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We might want Riley but other than having Mayfield what is there to attract a decent coach to wade into this mess other than someone who is desperate. College coaches always have trouble learning the difference from managing grown men vs college kids. It takes a different type of psychology.

Williams IF he stays and that is a BIG IF isn't going to just play nice to some rookie out of college. The team would get split into two teams run by two different HCs. Williams for the defense and whoever comes in on offense. Not just anyone can deal with a strong willed DC like williams. I would love if we could keep him though and the new coach or HC just let williams due his job and leave the defense alone.

1 of only 32 such jobs

Dorsey

Mayfield
Garrett
Ward
Randall
Schobert
Ogunjobi
Ogbah
Avery
Landry
Njoku
Chubb
Duke

Lots of young talent

9 or 10 draft picks next year

Tons of cap space to re-sign our free agents, and to sign other teams free agents

Gaines might be our biggest UFA.

Despite our past, there is a lot to make this one of the more attractive coaching destinations.

Didn’t we hear slot of the same things about Chip Kelly? Offensive innovator etc.? How is the Lincoln Riley situation any different?

Not every coach who comes to the NFL from the college ranks flops.

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Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney

If we want to hire a winner, better hire a coach that has won something.

Don't get all the Riley hype, honestly.

I would call Kelly a flop. Some of these guys had prior NFL experience. I do see a few that had success going directly to the NFL but it concerns me.

Cross Urban off due to health issues and cross Saban off...he will only retire from that job

Matt Campbell routinely outperforms teams with better talent than him. There are quite a few college coaches who may never make a play off because they'll never be able to produce the high end talent that gets teams to the playoffs.

Then they will be hired by the top programs and win someday.

Either a college winner or an NFL standout, keep it simple.

Why would you hire a guy from a small program, he does not know how to drive such a big ship.

I've done a 180 from about 10 years ago. I used to be against hiring young college guys who are unproven at top tier jobs, now that's what I want. I think it's the way football is headed innovatively.

They keep evolving with the players they get out of high school.

Not if Iowa State continues to pay him 4 mil a year. Kirk Ferentz makes 4.5 mil a year and he's been there for quite awhile. Lovie Smith was hired for 3.5 mil a year. Not a lot of teams can afford 4 mil a year coaches. Scott Frost and Tom Herman got hired at 4.5, but their schools are bigger and their resumes are more impressive. I just checked, Lincoln Riley was hired at 3.1 mil a year, he now makes 5. Personally, I want Toab. However, I was on record last year that I wanted Hue gone and Nagy in. But I was laughed at because we needed the continuity. Other than WRs, are the Bears that much different than the Browns?

My current favorite is: Dan Campbell New Orleans - Assistant HC/TE Coach

He has (seems to have) the qualities and experiences that I value in a head coach.

1, he has NFL experience - his is both as a player and a coach. I think this is important because the NFL culture and the college culture are different.

2, He has successful experience as a head coach, either NFL or college - Yes, I consider a 5-7 record after taking over as interim HC of the floundering Miami Dolphins to be successful. Being a great coordinator is not productive of being a great HC. The necessary personality characteristics are different. An OC could be the greatest offensive mind in the history of the NFL. That doesn't mean that he will be able to make the transition to HC. All this guys are knowledgeable about the game. This is a tough transition. Belichek had struggles as a 1st time HC. He readily admits that in Cleveland he took too much upon himself and has since learned to delegate more. I think that is one of the biggest problems with 1st time HC's. They want to be their own coordinator. Hue, Shurmur, McDanial ... There is just sooo much to do that one guy can't do it all

3, He seems like a no nonsense take to sheet kinda guy. There greatest coaches in the football are no nonsense kind of guys. BB, Parcels, Paul Brown, Nick Sabin, Urban. Some are non nonsense no fun like BB. Others are no nonsense, but also able to have fun with the players, Sean Peyton, Dabo Sweeney. I think this characteristic is important because while these are grown men, many are young men still growing up. They need the lines drawn and enforced. Teams need that discipline.

4, He seems energetic/enthusiastic. The HC needs to be able to exude enthusiasm and instill it into the players.


Are all four of these mandatory for a guy to be a successful HC? Of course not. But I think the fewer of these qualities a guy has, the more likely you are to swing and miss. Looking back, Hue IMO had only #1, Shurmur had #1 and #3. Looking forward, I also like Dabo Sweeney, he has #'s 2, 3 and 4. I don't think he has #1 but he seems to have the type of personality that could adjust.


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First is that I use the word seems a lot in this post. I don't know these guy personally so I am going by my impression with only limited 1st hand knowledge.
Second, Another thing that I like about Campbell is that he is well versed in the Saints offense, Not only is he one of their offensive coaches but he also played for Sean Peyton when he was a player. If there was ever an offense built for Baker it is that Saints offense.

Chip Kelly wasn’t considered a flop ... that may be the first sign the bars a wee bit to low ...

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Lets go down that rabbit hole shall we ... will be interested to see what the results are ... lets see just how far the game has evolved ... shall we .... u in? ... let me know ...

If so, we need to agree on what to look at .... cause i wanna see PROOF of your SUPPOSITION ... thats how it works .. right? ... u say sumptin ... someone questions what u say ... u or in this case we look at the proof and see if what u say bears out ...

who are the top QB’s today since this is a qb driven league and thats where this “innovation” u speak of comes from ...

Who at the qb’s on the top o’s today ...

Let me know if your in and if so if your OK going down my rabbit holes or you’d like to prove your premise in a different way ...

I’D LIKE TO SEE THE PROOF BRO ...

Matt Campbell is a definite possibility for Ohio State. I think they'll pay him more than Iowa St.

I would have Dan Campbell on my list as well... I'd have to think Zac Taylor from the Rams would be a great pick for OC and they'd make a great tandem somewhere...

I actually think the game percolates from fcs and division 2 college teams rather than hs or the fbs.

Kelly turned out to be a super douche.

It really isn't something that can be argued. All you have to do is look at how the style of the game has changed.

No doubt guys like Brees are still at the top of the heap, but you aren't seeing those guys entering all the much anymore. Geoff would be one to help prove your point. I don't think Wentz does to any large degree.

RPO's were hardly ever run 10 years ago unless it was some gimmick play. It wasn't a real part of the offense.

By the way, I don't think there is a rabbit hole big enough for the two of us anymore.

The crazier the offense, the crazier the person. Mike Leach, Gundy, Chip, gotta be true for everyone else

... good one about the rabbit holes bro ...

How about this ... how about we watch th 3 youngins who may fit your new style of play seeping not the nfl ...

Dak, Watson and wentz ...

Lets watch how they evolve over the next 3 years or so ... we’ll see how they develop ....

Does that sound like a good sample group ...

Might want to put Mahomes and Baker in that group as well.

How does Bake fit? ...

Mahomes works ...

Just to add a side note to Peen and Diam's discussion, Terrell Pryor was an example of the wide-open HS style that succeeded in college and failed, kinda, in the pro's. However, I agree with Peen in the thought that the classic drop-back passer will be a thing of the past sooner than later. It's simply an effect of older coaches retiring, and younger coaches coming up who are more experienced with the "wide open" style. JMHO

Gotta Say. I am NOT in favor of College Coaches with no NFL experience being hired. The game is different. The job is different. College is recruiting and being a father figure. The schemes are much more simplified both because of talent level and because these kids, especially the good ones, may only be there 2 years. Plus add their academic workload...And you can't get too crazy.

With that said. If there are any college coaches out there I would be ok with it would be Lincoln Riley and Matt Campbell.

Both have great leadership qualities. Both are young and willing to adapt instead of being set in their ways. And if anyone is thinking Riley is going to just bring Oklahoma's playbook and be done with it is either completely naive, or just being an ass to make a point and be right.

The philosophies will come...and you know what...possibly a couple plays...But it is the man behind the philosophies that is most important. And I think both Campbell and Riley have traits that can make them successful NFL Coaches

Riley is an offensive genius at a very young age. And it isn't a system like Texas Tech Air Raid which would get destroyed in the NFL...Ask Buddy Ryan how he likes that type of Offense...LOL (ok just showed my age with that one...lol) It isn't Chip Kelly kill them with tempo type of offense...It is a legitimate system and philosophy based on keeping defenses off balance and guessing and balancing the run and pass. And that is what would be coming...the man and the philosophies.

Still not in favor of College coaches with no NFL experience...

j/c:

I think there are a couple of posters on this board who actually played football , so I'll let them address this instead of you guys just taking my word for it.

The new, innovative, wide-open offenses that some people are talking about are not so new. Most are jazzed up versions of extremely old offenses such as the Wing-T.

"There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know."

Harry S Truman

Another quality football post. lmao

Even power stuff like single wing can brutalize people, but not a great passing offense. But some Football of the Elders still has a principled place today. NFL is more sophisticated, techniques get technical, but Football is still "Did you whip your man or not?"

I think the NFL can neutralize any attacker and shut down a player. Maybe not at first. But the great ones keep producing more than expected.

If Mike McCarthy becomes available, we should get him.

What has Mike McCarthy done well as a head coach besides have Aaron Rodgers as his QB?

IF he comes with Rodgers i MIGHT CONSIDER it ...

I dunno ... i’d Have to think about it ... ...

I don't put as much stock in coaching at the NFL level as most folks do, but McCarthy is pretty bad.

i'm always skeptical when a coach/great QB are linked for so long

I put my vote in for Lincoln Riley, but I think Dorsey picks Matt Campbell if Haslem lets him.

I agree. He gets a 8 game head start on things. I would be thrilled if it works out and we don't have to make much change in the coaching ranks.

Lets see where it goes.

I have no clue who Dorsey is looking at. Based on his drafting record, I think we have a better than average chance of getting a good HC.