DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A Farewell and Thank You to Sashi ...

I’d like to hear from Steel Hack ... HACK ... u around? ..

What’d we get in Hubbard? ... i haven’t talked to my brother yet .... I didn’t think he was very good ... but I didn’t focus on him ...

I wonder if he needs help on a fairly consistent basis .... i hope not ...

Someone ask VERS what his stiler fan family members say about him for me please .... thanks ....

I ALWAYS hope that Browns players succeed. I'd love to be wrong about Coleman and our LT position be set for years to come without any further investment at the position. That would be the perfect scenario for everyone involved.

But I just can't ignore stating what I see in the kid. I also can't ignore everyone thought the world was ending when Joe announced his retirement and then suddenly woke up a couple of days later and said," Why didn't I see it!? The answer was staring me in the face all along!" lmao

The bolded part is a exaggeration of what posters are saying. They are saying maybe he can, lets give him a chance to prove himself. That's a far cry from being convinced that he is the answer.

Seems that Coleman was drafted as a guy to take over for Joe. He wasn't drafted to beat out Joe. What was he supposed to do the last 2 years? He wasn't moved from LT because he couldn't play the position. He was never put there to begin with. We had a guy named Joe Thomas.


We'll just have to see how it plays.

j/c...

They're making T-shirts in Sashi's honor now!......



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Not many. lol

That seems far more like a conclusion than a statement.

Seeing as how they had just let Schwartz walk and we had NO CLUE WHEN JOE WOULD RETIRE at that point ...

I’m going with he was drafted to fill the NEWLY CREATED HOLE at RT ... now .. maybe they thought he could eventually slide over to the left .. but thats not why we drafted him .. NOT EVEN CLOSE IMO ...

I followed the links and ordered mine, I'll be wearing it on draft day!

They pretty-much knew that Coleman was going to sit out his first year. That doesn't excuse the Schwartz debacle though.

j/c

The next #thankssashi will come when the Squeelers cut Haden...ultimately saving Dorsey from having to have been the bad guy.

This is all water under the bridge but the outcomes of Sashi's tenure are all there for all to see. 1-31, Picks, cap space. It's a shame he didn't have someone like Dorsey alongside him IMHO - I think that may have worked, but egos and that, who knows. I think he had some innovative ideas and some of the not so good moves (Schwartz, Haden, McCown) may have (potentially) been countered with someone with a bit more experience.

I will always be grateful we didn't send a 2nd and 3rd for AJ regardless of the real reasons behind that, even if AJ lights it up in Buffalo. That looked so knee jerk.

I don't think any of the main protagonists saw us going 0-16 year 2. That caused a fraction of friction (!). Like I said, water under the bridge. If Dorsey et al cannot fashion us an NFL like team with what they were given, they should walk the same plank. They have 2 drafts in one and more cap space than most teams. I hope we finally see some success. We deserve it, just based on probability let alone anything else..

Was never a Sashi supporter,but how did someone prefer Hue "bus driver" Jackson over Sashi is amazing.

Just watching the way Hue handled is firing is reason enough to praise Sashi.

Was just praising Sashi on his behavior after being fired, I think it tell is a lot about the ones involved.

I think Dorsey has showed some good actions, I actually didn't like him,but he's growing on me.

Good point. Just reading a couple of my scorching takes about Sashi, I have to admit that I was wrong. Or at least overreacted.

Hue had me fooled for a while too.

I don't think Sashi was great. Obviously there was a plan to acquire many draft picks and put the team in great cap space, and he succeeded on those fronts. He could have done a better job with the picks he did have, but as I wrote in many of these threads, this team might have been 5-11 bad (this was the Vegas over/under in 2017), I might even accept 3 wins bad, but it was never 0 wins bad! That is on Hue.

Consider this an open apology to Sashi. I wouldn't hire you as an NFL GM again, but you also did some good things and gave really an unprecedented amount of assets for John Dorsey to work with, and he has been busy cashing those in. I respect some of the things you did (some of the trade downs not involving Wentz come to mind), how you had the Browns best interest at heart and didn't get snookered for a half season of AJ McCarron, and how you exited gracefully despite being attacked by Hue's friends in the media.

Now that both are gone, it would be interesting to see a poll of users who think which one of the two did more to benefit the organization.

Probably not a good idea. It would invite too much heated 'discussion'...

I thought that’s why it would be a good idea.

Sashi at least left a pile of draft picks and an unprecedented amount of cap space, which is more than what many departing GMs can say.

Hue was so bad at everything that eventually all his authority was stripped away. It's still not even really clear what he did here in his third year, other than quarrel with other coaches.

Sashi wins this one be default.

Also, tip of the cap to Diam for basically saying all the parts about Sashi back in March.

I still don't want people to take this as an endorsement of Sashi, it's not, but I can see the other part of it as well.

Stir the pot, Tulsa. Seriously though, we have a few posters who are very sensitive to this issue right now and this could be too incendiary...

Figure it has still only been five days since we changed coaches. It's still fair discussion.. maybe others see it differently.

I do hope it stays in the Hue thread going forward, or I guess in this thread since Sashi and Hue were so intertwined, and neither are with the Browns anymore.

Sashi did what he was hired to do. Tear down the team, build up draft capitol and accumulate cap space then fall on the sword. In the process, he got us a few pretty good/decent players. Myles Garrett, Ogunjobi, Ogbah, Shobert, Higgins, Njoku, Devalve.

He had some major misses. He didn't get us a Qb which should have been a priority (unclear how much input Hue had in that). Corey Coleman ...

As the first Cardinal of the Church of Sashi, we are always accepting new members. Just remember that Sashi died so that we could live.

Don't hold your breath.

Sashi only made the Browns more of a laughing stock of the NFL than this franchise already was.
he gets so music praise for what??
giving the Browns alot of cap space some extra draft picks.
what has it amounted too?
exactly.

I can't figure out why the Sashi thread keeps coming back... Give it up dudes... he's gone. His job was to find a QB and he did not do that... The consequence of him not doing his job was the Browns lost a bunch of games... The nail in the coffin was passing on Wentz and Watson made him look foolish, which he was.

Passing on Wentz hurt, there's no doubt about that. Even more so for trading down and drafting Corey Coleman.

I don't really fault him for passing on Watson though. Watson really isn't on the same level as Wentz (despite all the fanfare) and the future first we got from the Watson trade ended up being Denzel Ward.

There certainly was a few - a lot ? - of Wentz supporters. But they were not the majority. The majority felt the same way about Wentz as many felt about Josh Allen this year ... that's my recollection. I thought #2 was too high for a guy coming from Went'z level of competition. . . revising opinions about players based on how they do in the NFL and revising where they should have been drafted because of it is fruitless. It's like the guy who drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round claiming they had a 1st round grade on him but waited till the 6th to draft him s.m.h .... jmo

The Eagles won a Super Bowl with a back up QB. This team couldn't win a game with any amount of QBs. Hue was supposed to be a QB whisperer, but it never turned out. I doubt Wentz would've played at his level under Hue.

The phrase QB whisperer is overused and kind of lame, if you ask me.

If we're going to use it though, there's one QB whisperer in this league that stands out above the rest, and that's Andy Reid.

Tom Brady wouldn't have played like he has if he were drafted by us. No QB could be successful here with the environment that has been created over the years.

There's a huge difference between what fans and the media think verses what people who make seven figure salaries to figure this all out think. At least there should be. That's why they make seven figure salaries to figure it out. Look at this past draft. There were a few posters and media darlings that had Mayfield as the #1 pick, but not many. And even fewer posters had Ward as our second pick.

That's why Dorsey gets paid the big bucks. I've always found it odd when posters try to compare what the media and fan base think about draft picks as some gauge as to what NFL GM's actually do. There's a reason they make millions and nobody else does to make such decisions. And if I'm paying that kind of money to someone to make those decisions, I'm holding them accountable for the decisions they make.

Posters on this board didn't have to get the Wentz pick right but Sashi did.

I do not think Sashi was hired based on his knowledge of QB's... Its an aberration. Football guys should be accountable on getting the talent, GM's on making deals.

Do you even know the name of the Raiders GM, does Gruden Blame the GM?

Only in here, this aberration was possible. You hire a coach because he knows about QB's and then fire the GM because he missed several, and people believe in this...

If NFL HC's made the picks you wouldn't need a GM. Stop claiming Sashi wasn't hired to do his job. Gruden makes 10 mil. a year for 10m years. He was hired to do it all.

So your claim is a HC with exactly one year of HC experience when he was hired, was supposed to be the HC, OC and make the draft picks? Mmmmm, hmmmmm.

Doesn't sound so smart when you see it in print does it?

I'll "move" this here because some members of the community have difficulty with civil conversations.

Someone once put a little gif up of a guy beating a dead horse. Wish I had it now...

A couple points of interest from the other thread.

Mayfield > Wentz and Watson

So if the theory is Sashi was let go due to passing on Wentz and Watson then he did us a favor.

However I don't believe that theory holds water because people forget the fact that Hue had a say in the quarterbacks. Hue was quoted as saying he didn't want Wentz at #2, and that he wanted Hooker over Watson.

I would also contend that Sashi knew in 2016 that the 2018 draft was listed with quarterback talent. A team like the giants seerey themselves back for the next 5-8 years because they foolishly drafted Barkley over one of the potential franchise quarterbacks. Unless they somehow get lucky they will be forced to make do with a bridge quarterback.


I laugh when people say they don't give credit to Sashi for drafting Garrett because it was a no brainer. Mayfield was equally a no brainer. I know there's a debate that there was no clear cut favorite, but there was. Yes some teams were thinking about someone else, but Mayfield was the coveted one.

Uh oh. Where's this dead horse?