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His age is the concern. Even if he’s good, we’d have to be looking for a new coach in two or three years.

Was this KC Assistant Toub there when Dorsey was there?

He could possibly be here 4-5 years and we could have his replacement here working under him ... Just a thought

Knowing Jimmy Haslam, we're going to be looking for a new coach in two or three years no matter how old the next HC is.

And no, that is not an endorsement for Arians.

j/c:



A piece from a larger article but thought it was relevant for this topic.

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/11/6/...owns-head-coach

I could definately see why Patricia would be favored by someone like DePo and/or Sashi. If I recall correctly, Patricia definately has an analytics bend to him.

Bill Belichick is 66
Pete Carroll is 67

he definitely would with our team if he doesnt already

Personally, I think if Grossi is saying this than there's a good chance he's wrong and Halsem will do the opposite.

Ariens - Ill only come out of retirement for the Browns.

Belichick and Carroll haven't already retired.

If the FO thought Kitchens could be future HC, then Arians would make sense. Kinda like a PAtriots situation.

I thought Bruce retired due in part to health issues..

I'm not sure he can be considered for real....

But a good coach, no question.

We found Dorsey ... LUCK ...

We can find a HC DESPITE the thief ...

We have Dorsey to rely on along with the fact its an EXTREMELY DESIRABLE job and then as a last resort .. we have LUCK ... but unlike when we found Dorsey ... we now have Dorsey along with it being a desirable job and LUCK ...

The FACT the thief and his BS butt wife (sick of hearing about her being this great positive influence .. ) ... FAIL TO REALIZE THERE THE PROBLEM can be overcome ...

If Dorsey gets his guy (and i believe he will .. if he’s smart ..) when round 2 of the interviews come around .. he should have his choice prepped with every single thing the thief wants to hear ...

Dorsey can orchestrate this ... lets hope he’s half as good a conductor as he was in last years draft so far ...

And theres always the SLIM CHANCE that the thief actually gets lucky again and lands on the correct HC in the same manner he arrives at Dorsey .. PURE LUCK AND TIMING ..

Thee’s still a shot bro ..

If Dorsey gets his guy .. the rest of the BS was based on TRUST and the DUMBEST ORG. STRUCTURE EVER ...

Well if Dorsey gets his guy ... there wont be the CUT THROAT infighting the structure the thief set up is the PERFECT INCUBATOR for ... they’ll disagree but it wont be cut throat with a total lack of trust ..

We still got a shot bro ... not even close to ideal ... but its BY FAR THE BEST SHOT WE’VE EVER HAD!!!!

Bruce Arians’ interest underscores attractiveness of Browns job

Posted by Mike Florio on November 6, 2018, 4:11 PM EST



Bruce Arians, potentially the Brett Favre of coaches, retired after the 2011 season, before landing with the Colts in 2012. He retired once again after 2017.

Now working with CBS, Arians recently said he’d consider emerging from retirement for one and only one job — the one in Cleveland.

Regardless of whether Arians will be considered for the position (as noted over the weekend, the biggest question is the threshold matter of who will be making the hiring decision?), his interest underscores the reality that plenty of coaches, fired, retired, and/or currently employed, will want to work for the Browns, so that he can work with Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield.

Over the next two months, plenty of off-the-record, behind-the-scenes discussions will occur, as the Browns reach out to potentially interested candidates, and as potentially interested candidates reach out to the Browns. At some point, the Browns will have to say yes to someone, an inherently stressful proposition since this means they’ll have to say no to everyone else.

As to Arians, it’s easy to say he’d only be interested in the Browns job, given that it’s the only job currently open. It’s safe to say he’d be interested in other jobs, if they come open. Most notably, the opportunity to work with Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay would intrigue any quarterback whisperer, and Arians is one of the best.

It’s also safe to say the Cardinals may want compensation from whoever hires Arians, given that he retired with time left on his contract. That’s precisely what happened when Dick Vermeil emerged from retirement with the Rams to coach the Chiefs in the early years of the last decade.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-of-browns-job/

Would love Arians, but I don't really know if he's up for the gig. Age and health and everything. Would love to see it if he were able to be around for 4-5 years. It would be worth it. Guy wanted the job for so long, well respected, and is great with QB's...

I just hope we get the right guy whoever it is

I feel the same way. I think he is 66 or 67.

I'd also be fine if Arians came in with the idea he wanted to raise up a protege to take over when he is done and help him out in the meantime.

Does Bill Cowher still own that house in Strongsville?

renting it to Arians

I think this would be idea situation for me, outside of getting LR.

That's what I believe the fly in the ointment will be in all of this. And you can replace any name you choose where you have Ariens. The problem is the fact that Haslam has to sign off.

I remember when everyone wanted Jr. to sell this team. Now Jr. wasn't doing a good job of finding the right people, but he was more hands off. The structure was that football people made the decisions. He hired a football guy and put the team in his hands. At the time I told people to be careful what they wished for. It sounded like they thought a Jerry Jones type of owner was more to their liking. I disagreed.

It's Haslams money and his team. As such he has every right to do as he damned well pleases. And it's not as if he doesn't want to win. The guy has been paying off multiple contracts of GM's and HC's at the same time trying to find a winner. They're not like the players. When you fire a HC or GM you still have to pay off their entire contract. So there's no doubt in my mind that Haslam wants the Browns to be a winner.

But unless somehow trial by fire means he will end up learning this game as he goes, his obsessive need to be involved in the football and coaching decisions of this team are detrimental to what we all wish to see.

He hired Dorsey to be the GM. If he doesn't have the faith to allow Dorsey to make the football decisions here Dorsey will be very limited in having the authority he needs to turn this thing around. Haslam can't continue to micromanage every facet of this team and expect the results he seeks. We've seen where that leads.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/11...ource-says.html

The Haslams have officially put GM John Dorsey in charge of the Browns coaching search, source says

Updated 4:57 PM; Posted 4:46 PM

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com,

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam have officially turned their fourth coaching search over to general manager John Dorsey, a league source told cleveland.com.

Contrary to conflicting information about Dorsey’s role, he’ll lead the charge and will have carte blanche to conduct it any way he wants.

It remains to be seen if he’ll enlist the services of a search firm to help him with the search, but he has a strong team around him that includes assistant general manager Eliot Wolf and Vice President of Player Personnel Alonzo Highsmith, who both worked with Dorsey in Green Bay. He’ll also receive input from others in the organization, including Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta and Vice President of Player Personnel Andrew Berry.

Does this mean that the Haslams will also have the new head coach report directly to Dorsey instead of Haslam? That has yet to be determined, but the fact they’re letting him lead the search is a good sign.

Dorsey, if he so chooses, could get input from his former boss Ron Wolf, the Pro Football Hall of Fame executive (and Eliot’s father). He also has a longstanding relationship with former Browns general manager Ernie Accorsi, who’s been a consultant for several NFL teams.

The Haslams, who used the search firm of Korn Ferry to hire Hue Jackson, selected Dorsey to conduct because of vast array of contacts at the college and NFL level over his 25 years experience in the NFL.

As a longtime NFL scout, he’s developed strong ties at the college level, developing relationships not only with coaches, but with athletic directors and other team officials that can help him with due diligence on candidates.

At the end NFL level, he spent 21 years as an executive with the Packers, working alongside numerous assistant coaches, some of whom will undoubtedly be on his list.

He’s also gotten to know most of the other assistants and head coaches in the league through his travels over the years and during his four years as general manager of the Chiefs, and he has a great reputation throughout the league.

The fact that Dorsey is here and conducting the search makes the job more attractive to some candidates leary of a job where the last five head coaches have lasted two years or less, with one, Rob Chudzinski, getting only a year, one NFL coach told cleveland.com.

There could be half a dozen head coaching vacancies this offseason, and the competition for the best candidates will be fierce. Dorsey will look to the college ranks, where two of the biggest names are Oklahoma’s Lincoln Riley and Iowa State’s Matt Campbell, and he’ll look hard at the NFL, where he’s undoubtedly compiled a short list over the years.

Candidates could come from places he’s worked, such as Chiefs special teams coordinator Dave Toub and Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bienemy. His old associate Mike McCarthy, the Packers head coach, could be on the hotseat, as could Ravens coach John Harbaugh.

While Dorsey has hundreds of his own close contacts in the coaching world, Wolf, Highsmith and Vice President of Player Personnel AndrewBerry have many more to add to the pile.

During his time off last fall after the Chiefs let him go, Dorsey spent much of his time on a 25-page document entitled, the 31 Core Competencies Used in Rebuilding and Sustaining Success in the NFL.

You can bet he has a long list of candidates he’s developed over the years, and now he’ll have a chance to hire his own head coach for the first time.

Exactly. It's one thing to be coaching when you are 67.. it's another thing to take over an on-going rebuilding process when you are 67.

Fingers crossed, hoping for the best - this could be the best news we've had in a long time.

This is encouraging news.

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@AlbertBreer on @BullandFox on #Browns coach search: "My understanding is that they met extensively earlier this week to talk about the process and from what I understand John Dorsey got assurances from Jimmy and Dee Haslam he'd be running the coaching search"

https://twitter.com/KeithBritton86/status/1060297831070736384

Excellent news.. getting the right coach would be huge.

https://www.ohio.com/sports/20181107/bro...time-head-coach

I like that the team’s communications team has to confirm this unbelievable information.

I don't think that is true, but it is good that John is the lead in this. It would then make sense that the new guy will report to Dorsey.

I am sure the Haslams will sit in on the interviews and have questions of their own...they are the owners. Owners do have input on the hiring of a head coach.

This way Dorsey knows what kind of team he has begun to build and can get a coach who shares the same vision, so there will be no starting over in so far as players. The systems we run might change, but the building blocks will remain the same.

Dorsey knew that Hue wasn't going to be the coach next year....JMO. He went and drafted a QB almost the opposite of what Hue always said what he looked for in a QB.

I suspect he goes young coach. Maybe urges the young guy to stick with the experienced Williams to handle the D to keep the continuity on that side of the ball.


But, we have a lot of football yet to play. The O looked to have more spark and imagination last week. Maybe we win some games and we keep most everybody who is here? That is probably a stretch...I think we go with a young guy with ideas more in line with progressive thinking offense.

Its like the Indians' communications dept releasing a statement like "Tito Francona will decide the starting line-up tonight.". No duh! ... except with the Browns its really news.

No Dave, it's not the same. In the past Jimmy has conducted the search. It's a sign that Jimmy and Dee have a respect for John Dorsey and are placing their trust in him. This is a turning point. Our owner isn't going to continue down a Jerry Jones path.

It shows growth.