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j/c

I think most of us knew this was coming. I don't really see an advantage to doing it mid season but the end result would have been the same.

I felt giving him the entire season was the right thing to do, but considering our schedule and the expected results to come from it, I felt the writing was on the wall. Whether now or at seasons end I feel the same outcome was forthcoming.

Detail on #Browns: Owner Jimmy Haslam was conflicted over blowing up another coach mid-season. Late last night he was leaning toward staying course. But Haslam spoke to GM John Dorsey, who said the Hue/Haley dynamic couldn’t continue. Some decision had to be made for the team.

More on #Browns: Significant worry in org from front office was Baker Mayfield getting thrust into the middle of Hue vs. Haley. GM John Dorsey didn’t want Mayfield being pressed for an endorsement of one of the guys or being constantly asked by the media about it the rest of 2018

#Browns continuing: It’s clear GM John Dorsey played a big role for Haslam in resolving Hue vs. Haley. Dorsey didn’t want lingering toll on roster with the malaise of an internal coaching fight. Now Dorsey will have months to vet the next hire, with Mayfield development in mind.

https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1056941917370494976

it was going ot happen ... do it now, let us be the first to research/secretly interview guys

Uh oh.

I am hearing buzz on the radio that Haslam wanted to fire Haley and Dorsey wanted to fire Hue. Dorsey won.

That puts Dorsey in Haslam's doghouse.

How will the petty and stupid-arrogant Haslam now punish Dorsey? Will Haslam take over hiring the new coach and lock out Dorsey? Will Haslam keep the same dysfunctional management structure with Dorsey and new head coach reporting separately to him? Will Haslam put Dorsey on a short leash and have a quick hook for the slightest misstep?

With Haslam in charge, always expect the stupidest and the worst.

Lolz.

of course lol

Pretty much where I am/was at. I'm not overly upset about the firing (and it was coming no matter what), but I don't see the advantages of doing it now. The latest blow up with Haley was probably the last straw. I know I wanted both Hue and Sashi gone last year because I was sick of the drama, and Hue couldn't get out of his own way with that kind of stuff.

Al Saunders confirmed?

This is like a bad Dr. Seuss book:

The Cavs had Lue
The Browns had Hue
The teams played like Doo
The fans were all Blue
The Cavs canned Lue
The Browns canned Hue
The wins the were Few
So it was past Due
Replacing Lue, they picked Drew
Replacing Hue, we don't know Who.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the final call up to Haslam? If he was dead set on firing Haley then that is what would have happened? Dorsey reports to Haslam?

If there was a disagreement on that, then Dorsey must have explained to Haslam why he felt keeping Haley of Hue was better for the team. No way Dorsey does something like firing the head coach without Haslam signing off on it.

Dorsey is not in Haslam's dog house. Haslam was thinking with his heart and he knows it. Dorsey is in charge, it was easy to let him make the decision and know that Hue's firing lays at Dorsey's feet as opposed to his own. This wasn't going to continue forever, Hue was gone next season at the latest.

I feel bad for Hue. He spent two seasons with no real hope of winning and 1/2 season without all the tools and a team still "learning". This is not to say he ever was or is a great coach, but man, talk about taking some abuse. There is a place for him in this league, maybe now he can get back to doing what he does best.

Time to move on.

IMO this job is MUCH more attractive than it's ever been ... we probably knew that Hue would be fired, but after the past few weeks, we RISKED that his coaching would ruin Baker and make the job less desirable .

Good riddance

As they say: Sometimes less is more. We hopefully have rid ourselves of the 'sideshow'...

All I can go by is what I see...
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Matt Miller
‏Verified account @nfldraftscout

Why fire Hue Jackson now?

You get a massive head start on identifying and interviewing candidates to replace him.

Smart move by the Browns.

Matt Miller
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30m30 minutes ago

I also think you want to end any dysfunction there before it grows. This is a young roster and you’re trying to establish a culture. You can’t do that with the coaches fighting.

@RapSheet on NFL Network just now: "From what I hear, Baker Mayfield is not going to exactly miss Hue Jackson"

Two problems... TWITTER and "Sounded like"

Why would he?

Dustin Fox
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Al is seriously one of the greatest guys I’ve met since I’ve been around the game. This is a smart move. He will keep things calm in Berea.

Many have argued that timing is bad. I tend to agree. Bottom line, we have plenty of time to decide who is the next man to stare down the barrel that is Cleveland Browns football. Beats the heck out of waiting til all the candidates have better interviews on their schedule.

I heard rumors of this last week that Baker wasn't a fan of Hue, but I brushed it off as people piling on Hue. If true then this makes much more sense.

But I thought the players loved Hue?

Charles Robinson
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26m26 minutes ago

More on #Browns: Significant worry in org from front office was Baker Mayfield getting thrust into the middle of Hue vs. Haley. GM John Dorsey didn’t want Mayfield being pressed for an endorsement of one of the guys or being constantly asked by the media about it the rest of 2018
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That does not make it sound like Dorsey defied Haslam and did something he was told not to. "In the end they moved on from" makes it sound like they came to an agreement.

Guess it's time to now start some draft threads....

Interesting. I wonder if Hue had already been getting involved in the offensive scheme. Maybe that is why we looked like the Hue coached offenses of the previous two years in the first half of games this year and a different team after half time. Who knows?

j/c

People need to remember that no team can approach a current NFL coach at any level until their season is over. That's tampering. So unless they plan approaching someone who doesn't have an NFL coaching job, this gives us zero advantage in negotiating with anyone to be our future HC for the long term.

I know that it sounds great in theory, but that's the prime reason most teams wait until the end of the regular season to fire their HC.

I don't blame you for feeling this way. The Haslams have obviously made their share of bad decisions here.

I hope common sense will prevail. Dorsey is the football guy. He's made many good decisions already and this is a chance for him to put his stamp on the football team (beyond the players) and to hire people who get along and share a similar vision for the franchise.

This was a problem with Hue/Sashi and Hue/Haley, people who had different visions for the franchise or who just didn't get along.

I lean toward the idea that a football franchise should have one main guy. Different structures can work. It can be the head coach or the GM. For the Browns, it will obviously be the GM with Dorsey.

We can learn from the Rams and Sean McVay. You don't have to just look at the best teams and the big names. There is coaching talent out there, a lot of people who see the inefficiencies in the NFL and how to improve them. The person should also have some life in them. They need to be a leader of men.

Earlier this year, it was common to hear that the #1 overall pick would be the most important decision Dorsey would have to make. There was some truth there, but I don't think it was the whole truth.

Picking the right head coach is probably even more important than that. I know opinions differ on that... but you can miss on the #1 overall pick and still recover. QBs come from many places. It's hard to come back from a whiff on the head coach though, which can easily set the organization back years.

About Mayfield as the #1 overall pick-- despite some rookie woes and offensive struggles in recent weeks, there's still no other player from the 2018 draft that I'd rather have than Mayfield. That discussion is probably better for another thread. I just left it here because it's one of the factors in my trust for Dorsey, who is (or should be) leading the search for our next head coach.

So when are we going to decide which coach is going to be shellacked by the Chiefs?

So we have the same QB, same WRs (unless we get Higgins back from injury), same RB, same Oline, same OC and system.... but now we're magically going to capitalize on turnovers and move the ball.

Cool, sounds good.

Time to move on, no dramas please, just like when Sashi was fired.

We don't need to know any details,just get back to work has soon has possible.

It was utterly ridiculous that Haslam brought Hue back this year and saddled Dorsey with Hue.

The arranged marriage was never going to work and forcing Haley on Hue was more gasoline on the fire. It was evident on Hard Knocks that Haley and Hue would not work well together.

The team has clearly been regressing and trending in the wrong direction. The players were quitting on Hue.

Hue was a horrible leader and came across as insecure and weak.

Firing Hue will not necessarily lead to more wins, but the reason Hue needed to go now was because of the toxic invite he was creating and the lasting impact it would have on Baker.

Everything this franchise does needs to be about providing Baker the best environment to succeed.

Thankfully, the Hue era and the black cloud he brought hanging over the franchise is now gone.

Haslam must let Dorsey hire his guy and setup a structure where the HC reports to the GM and the GM to the owner.

This is smart. Mayfield is the most important factor at this point.

https://www.9news.com/article/sports/nfl...ch/73-609172111


Cleveland Browns fire head coach Hue Jackson, Al Saunders named interim head coach

Unless Riley really is the guy they want then you are correct. It allows them to talk to college coaches and that is it.

When you see Al Saunders is now the HC:

I'm glad there is finally an adult (Dorsey) in the room in Berea.

Mayfield getting caught up in the Haley/Hue struggle is the reason it was time to cut bait with Hue, obviously among other things.

Yeah and I'm not really sure how it works negotiating with current college coaches.

But any NFL coach, be it DC, OC or HC is off the table until their teams season has ended.