team or a *cough* coach on this team, and they take it as a personal attack on them because they are so egotistical and delusional how can they possible have been wrong. I never said he was just a slot receiver, that was another poster. I just said hes not living up to the bill of sale we have on him SO FAR. I am by no means saying we cut him, or that hes been garbage - not at all. I am just saying I expected more, and want to see more. I don't think we should be settling for what we have received from him so far, when you and I both know he is capable of more. Would you agree with that?

Never have. I think you may have mistaken me again for another poster.

Far as Dorsey goes, in the Presser he said THIS year we will keep the structure the same and then revisit next year. Weird, tho because some are screaming that we are keeping that the same, but those same posters are screaming about continuity and making a new direction elsewhere. lol. I don't like Jimmy either, but lets be honest, no matter what he did or does, the second he fired Hue (you and I know both KNOW that was going to happen either yesterday, the bye, or the end of the year) some *cough* posters were going to meltdown like a snow cone in July.