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Kitchens called plays in the last preseason game. Hopefully he and Baker can cook something good up.

I have a feeling that the running game is going to be more of a focal point now.

Wow. Cannot help but root for the guy after watching that vid. I had no idea he was that close to losing his life.

Let's do this Freddie!

is it crazy that i have some faith in him?

You mean the game we won by 20+ points going away? Well, at least I have some hope now.

Hey, why not at this point. We're due for finding out diamond in the rough.

Get'r done Freddie!

To my knowledge, Kitchens has never called plays on any level accept for one preseason game against Detroit.

What could go wrong?

According to Dorsey you would be right.

Lot's. Haley called plays for a long time, so did Hue. They just got canned.


Who else did you have in mind?

The guy has been around the game a long time. He was a QB at Alabama when Gene Stallings was coach. Stallings was a good coach. I am sure that he has picked up something from every coach he played for and worked with.

If it goes wrong the last 8 games, not much different from any of the games we have played since Hue appeared.

I hope he does great. Seems like a good guy.

Kind of the anti-Haley, personality-wise.

Edit: he also seems like the kind of guy Mayfield would work well with. Experienced, played QB, positive.

I have half Alabama roots. Mama was from Alabama. Many are salt of the earth people.

Freddie sounds like salt.

Not as salty as Vers! (I had to.)

I heard he called plays on Madden, though.

Ya gotta start somewhere!

So, Hue is gone. Haley is gone.

Who do YOU put in as o.c.?

Seems I have heard you say that play calling is over rated, or something along those lines.

Ba-zing!!

I don't understand why Todd Haley didn't survive. I'll admit he ruffled some feathers with the Steelers, but I think he lengthened Ben's career by his playcalling.


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Todd Haley was named offensive coordinator on Jan. 24, 2018. Haley has spent the past 21 years coaching in the NFL, including the past six as the offensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

With the Steelers, Haley oversaw one of the top offenses in the league. The Steelers led the NFL with six offensive players selected to the Pro Bowl this past season. Under Haley, wide receiver Antonio Brown led the NFL in receiving yards in 2014 and 2017 and led the league in receptions in 2014 and 2015. Brown also became the first player in NFL history to record five consecutive 100-catch seasons (2013-17). He was named to five Pro Bowls and selected as first team All-Pro four times. Running back Le’Veon Bell finished in the top three in the league in scrimmage yards per game in each of the last four seasons, including leading the NFL with an average of 157.0 yards per game in 2016. Under Haley, Bell was selected to three Pro Bowls and was named first-team All-Pro twice. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was selected to the Pro Bowl the past four years and tied for the NFL lead in passing yards in 2014. Haley also helped center Maurkice Pouncey and guard David DeCastro to multiple Pro Bowl selections.

And he's already better than Hue Jackson.

What does a Baker need, but a Kitchen!

Because he was acting like a child.

Ingredients.

Recipes that you have the ingredients for.

No sense telling him to make a fancy wedding cake with no frosting.

Might have to subsist on unleavened bread for a bit.

Sometimes we need to take the leaven out ... Yes.

Haley is pretty average.
the Steelers have shown they didnt need Haley as their offense is just as lethal this year.
Haley ran a very bland paint by numbers offense in Cleveland

I think personality wise Haley was/is a cancer to a locker room and staff.

But lets be fair here. In his defense, he was told from day 1 we traded for TT, that TT was the starting QB of this team. He was told we were going to play ball control offense and run heavy, and play good defense. So the guy creates and plans for that up until week 3, when Baker comes in. That completely changed the game plan on offense as he is a slinger, but still a rookie who you have to bring along slowly. I would say that more than likely, we only saw about 1/2 of Haley offense here, if that. As a coach, his hands were tied by Hue insistently saying TT was the starter and then again when the entire offense got flipped when Baker came in.

I am not sticking up for the guy, I think he deserved to be fired. But hindsight is 20/20

Fredd!

Unleash the ELF! I want to see this game called. I am practically excited.

Seems his hands are Tide then.
Sorry.
I would settle for that salt of the earth grit in this offense. Hope we roll, Peen!

Kitchens is very well respected. This is his shot to achieve greatness as a coach. The guy knows football.

One thing I did like in the game he called in preseason was the spacing of the receivers. we had different guys attacking different levels.

Hopefully we will run a lot more quick slants with Perelman and Callaway.

Lol.

I want to see an offense that is successful. If it is a throwback to the "Student Body Left/Student Body Right" offense of the 1940 Green Bay Packers, I'm good. If it's some new mutation, I'm good. Just be successful.

I noticed that Haley didn't call a lot of slants in his scheme. Wonder why with a big TE like Njoku, and a pretty solid hands guy like DeValve. Ah, well, water over the dam at this point.

Color me skeptical regarding the RB coach bringing a brand new route tree for the 4th preseason game.

Its nothing new, he has the same playbook but it can be the play selections. Every coach, player or even the educated fan have certain plays that they lean toward.

Daboll loved wr screens. Shurmur loved shallow crosses. Hue loved out patterns. Hell I thought hue had the most diverse passing scheme we have seen, right there with flips. Haley just wasn't that big a fan of other than his run game commitment.

More of that would help some other stuff for an OC. Hope we can hurt them enough to get their attention. Not sure we can win a track meet, especially if we carry a kicker in the gameplan.

I'd like them to keep to a simple, effective plan. As Bruce Lee was once reportedly to have said "It's not what you do it's how well you do it."

To which the obvious corollary here is "It's not what the OC plans or calls, but how well the players execute it."

Same old, same old... if the players we're putting on the field can't get the job done, it doesn't matter what the calls are and they're all going to look like bad calls.

Play calling to get the players in the best spot to make the plays is important as well. A happy medium would be nice. Good play calling and good execution.