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the same ones wanting to retain Hue probally were Mangini fans too. Didn’t Mangini have the team at the third lowest amount of peanties that year? Didn’t he also win four straight games to finish? he also had us finishing at the bottom of the afc north. so with that, there's no difference.
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3-36-1. 0-20 on the road. Some people see this as a hopeful situation....lol You are being unreasonable. They need 5 more years. Ok...I guess so. How bad does it need to get? 7-70.... hey, some people tell us we need continuity and it is a hopeful situation. LOL.....sorry Hue sucks. I know you were kidding. This was a big game, and we failed miserably. This team isn't playing hard. Hue is a stooge. His players know he is a goof, his assistants all had better records than the stooge, and he goes out talking about being the head coach and this, that, and the other, Just send him packing. It's time. It's over. Heck, it was over last year.
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Pettine came in, went 7-9 Next year Pettine got fired after going 4 and 12. FOUR! ???  What the heck is Four?  ( head coach emeritus? Head Coach in Name only, overseeing everything while someone else comes in and does the work work, ) I still don't see the, Ernest call to get him out "this" week, more than any other week.
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the same ones wanting to retain Hue probally were Mangini fans too. Didn’t Mangini have the team at the third lowest amount of peanties that year? Didn’t he also win four straight games to finish? he also had us finishing at the bottom of the afc north. so with that, there's no difference. Can’t argue that. Facts is facts.
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This is something I posted this morning in another thread, but it applies perfectly to the topic of this thread. Enjoy the rerun folks!  Firing either Hue Jackson or Todd Haley in mid-season is stupid so long as the team hasn't quit outright. Note: There is a difference between a team that is gassed and a team that has quit. And while I think Hue Jackson is a below average head coach, I'm not sure Hue should be fired at season's end. Hue Should NOT Be Fired IF....- If those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, hire the new coach. Why swap out one NFL coaching mediocrity for yet another mediocrity? The Haslams have not a clue what constitutes coaching greatness and thus can never find and hire a great coach. They can only hire yet another recycled hack coach. Swapping Hue for another bum is pointless.
- If the new coach reports directly to those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, instead of John Dorsey. Why plug a new coach into the same old dysfunctional management structure guaranteed to produce yet more awful Browns bureaucratic infighting?
- If John Dorsey can not find a great coach this off season. While recycling mediocre coaches is a well entrenched and respected GM pastime in the NFL, the Browns should ONLY seek greatness in the next head coach. If no great coach is available - only the usual suspect regurgitations - the Browns may as well keep Hue for the sake of stability.
If any of these three conditions apply at season's end, it is better to keep Hue the Mediocrity around than to trash the entire system yet again, only to be replaced by the same crap management structure and the same crap head coach wannabes. The Haslams, not Hue Jackson, are the direct cause of most Browns suckage. Scapegoating Hue brings temporary emotional relief but does nothing to solve the deeper cause of Browns woes.
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This is something I posted this morning in another thread, but it applies perfectly to the topic of this thread. Enjoy the rerun folks! Firing either Hue Jackson or Todd Haley in mid-season is stupid so long as the team hasn't quit outright. Note: There is a difference between a team that is gassed and a team that has quit. And while I think Hue Jackson is a below average head coach, I'm not sure Hue should be fired at season's end. Hue Should NOT Be Fired IF....- If those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, hire the new coach. Why swap out one NFL coaching mediocrity for yet another mediocrity? The Haslams have not a clue what constitutes coaching greatness and thus can never find and hire a great coach. They can only hire yet another recycled hack coach. Swapping Hue for another bum is pointless.
- If the new coach reports directly to those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, instead of John Dorsey. Why plug a new coach into the same old dysfunctional management structure guaranteed to produce yet more awful Browns bureaucratic infighting?
- If John Dorsey can not find a great coach this off season. While recycling mediocre coaches is a well entrenched and respected GM pastime in the NFL, the Browns should ONLY seek greatness in the next head coach. If no great coach is available - only the usual suspect regurgitations - the Browns may as well keep Hue for the sake of stability.
If any of these three conditions apply at season's end, it is better to keep Hue the Mediocrity around than to trash the entire system yet again, only to be replaced by the same crap management structure and the same crap head coach wannabes. The Haslams, not Hue Jackson, are the direct cause of most Browns suckage. Scapegoating Hue brings temporary emotional relief but does nothing to solve the deeper cause of Browns woes. I have hope that Dorsey will have input in a new coaching hire. Seems he is a good judge of football talent. Maybe he also knows coaching talent. At least, he can't be any worse than Haslam at picking someone.
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This is something I posted this morning in another thread, but it applies perfectly to the topic of this thread. Enjoy the rerun folks! Firing either Hue Jackson or Todd Haley in mid-season is stupid so long as the team hasn't quit outright. Note: There is a difference between a team that is gassed and a team that has quit. And while I think Hue Jackson is a below average head coach, I'm not sure Hue should be fired at season's end. Hue Should NOT Be Fired IF....- If those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, hire the new coach. Why swap out one NFL coaching mediocrity for yet another mediocrity? The Haslams have not a clue what constitutes coaching greatness and thus can never find and hire a great coach. They can only hire yet another recycled hack coach. Swapping Hue for another bum is pointless.
- If the new coach reports directly to those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, instead of John Dorsey. Why plug a new coach into the same old dysfunctional management structure guaranteed to produce yet more awful Browns bureaucratic infighting?
- If John Dorsey can not find a great coach this off season. While recycling mediocre coaches is a well entrenched and respected GM pastime in the NFL, the Browns should ONLY seek greatness in the next head coach. If no great coach is available - only the usual suspect regurgitations - the Browns may as well keep Hue for the sake of stability.
If any of these three conditions apply at season's end, it is better to keep Hue the Mediocrity around than to trash the entire system yet again, only to be replaced by the same crap management structure and the same crap head coach wannabes. The Haslams, not Hue Jackson, are the direct cause of most Browns suckage. Scapegoating Hue brings temporary emotional relief but does nothing to solve the deeper cause of Browns woes. Well, regarding the Dorsey recognizing greatnees thing, that is a reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy hard trait to just be able to spot.
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At what point does ... For the sake of continuity become a mute point?
3 wins in two and a half years and no wins on the road?
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We only have continuity in losing.
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Moot....just saying, not pointing a finger.
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In defense of the Haslam’s, at the point he was hired, Hue was THE hot head coaching candidate. They couldn’t see into the future. Now, KEEPING him is another story.
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Moot....just saying, not pointing a finger. I stand corrected.
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Hard to be a defensive expert and then trot out the O'Neill defense and keep your job. I liked Pettine, but he's another in a long line of good coordinator, not so good HC. Could he have grown into a good HC? With the rosters we've had since, probably not. Would have liked to see what Flip could do with Baker, though. Who would we actually like to replace Hue? When would they be available? I put Haley and Williams in the same category as Pettine, "good" coordinators, underwhelming HCs. Don't see much point in replacing one of those with another.
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I wonder what a disciplinarian like Mangini would do with the talent we have NOW
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Hard to be a defensive expert and then trot out the O'Neill defense and keep your job. I liked Pettine, but he's another in a long line of good coordinator, not so good HC. Could he have grown into a good HC? With the rosters we've had since, probably not. Would have liked to see what Flip could do with Baker, though. Who would we actually like to replace Hue? When would they be available? I put Haley and Williams in the same category as Pettine, "good" coordinators, underwhelming HCs. Don't see much point in replacing one of those with another. At this point, just let Williams rung the D, and Haley run the O and eschew the head coach. What do we have to lose?
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Well, regarding the Dorsey recognizing greatnees thing, that is a reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy hard trait to just be able to spot. And yet... that is his job. If only the Haslams would let him do his job.
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Well, regarding the Dorsey recognizing greatnees thing, that is a reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy hard trait to just be able to spot. And yet... that is his job. If only the Haslams would let him do his job. True. And I do think he has an eye for talent. I also think, with absolutely no evidence to back it up, that part of his employment agreement was he will be the top hand on the ranch after this season.
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I think Mangini would do a good job. He had this team on the right track before the gears were switched again with Holmgren who set us back even farther. Mangini did not have the talent we have now as well as the GM we have now. Another good FA period and draft and we should have even more talent. It just has to be coached the right way!!
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Who would we actually like to replace Hue? A cone would be better.
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Hard to be a defensive expert and then trot out the O'Neill defense and keep your job. I liked Pettine, but he's another in a long line of good coordinator, not so good HC. Could he have grown into a good HC? With the rosters we've had since, probably not. Would have liked to see what Flip could do with Baker, though. Who would we actually like to replace Hue? When would they be available? I put Haley and Williams in the same category as Pettine, "good" coordinators, underwhelming HCs. Don't see much point in replacing one of those with another. John DeFilippo
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Flip would want to be his own O-Coordinator, and he would never run the ball.
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I want Hue fired immediately before he does any additional damage to Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is all I care about at this point in time. additional damage? How has Hue hurt Mayfield?
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I want Hue fired immediately before he does any additional damage to Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is all I care about at this point in time. additional damage? How has Hue hurt Mayfield? Using him has an escape goat like he did with Kizer. Kid is struglling there, we have a good veteran QB with few things to prove. Give the team back to TT, and protect the rookie. This fan base does not allow rookies to be rookies....
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I want Hue fired immediately before he does any additional damage to Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is all I care about at this point in time. additional damage? How has Hue hurt Mayfield? Using him has an escape goat like he did with Kizer. Kid is struglling there, we have a good veteran QB with few things to prove. Give the team back to TT, and protect the rookie. This fan base does not allow rookies to be rookies.... Um. TT isn't gonna do anything with this team either. This O has inability to pick up blitzes and no WR to throw to. It will frustrate Baker. But making statements that it will suddenly all be ok with TT is not accurate.
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I want Hue fired immediately before he does any additional damage to Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is all I care about at this point in time. additional damage? How has Hue hurt Mayfield? Using him has an escape goat like he did with Kizer. Kid is struglling there, we have a good veteran QB with few things to prove. Give the team back to TT, and protect the rookie. This fan base does not allow rookies to be rookies.... Um. TT isn't gonna do anything with this team either. This O has inability to pick up blitzes and no WR to throw to. It will frustrate Baker. But making statements that it will suddenly all be ok with TT is not accurate. TT was hired to do this, to be a stop gap. BM was drafted to be the future. Just let the kid develop, all this expectations will ruin him, it has already started.... And IMHO OL is doing a good job, Bills had less than we did last year, and TT did OK.
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I want Hue fired immediately before he does any additional damage to Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is all I care about at this point in time. additional damage? How has Hue hurt Mayfield? The ideas he puts into his head, how he wants him to play, or changes his thoughts on approaching the game. I don't trust Hue Jackson to work with any quarterback because he may ruin them.
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There is definitely nothing to gain from firing him now....and we all came into this season with expectations of improvement, but also understanding our weaknesses, most notably, a lack of quality depth....
So now we are mired in adversity....you had to know this was coming. Instead of looking for the easy answer...i.e. blame and fire....maybe we should strengthen our resolve. understand the bumps along the way, and keep building towards a consistent goal....
The media loves the drama that comes with the high pressure arena of NFL coaching. But following the mob mentality with fire and pitchforks doesn't bring us any closer to a winning formula. Change for the sake of change is no good. Change bc of adversity, also no good.
Let the season play out, let the football men make a proper decision....don't get caught in the hype....though, here in Cleveland, that's all we do....We bring 'em in just to inevitably chase them out....and we wonder why the organization is a joke... Well said. This thread is nothing more that the same pitchfork bearers rearing their heads every time there's a loss or the slightest controversy. This week they're shocked and appalled this freshmen team lost to the Steelers at home. "How in the hell could this happen? It's obviously the coach's fault!" It'll be the same shock and outrage next week against the Chiefs. The loss sucks. The lost to pit sucks worse. But the loss is definitely not the coach's fault.Can he and they do things better, definitely, but we don't have either the manpower or the talent to compete with teams like the Steelers yet. Yet being the key word. It would be utterly stupid to blow this up again just as we're seeing signs of improvement and have finally gotten our franchise QB. Patience is hard to come by because the drought has been so long, but nothing will fix the problem except patience, more good players, and experience.
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There is definitely nothing to gain from firing him now....and we all came into this season with expectations of improvement, but also understanding our weaknesses, most notably, a lack of quality depth....
So now we are mired in adversity....you had to know this was coming. Instead of looking for the easy answer...i.e. blame and fire....maybe we should strengthen our resolve. understand the bumps along the way, and keep building towards a consistent goal....
The media loves the drama that comes with the high pressure arena of NFL coaching. But following the mob mentality with fire and pitchforks doesn't bring us any closer to a winning formula. Change for the sake of change is no good. Change bc of adversity, also no good.
Let the season play out, let the football men make a proper decision....don't get caught in the hype....though, here in Cleveland, that's all we do....We bring 'em in just to inevitably chase them out....and we wonder why the organization is a joke... Well said. This thread is nothing more that the same pitchfork bearers rearing their heads every time there's a loss or the slightest controversy. This week they're shocked and appalled this freshmen team lost to the Steelers at home. "How in the hell could this happen? It's obviously the coach's fault!" It'll be the same shock and outrage next week against the Chiefs. The loss sucks. The lost to pit sucks worse. But the loss is definitely not the coach's fault.Can he and they do things better, definitely, but we don't have either the manpower or the talent to compete with teams like the Steelers yet. Yet being the key word. It would be utterly stupid to blow this up again just as we're seeing signs of improvement and have finally gotten our franchise QB. Patience is hard to come by because the drought has been so long, but nothing will fix the problem except patience, more good players, and experience. So, there is no responsibility for the loss on Hue? Interesting theory.
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Jackson will go, just a matter of time now. Yup. I think so. Its very clear to all. Bye week is the perfect time.
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Jackson will go, just a matter of time now. Yup. I think so. Its very clear to all. Bye week is the perfect time. Um, no. You don't oust a coach in the middle of a season. At the end of the season, sure. But knee jerk reactions is how we got rid of Josh Gordon. We can all see how well that turned out.
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Jackson will go, just a matter of time now. Yup. I think so. Its very clear to all. Bye week is the perfect time. Um, no. You don't oust a coach in the middle of a season. At the end of the season, sure. But knee jerk reactions is how we got rid of Josh Gordon. We can all see how well that turned out. I would normally agree. Thing is this coach is infectious, and most of us are jut tired of him.
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Jackson will go, just a matter of time now. Yup. I think so. Its very clear to all. Bye week is the perfect time. That is probably when they will fire him.
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Jackson will go, just a matter of time now. Yup. I think so. Its very clear to all. Bye week is the perfect time. Um, no. You don't oust a coach in the middle of a season. At the end of the season, sure. But knee jerk reactions is how we got rid of Josh Gordon. We can all see how well that turned out. Coaches have been fired in the middle of a season before. This is not a Knee jerk reaction.
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Knee jerk?!? I wa all for hue getting a second and third chance... but this team looked totally unprepared on offense... defense held its own until they get run down... firing hue is not knee jerk... guy has the worst record in the history of the NFL...and he was at .500 befor we hired him...
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Jackson will go, just a matter of time now. Yup. I think so. Its very clear to all. Bye week is the perfect time. Um, no. You don't oust a coach in the middle of a season. At the end of the season, sure. But knee jerk reactions is how we got rid of Josh Gordon. We can all see how well that turned out. Coaches have been fired in the middle of a season before. This is not a Knee jerk reaction. Unfortunatly we don't do it anymore... If only Hue had been fired in the midle of his fist season....
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