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With all due respect, the Browns felt the need to make a press release about conferring powers to their General Manager that he should already have. It *should* go without saying. That said, yes, it does show growth, so I'm encouraged. But I can't help wondering why it took so long.
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No offense to the poster who posted the article about Dorsey "leading" the search for the next HC, but that isn't exactly news.
Of course, he's leading it. That was never in doubt, was it?
I want to know if Jimmy Haslam is still going to be part of the process or not? It would be great if he isn't, but I doubt that is going to happen. And if Jimmy really likes one candidate and despises the guy Dorsey really likes, do you really think Dorsey is going to pick his guy? LMAO
This is a public relations ploy. Nothing more, nothing less.
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This is a public relations ploy. Nothing more, nothing less. No, its clearly a departure from the "collaborative" approach (including himself and Dee) that he was trumpeting for finding our next coach at the presser when they fired Hue. I fully expect him, or any NFL owner, to want veto rights over any hire, but I see this as him letting his football people come up with their best candidate. Its a very positive development, IMO.
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Word out of Boston is Josh McDaniels is interested in the Browns job, and the interest is mutual. https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/11/04/josh-mcdaniels-cleveland-browns-coachMcDaniels was in love with Mayfield leading up to the draft, and I guess Haslam and McDaniels are on very good terms. Haslam wanted to hire McDaniels back when we hired Chud but Banner got in the way of that and caused a big fuss leading to us not getting McDaniels. Haslam really likes McDaniels, and if McDaniels is serious about wanting to leave New England (Filling Bellichik's shoes isn't going to happen) don't be suprised if Haslam steps in and hires McDaniels instead of whomever Dorsey wants. I myself am not a big McDaniels fan at all, but it wouldn't surprise me that he ends up our next Head coach if he wants to leave NE simply due to the fact that Haslam really wants him badly and wanted him badly before. I could see Dorsey being forced to go along with it. If any of the Bellichik disciples are to work out, it would be McDaniels...just saying.
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I hope that Dorsey will be able to run the process,and hire the coach .....as well as having that coach report directly to him.
I want no part of McDaniels, so I hope that Haslam stays out of this.
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I was actually a fan of Josh before we hired Hue. I think he did a good job as HC in Denver. Problem was, he did a crappy job as the Gm.
But after the way he handled the Colts situation last year, I lost all respect for him.
As an aside, before we hired one of our precious coaches, for the life of me I don't remember which one (can you blame me), I had gone back and looked at the previous 20 years or so of head coaches who lead their teams to super bowl wins. A large percentage were in their 2nd stint as HC and had made the playoffs with their 1st team, without having won a super bowl.
I think taking a team to the playoffs shows that they are able to be a good HC but that after winning a super bowl with one team, human nature takes the edge off their drive.
I know I previously posted it but don't have a clue how to find it and don't have the time to redo it. Obviously the numbers have changed with the Eagles win. I don't even remember who had won the year prior to that. Dang, I'm getting old.
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I don't want McDaniels, he would be way down my list of choice, but if he was hired we would at least have a modern offense. I just don't trust McDaniels to stay in his lane. Also, he might have a hard time getting a staff together after screwing some guys last year.
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No thanks. Dude can't motivate men. We need that.
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no to mcdaniels ... dont trust that one
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With all due respect, the Browns felt the need to make a press release about conferring powers to their General Manager that he should already have. It *should* go without saying. That said, yes, it does show growth, so I'm encouraged. But I can't help wondering why it took so long. Trust in Dorsey? That only builds over time. Vers made a comment about is Dorsey leading this, but is he going to be picking the coach? I agree. Ultimately the owner hires the coach, so he and she will have some say in the matter. No way around that no matter the team. However, Dorsey needs to have 95% of the say on who should be the head coach. It doesn't matter if the owners like or dislike the guy. They can fire Dorsey and the coach 3 years down the road if they don't like the product. What needs to happen is that Dorsey and whoever have the same vision on players, the type of team we want to field, and they can work together. The coach needs to report to the GM. No more dual pipeline to the owners office. That creates division. Not to get in to who said what and who was good, bad, or somewhere in between, but that set up had Sashi and Hue not speaking to each other...it just created a bad environment that we don't need to create again.
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My first thought is “not McDaniels” but if that was Dorsey’s choice, then I would be OK with the hire. If Haslam makes the call then I will not be happy. And I don’t see a situation where Haslam over rules Dorsey on the coaching hire ending well. I think unlike some of our GMs, Dorsey has options and will not be willing to have his reputation ruined based upon Haslam’s decisions.
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I'm really warming to the idea of either:
Arians as HC, Kitchins as OC and Williams as DC
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Lincoln Riley
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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My very premature and relatively uneducated list would probably be:
Arians ( primarily if we had a HC in waiting also on the staff i.e. Kitchens)
Shanahan
DeFilipo (SP?)
Dan Campbell
Eric Bienemy,Josh McDaniel, Byron Leftwich
Lincoln Riley
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Kyle - OC 49ers.
Seems he got a raw deal last time he was in Cleveland and has been pretty successful since he left. Not sure whom he had the conflict with in Cleveland over Manziel but I am thinking it was Farmer.(If it was Haslam then forget I brought up his name.)
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Kyle - OC 49ers.
Seems he got a raw deal last time he was in Cleveland and has been pretty successful since he left. Not sure whom he had the conflict with in Cleveland over Manziel but I am thinking it was Farmer.(If it was Haslam then forget I brought up his name.) Right. He is the head coach of the 49ers right now and is not going anywhere.
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Oh, my bad. I was thinking he was the OC for the 49ers. So I guess he is off the list.
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I like the first choice. Why so high on Riley for NFL HC?
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Considering Haslam was the one who picked the head coaches previously, I'd say this is definitely newsworthy and hopefully a step in the right direction (and hopefully true).
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McDaniels was in love with Mayfield leading up to the draft, and I guess Haslam and McDaniels are on very good terms. Haslam wanted to hire McDaniels back when we hired Chud but Banner got in the way of that and caused a big fuss leading to us not getting McDaniels. A good working relationship between HC-QB would be ideal. I have no problems with the mini-me hooded one taking the reigns. Mayfield has the qualities McDaniels loves but he's a much better quarterback than Tebow.
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No thanks. Dude can't motivate men. We need that. I disagree. I think the relationship between QB and HC is of utmost importance... that is what we need and I think McDaniels and Mayfield would be a great pair for years.
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Probably would mean Kitchens would remain...don't know about Williams I don't see why not...
Good HC and would keep a lot of continuity here. Nice to know we got that much young talent that he would say something like that... Only for the Browns 
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Bieniemy is a name I've heard, and the DC of the Pats
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Totally agree.
Josh and Baker would make a good team in my opinion.
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No thanks. Dude can't motivate men. We need that. I disagree. I think the relationship between QB and HC is of utmost importance... that is what we need and I think McDaniels and Mayfield would be a great pair for years.
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Browns put GM John Dorsey in charge of head-coaching search Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer General manager John Dorsey will lead the search for the next Cleveland Browns head coach, a team spokesman confirmed Wednesday. The next coach will replace Hue Jackson, who was fired Oct. 29, one day after a loss at the Pittsburgh Steelers. The final decision on selecting the coach will be made by Dorsey and owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam, with Dorsey's recommendation weighing heavily. The decision is significant because Jimmy and Dee Haslam led the search to hire Jackson, and Jimmy Haslam assisted Joe Banner in the search to hire Mike Pettine and Rob Chudzinski. For a variety of reasons, chiefly not enough wins, none of the coaches lasted three years. Dorsey's experience in scouting and player personnel give him strong contacts throughout the NFL and in college football. He has not yet commented on how he might go about the search. The Browns' next hire will inherit some key pieces that could lead to a winning team, fueled by a quarterback in Baker Mayfield, a pass-rusher in Myles Garrett, a cornerback in Denzel Ward and talented running backs in Nick Chubb and Duke Johnson Jr. In a best-case scenario, the right coach could bring the team together for future success. The team's future organizational structure after the new hire has yet to be determined. Jimmy Haslam previously had it arranged that the coach and general manager/vice president reported to him. Having the coach report to Dorsey would be an option. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25210540/john-dorsey-lead-cleveland-browns-coaching-search
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I hope that Dorsey will be able to run the process,and hire the coach .....as well as having that coach report directly to him.
I want no part of McDaniels, so I hope that Haslam stays out of this. Mary Kay and Rueter are reporting he will have "full authority" in the Browns coaching search so that is good news. There is still two things that concern me..... 1. When we get to the actual process (2 months away) will Haslem change his mind? I don't trust him to be hands off until I see it. 2. Is Dorsey good at picking Head Coaches? I think we all are hoping (assuming really) that he can find the right guy, but to the best of my knowledge he has never hired a HC before. There is no guarantee that he is a miracle worker in that regard. Our best bet though is to hope (assume) that Dorsey knows what he is doing in that regard, and pray Haslem doesn't have a change of heart and get involved.........because we know he sucks at hiring Head Coaches.
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The more that Haslam stays out of it the more optimistic I become.
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Man o man. I hope this is true.
Candidates will accept and be open to Dorsey.
They will be cold, closed and suspicious of Haslam.
Fingers crossed, hoping for the best - this could be the best news we've had in a long time. I’ve asked u too CROSS YOUR FINGERS and TOES since the day Hue was fired .. LETS GO .. EVERYONE .. Fingers and toes .. I mean it ... i’m NOT PLAYING ... 
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No thanks. Dude can't motivate men. We need that. I disagree. I think the relationship between QB and HC is of utmost importance... that is what we need and I think McDaniels and Mayfield would be a great pair for years. I'm not a fan of the OC-HC. Too much focus goes on the QB, to the detriment of the rest of the team. I agree the OC-QB relationship is Paramount, but think the HC should have a broader focus. I think the collective coaching staff is at least as important as the HC. Who the guy can bring with him is as important as who the guy is. Can he keep them all on the same page? Do they work well together/complement each other?
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No thanks. Dude can't motivate men. We need that. I disagree. I think the relationship between QB and HC is of utmost importance... that is what we need and I think McDaniels and Mayfield would be a great pair for years. I'm not a fan of the OC-HC. Too much focus goes on the QB, to the detriment of the rest of the team. I agree the OC-QB relationship is Paramount, but think the HC should have a broader focus. The head coach play caller is fine. The head coach offensive coordinator is not. It puts too much on their plate.
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I've been mulling this over since the announcement was made.
I'm not familiar enough with the college ranks to know who is legitimately in consideration. For the same reason Jester said above - I wouldn't like the McDaniels hire after what he did with the Colts.
I've settled on my first choice - assuming Harbaugh gets canned in Baltimore, he's the guy I would want. If he is not available - then I'll have to start over.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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From what I have heard and researched these are my candidates for now 1. Bruce Arians 2. John Harbaugh 3. Matt Campbell 4. Lincoln Riley
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Browns put GM John Dorsey in charge of head-coaching search Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer General manager John Dorsey will lead the search for the next Cleveland Browns head coach, a team spokesman confirmed Wednesday. The next coach will replace Hue Jackson, who was fired Oct. 29, one day after a loss at the Pittsburgh Steelers. The final decision on selecting the coach will be made by Dorsey and owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam, with Dorsey's recommendation weighing heavily. The decision is significant because Jimmy and Dee Haslam led the search to hire Jackson, and Jimmy Haslam assisted Joe Banner in the search to hire Mike Pettine and Rob Chudzinski. For a variety of reasons, chiefly not enough wins, none of the coaches lasted three years. Dorsey's experience in scouting and player personnel give him strong contacts throughout the NFL and in college football. He has not yet commented on how he might go about the search. The Browns' next hire will inherit some key pieces that could lead to a winning team, fueled by a quarterback in Baker Mayfield, a pass-rusher in Myles Garrett, a cornerback in Denzel Ward and talented running backs in Nick Chubb and Duke Johnson Jr. In a best-case scenario, the right coach could bring the team together for future success. The team's future organizational structure after the new hire has yet to be determined. Jimmy Haslam previously had it arranged that the coach and general manager/vice president reported to him. Having the coach report to Dorsey would be an option. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25210540/john-dorsey-lead-cleveland-browns-coaching-search
He got himself his Football guy. Haslam was against firing Hue, but he let his football guy run the show. Then all the belly aching that Haslam was going to do the picking. If that was truly the case then HUE WOULD BE HERE!
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From what I have heard and researched these are my candidates for now 1. Bruce Arians 2. John Harbaugh 3. Matt Campbell 4. Lincoln Riley Why not Dabo Sweeney, Dorsey likes winners...
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I had no doubt about this... All this HASLAM hate stuff was pretty annoying. He ain't that bad of an owner. Haslam has hired three unsuccessful front offices (Banner, Farmer, and Sashi Brown) and three unsuccessful head coaches (Chud, Pettine, and Hue). He bought the team in 2012. If there is anything we can all be sure about, it's that Haslam has been a horrible owner.
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