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At the end of the day, it isn't different this time until it PROVES itself to be.

We've been through this too many times to hear a move announced and just stand and applaud and lay out a decree "it will FINALLY be different this time!".

Jimmy chases Dorsey away?

The impression left on me after the PC was of Jimmy trying desperately to hold all the power. I think he knows it may not be the correct path. Just hope the GM doesn't tell him to stick it before we see if what's currently cooking is any good.

I don't know. I kind of like the HC reporting to the owner, and not the GM.

I think its a good checks and balance between the HC and GM. Neither should be higher than the other in my book. They should be at level playing fields.

GM get the players. HC puts the guys on the field, and HC tells the GM what position he needs help.

I prefer the more traditional arrangement, where the coach reports to the GM. (unless you hire a real superstar, established coach)

I agree. I wish we'd just do it the "normal" way

If Kevin Costner was our GM, the coaches would report to him.

I agree. I like the coach reporting to the GM.

That isn't to say the head coach shouldn't have a open door to the owners office, he should.

I also like a owner active in meeting when the GM and coach are discussing needs etc. That way he know who wants what and who wants who. He will have a clear understanding on where any difference may be, so when a time might come he has to dismiss one or the other.


Just a comment here, some years ago we had a hands off, stay away owner in Randy Lerner. He was ripped because he didn't care and cared more about a soccer team in England. Now we have a owner who does care, and he does, and people want him to be Randy Lerner.

I don't want Jimmy talking about X's and O's, or being involved in player evaluations and things of that nature, but I do want him involved in the meetings so he knows where everybody stands and he doesn't make a stupid decision based on what somebody tells him and he doesn't have the true facts.


I know you guys and gals. If you came in to a few $billion and were allowed in the club, you'd be involved as all heck. So would I. Jimmy has deep football roots at the college level. He is a fan, just like you and I. I don't see any flaws in the way he is doing this except he has the head coach and GM on equal footing, both reporting to him.

I think the GM should trump the head coach. If he feels the need to keep them equal, maybe he needs a President of the corporation as a buffer between him and the hands on guys. Jimmy is more the Chairman of the Board.

Because he is the interim head coach.? I will bet any takers a strawberry shake that the new coach will report to Dorsey. And jimmy is a type a personality, highly driven highly successful businessman who has found it way more difficult to build a winner than he ever imagined. and he is certainly no idiot. he has hired and fired coaches and gms in an effort to win. Many of those were considered good hires at the time. Did he hire chud?? I think he did and I think most fans liked the hire. He was probably too quick on the trigger to fire him but I remember talk that the team quit on him.

Farmer and Jackson were considered outstanding hires. They just did not work out. The whole sashi/ depodesto experiment was radical but it showed haslem was willing to go out on a limb. I do not know the guy but I would bet if you gave him sodium Pentothal and asked what regrets he had I think canning chud after a year would be one and the other would be the tear down.

If he had any idea that teardown would result in 1-31 he would have said no way in heck. That was a disaster and he knows it. What I find the most unbelievable is that jimmy does not want a winner. He does and I hope that soon we get one.

I thought Haslam made it clear that when he says they report to him, he meant they did it as a group. That's what I got from his statement, not that the coach comes in and reports, and then Dorsey comes in and reports. It was more that they met with him and discussed what was going on. I can't see a problem with that.

The thing is the fans and the media like to spin it that Haslam is telling them how to do their job. I don't think that is even remotely close to what is actually happening.

Diam, watch the PC for yourself.

I watched it start to finish. He said they would look at structure at the end of the season. If Dorsey wants the coach to report to him, he will. This episode shows me that haslem is all in on Dorsey.

I didn't get that feeling. If anything there were a few awkward moments bc Haslem wouldn't say that going forward the HC would report to Dorsey.

I was talking to Diam. And I am not just talking about one sentence. I'm talking about a general feeling of Haslam and the state of things.

I'm not telling Diam what to think. I'm asking him to watch the entire PC and make up his own mind about the direction of the team.

I hope that is okay w/you?

you made a public comment on a public board and I commented on it publicly I think that is how it works.

Not sure I get your point. I was just clarifying that I was not arguing w/you. I was asking Diam to watch the PC and make up his own mind. It had nothing to do w/you and I am not interested in arguing w/you.

But, others have watched it and disagree with your take.

Is that okay?

What take?

I agree, and I see it more as him being an arbitrator between the head Coach and GM.

Hue Jackson described it as an open door policy, which equates to transparency between the department's of a franchise, hopefully working toward a common goal and of one mind.

Anyway as per usual the facts that people want to hear are embellished.

That's for sure. LOL

Because we know that Jimmy Haslam has a great track record of sticking w/his hires and not blowing things up.

Exactly.

As usual, except for some qbs, we agree. LOL

I wasn't angry when we fired Hue. I was just sad and disappointed.

Then, I watched the presser........and man, I got very angry and came on here and went off. Haslam is slime.

And if I am reading his body language and facial expressions correctly, Dorsey is next!

I think that sums it up perfectly.

One more thing...........Diam, I got on your ass a bit for trashing the Haslams. I said it appeared to be different this time. I said they were showing fortitude and I attributed that to Dee's work in the media and being a calming influence on Jimmy. You never agreed w/that.

You were right. I was wrong. My apologies, sir.

I didn't get this, but if Haslam doesn't get out of the way, it won't matter if Dorsey is here or not.

No need to apologize bro ... difference of opinion is all, nothing personal ... unfortunatley for us it turned out worst case ...

I don’t wanna go watch the presser .... i get the feeling its gonna kill my hope ... i dont want to rely purely on luck again ...

Its a really attractive job ... i can’t come to grips with the thief not getting out of the way ...

This could be soooooo good right now .... were in such good shape ...

PLEASE GET LUCKY ... PLEASE GET LUCKY ...

Bro...............I only wanted you to watch the presser because there were two separate opinions of what went down.

I simply asked you to make up your own mind instead of listening to those guys.......or me.

I trusted your judgement.

I think that is fair.

I do get you not wanting to watch it...LOL

I just don't want to argue w/those guys, so I asked you to judge for yourself how much Jimmy has changed.


And thanks for saying I don't need to apologize, but you were right and I was wrong. That's just fair.

And bro ... if we hire a college coach i’m gonna scream ...

And then next years destination may be back to the FACTORY OF SADNESS ....

My guess is you will be screaming.

I think Lincoln Riley will be the next HC of the Browns. It's all about Baker.

As it should be.

I disagree. He has regressed as teams have figured him out.

It isn't fair for other players to take all the blame and not get any credit while Baker gets no blame and all the credit.

That will create a toxic atmosphere.

Dude isn't playing very well. He isn't reading coverages. His accuracy has gotten worse.

I think he has a good shot of being a good qb, but there is no way he is a sure thing.

There is nothing wrong with Baker.

He was saddled with a crappy OC and a crappy HC, a GM who took his #1 WR away, nobody to throw to, nobody to block the blitz, got thrown in instead of sitting and learning because the starting QB was garbage.

Pretty sure Baker would have been ok with being drafted by anyone else right now.

Look bro ... Neither of us knows what transpired within the Browns office and behind the public's eye.

I rooted for Hue to have success because that would have meant that the team was also.

Jimmy might be what people say he is ,but if we had two Professional adults behaving like children, then shame on them.

That is not creating a winning culture in my book.

QB is the most important position in all of sports.

Baker has shown enough that you need to nurture his development. If successful, it should lead to successful seasons for 10+ years.

While I agree he has regressed, I don't think you can dismiss the effect of the Hue/Haley relationship on his play the last few games.

And as for him getting all the credit and no blame and the players getting mad about that, is that really a factor here? You've mentioned this multiple times. The guy defects all the praise and consistently takes all the blame. These are all adults here. If these guys are getting hurt because they feel slighted by the attention the QB is getting, maybe they should pick a different sport. That's just the way it is in the NFL.

It amazes me that you have called me out a few times w/in the last 2 days, but you never said a freaking word when guys constantly made crap up about Hue, such as when peenie said Hue was weak after watching Hard Knocks. You know, the same episode in which Hue lost his mother and was on the practice field at the scheduled time and never said a word to his players.

Is that weak?

Yet, you never said a word about that or similar posts.

Get outta my face.

And, with all your maturity and intelligence.............you say "peenie". Way to be a grown up.

One thing that, perhaps you have forgotten: Hue's record.

Stalker.

Good grief! Give your dance partner a call you're in need of a pick me up.

By your leave.

Dorsey hit on the draft, he's not gone. Been too many years we whiffed on high picks for Jimmy to do that.