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From what I have heard and researched these are my candidates for now wink

1. Bruce Arians
2. John Harbaugh
3. Matt Campbell
4. Lincoln Riley


I like Bruce a lot and one of the things I like best about him is knowing how bad he wants the job. I'd take either of those top 2 choices.


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@AlbertBreer on @BullandFox on #Browns coach search: "My understanding is that they met extensively earlier this week to talk about the process and from what I understand John Dorsey got assurances from Jimmy and Dee Haslam he'd be running the coaching search"

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Kyle - OC 49ers.
Seems he got a raw deal last time he was in Cleveland and has been pretty successful since he left. Not sure whom he had the conflict with in Cleveland over Manziel but I am thinking it was Farmer.(If it was Haslam then forget I brought up his name.)
why would shanny want to come back when is the HC of the 49ers, who may have their FQB in Jimmy G, and a very solid backup in Bathard (sp?), and he just go their last year?

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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Originally Posted By: PastorMarc
From what I have heard and researched these are my candidates for now wink

1. Bruce Arians
2. John Harbaugh
3. Matt Campbell
4. Lincoln Riley


I like Bruce a lot and one of the things I like best about him is knowing how bad he wants the job. I'd take either of those top 2 choices.


The way Arians talked I think he believes he can win big with Baker Mayfield thumbsup


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There's a difference in conducting a search and hiring the HC. I haven't seen anywhere that says who is hired is Dorsey's decision or that Haslam doesn't have to sign off on it.


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The knock on Harbaugh I'm reading is his inability to hire an OC to work with Baker...


Jim Schwartz could bring DeFilippo in as OC as they worked together in Philly...

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The knock on Harbaugh I'm reading is his inability to hire an OC to work with Baker...


Jim Schwartz could bring DeFilippo in as OC as they worked together in Philly...


Why would the Vikings let DeFelilppo leave?

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The scenario would have to be DeFillipo as HC and Schwartz as DC


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The scenario would have to be DeFillipo as HC and Schwartz as DC


Why would the Eagles let Schwartz leave?

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The knock on Harbaugh I'm reading is his inability to hire an OC to work with Baker...


Jim Schwartz could bring DeFilippo in as OC as they worked together in Philly...


Why would the Vikings let DeFelilppo leave?



I believe they wouldn't have a choice. They could up the ante to keep him, however.

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The scenario would have to be DeFillipo as HC and Schwartz as DC


Why would the Eagles let Schwartz leave?



Again, they really wouldn't have a choice unless they want to fire Pederson and hire Schwartz as the HC.

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Originally Posted By: Jester
The scenario would have to be DeFillipo as HC and Schwartz as DC



No. Schwartz as HC. Defilippo as OC.

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The knock on Harbaugh I'm reading is his inability to hire an OC to work with Baker...


Jim Schwartz could bring DeFilippo in as OC as they worked together in Philly...


Why would the Vikings let DeFelilppo leave?



I believe they wouldn't have a choice. They could up the ante to keep him, however.


He just signed a contract last year. Unless it was a one year deal, the Vikings would have to give permission to us in order for us to interview/hire him.

This happens every year. Anything but a head coaching job is a lateral move.

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He just signed a contract last year. Unless it was a one year deal, the Vikings would have to give permission to us in order for us to interview/hire him.

This happens every year. Anything but a head coaching job is a lateral move.



Incorrect. Only if he his team is in the playoffs will they need permission. Defilippo would also be assistant head coach. You can't interview for the same position. Unless the Vikings offered to make him the assistant HC could they stop the Browns from hiring.

I don't think any coach would sign any contract that wouldn't permit them from advancing their career. That would be ludicrous.

Schwartz will most likely be a HC somewhere next season... and the Eagles really can't do much about it.

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I think they could pull some type of asst. HC maneuver but I'm not sure about that.


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Why would Defillipo want to be an OC in CLE when he is already the OC in Minnesota? I do not think the lure of becoming the Asst. head coach would be enough. He most likely will be a candidate for a number of head coaching positions that will be available at the end of the year.

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Just depends if he wants to become a HC or not. It would be smart to advance in his career if he does. Plus, he could turn heads if he doesn't become a HC and ends up turning the Browns offense around in one season. These are just some things we've seen in the past. I don't expect him to get a HC job, but you never know (could be here). Plus, he's an Ohioan.

Of course, I don't think it's 100% certain... just some rumors that are out there.


We have many weeks to go, but this would be my current top choice of ensemble.

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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
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He just signed a contract last year. Unless it was a one year deal, the Vikings would have to give permission to us in order for us to interview/hire him.

This happens every year. Anything but a head coaching job is a lateral move.



Incorrect. Only if he his team is in the playoffs will they need permission. Defilippo would also be assistant head coach. You can't interview for the same position. Unless the Vikings offered to make him the assistant HC could they stop the Browns from hiring.


You are wrong. Again, this happens every year. Unless it is a promotion to head coach you need permission.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2016/1/6/10...-under-contract

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An assistant coach under contract for the 2016 season must be granted permission to interview with another team if the interview is for a head coach position. A team can deny interviews for an assistant coach under contract interviewing for a non-head coach position.


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As it stands, if Team A is conducting a search for a new coordinator and Team B has a young quarterback coach or offensive line coach, for instance, who Team A wants to hire as a primary play caller and leader of its offense or defense or special teams, Team B can block that process from ever taking place. Nip it in the bud. Never even let them speak.

Team B can decline the interview request out of hand, refuse the opportunity to even communicate with the other team, and move on as business as usual. It doesn't matter if that assistant coach has never had much leverage before, and might be on a one-or-two year deal with only one year remaining. It doesn't matter if Team B, in this case, already has an established coordinator in place and no short-terms plans to promote that position coach. It doesn't matter if he is among the lowest-paid coaches in the league at his current position, or one of the highest. They can bury the request and squat on the coach's rights for the length of his contract.

Now, in many instances, Team B will take note of the increasing allure of this (potentially) rising coach and reward him with a longer and more lucrative deal ... but there is no guarantee he will rise to that coordinator rank with this current team, and there is always the threat that 11 months later the entire coaching staff will be looking for work if the current head coach of Team B is fired. That's how it works.

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He isn't a horrible owner. He is involved in the community. He spends money.

He may not have found his long-term head coach but it isn't from a lack of trying.

At least he isn't an absentee owner like the last owner was.


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He isn't a horrible owner. He is involved in the community. He spends money.

He may not have found his long-term head coach but it isn't from a lack of trying.

At least he isn't an absentee owner like the last owner was.


He just needs to be a little more Robert Kraft, Dan Rooney, or Art Blank and less Jerry Jones when it comes to his involvement level.


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Originally Posted By: brownieforlife
He isn't a horrible owner. He is involved in the community. He spends money.


He is horrible because he makes the worst hires at the most important levels of his company and interjects himself into decisions that he should (Manziel).

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He may not have found his long-term head coach but it isn't from a lack of trying.


"Sure, he may hire horrible head coaches, but he fires them real quick."

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At least he isn't an absentee owner like the last owner was.


I don't know what absentee means, but there are plenty of owners (Paul Allen, RIP, in Seattle comes to mind) who don't stick their noses in things they don't know about, but are great owners.

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If that's the case then I stand corrected. It was my understanding the Browns could offer to Flip to be Asst HC which is an upgrade in position and not a lateral move.

Perhaps Flip as HC and prying Schwartz away from Philly to be DC as was mentioned would make more sense?

This is just one of the possible combinations I've come across.

Don't shoot the messenger. smile

I guess I would not expect Flip to be here long as OC and that's what I'd seek for Baker. Perhaps an offensive minded HC is the better way to go, but I really like Schwartz.

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What I like about Dorsey, is that he doesn`t seem like one to be afraid to tell Haslam that what he wants is wrong, and the do the right thing.

To me, that may be the differnce. Our previous GMs were yes men, and if Haslam wanted Manziel, they did it for him. I don`t see Dorsey doing the same.


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I think they could pull some type of asst. HC maneuver but I'm not sure about that.


They can't. You can only pull an assistant from another team except if you are hiring him to he head coach. You can't give him some fancy title that sounds more important than some other assistant coaching position.


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There's a difference in conducting a search and hiring the HC. I haven't seen anywhere that says who is hired is Dorsey's decision or that Haslam doesn't have to sign off on it.


It's been stated in many articles. Dorsey is leading the search. He is the guy who is going to say, this is our guy.

Of course the haslams will have to sign off, they pay the bills. It isn't any different with any other team. The owner doesn't just walk in to the building and meet the new head coach after he has already been hired.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25210540/john-dorsey-lead-cleveland-browns-coaching-search


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I believe Assistant HC isn't just a fancy title it is an upgrade over just being the OC. I know it's been used in the past to either hire or retain a coach.

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Dorsey is leading the search. He is the guy who is going to say, this is our guy.


Yes he is "leading the search" but there is nothing saying the hiring is his call.

This is from the article you posted.

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See? Owners still involved.


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Yes, Dorsey doesn't appear to be a yes man ... is decisive, type A, etc ... that's the type that should be able to keep Haslam at bay


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Dorsey is leading the search. He is the guy who is going to say, this is our guy.


Yes he is "leading the search" but there is nothing saying the hiring is his call.

This is from the article you posted.

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The final decision on selecting the coach will be made by Dorsey and owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam, with Dorsey's recommendation weighing heavily.


See? Owners still involved.


memp...something we can agree upon...too much owner involvement is a root problem with the Browns.

Fans need to pay attention to the words before drawing a conclusion about what is being said...and not said.

Also, I can't help but notice how much Dee Haslam's name is being used in print articles. The Browns HC is not reporting to Dee Haslam and the idea that she is deeply involved in all things Browns is an attempt to hide Jimmy's involvement, IMO.



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so 15, was hue a “horrible hire”. Did you think so at the time or did you praise the hire like most did?? Would you have made that hire three years ago?? Fans on here who praised the hiring of hue three years and are now saying haslem cannot make good hires are phony bologna, 20/20 hindsight, after the fact critics.
most of haslems hires have been considered solid at the time of hire, sashi being the notable exception to that. I do hope jimmy has learned that chain of command is important and that trusting your hire (Dorsey) to do his job is what he needs to do.

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Dorsey is leading the search. He is the guy who is going to say, this is our guy.


Yes he is "leading the search" but there is nothing saying the hiring is his call.

This is from the article you posted.

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The final decision on selecting the coach will be made by Dorsey and owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam, with Dorsey's recommendation weighing heavily.


See? Owners still involved.



Sorry guys, if you think our owner or any owner isn't involved in the hiring of the head coach, you are delusional.

The fact is that Dorsey is going to bring it down to the guy he thinks will be the best coach. The Haslams aren't going to have anything to do with that. They aren't the ones weeding out candidates. They aren't the ones bringing candidates in for interview.

I am very confident that whoever Dorsey wants is who we will get, so you guys can hem and haw about it all you want.

Dorsey is selecting the next coach. Unless the guy goes in and pinches Dee's butt, or calls Jimmy a crook, they will sign off.


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I believe Assistant HC isn't just a fancy title it is an upgrade over just being the OC. I know it's been used in the past to either hire or retain a coach.



I am sure it is, but you can't hire a OC to make him your asst head coach without the other team allowing it to happen just like you can't hire some teams RB coach to make him your OC unless the other team signs off.


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I am very confident that whoever Dorsey wants is who we will get, so you guys can hem and haw about it all you want.


If only it were that easy.

There will be concerns that any coaching candidate is going to have to consider before accepting a job with the Browns. HCing candidates know the franchise history since Jimmy Haslam bought the team..the owner fires a HC every 1.6 years.

Jimmy's involvement will likely be an issue for some candidates. We can pretend that issue does not exist but having the HC report to owner first and not the GM...that's messed up.


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The thief and his wife WILL BE THE BIGGEST OBSTALE TO OVERCOME in our new HC search ... i mean sheesh .. its actually the ONLY OBSTACLE ...

Peen and tabber can blow all the smoke up our butts they want about the thief and his wife not being horrible owners ... it doesn’t change the FACTS!!!

Take the thief out of the equation and its possibly THE BEST JOB EVER ...

- rookie QB that has impressed everyone and has a shot ...
- Ward, MG, Chubb, Randall, Obi, Landry and EVEN MORE YOUNG YOUG YOUNG TALENT ...
- well respected GM
- fanbase beyond starving ...
- coming off of ... 3 - 13, 1 - 15, 0 - 16 and now 2 - 6 - 1 seasons ..
- a top 10 pick in this years draft to add to all that talent
- MOST CAP SPACE IN THE LEAGUE ...

Like i said ...

MOST ATTRACTIVE JOB EVER minus the thief ...

Dorsey has to be able to sell this .. if not .. put him in touch with me .. i’ll convince the SOB ... *LOL* ..




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You all can say what you want. He has not micro managed the team. He has hired and they "THEY" have failed.

But with each hire they are getting closer and closer to finding the end of the tunnel. He has not quit. He has continued to strive for the team to reach a Dynasty.

Each time inching closer...talk about the past ok they failed but point is as an owner he didn't linger he let them get closer and closer and He finally HIRED the right guy in Dorsey.

I know the record was going south but the REBUILD was a solid effort and he stuck with it.

I actually like him as an owner and feel that he will not stop until we succeed. Keep in mind he was reluctant to fire Hue so he is not some Fickle dim wit. But he chose Dorsey to be his football guy and chose to listen to him! This is Dorsey's rodeo.

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I thought it meant that if you want to interview an OC for the same role with your team, the current employer had the right to refuse to allow it. If it was a promotion then the current team could not inhibit a coach from interviewing for the spot.So adding the assistant HC to the job title is seen as a promotion/ higher position.

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so 15, was hue a “horrible hire”. Did you think so at the time or did you praise the hire like most did?? Would you have made that hire three years ago?? Fans on here who praised the hiring of hue three years and are now saying haslem cannot make good hires are phony bologna, 20/20 hindsight, after the fact critics.
most of haslems hires have been considered solid at the time of hire, sashi being the notable exception to that. I do hope jimmy has learned that chain of command is important and that trusting your hire (Dorsey) to do his job is what he needs to do.


I totally agree with this take. I’ve posted similar thoughts. I’m sure Jimmy has always tried to hire the best candidate he could.

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U and peen can alter history all u like ..

The record stands for itself ..

WORST OWNER IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS PER THE LAST 3 YEAR RUN ...

Spin it any way u want ...

The fact u say he’s not fickle and think he’s all that cause he hasn’t quit on his investment (like thats some grand achievement ... i didnt quit ma .. where’s my participation trophy .. thumbsdown) is all u really need to know about how REALISTIC u are when it comes to the thief and his wife ...




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I can only speak for myself ...

I LOVED the Hue hire while also saying his set up would NEVER WORK and everyone involved was DOOMED TO FAILURE ....

It wasn’t that hard to predict .. Sashi was the SINGLE DUMBEST HIRE in the history of sports .. what NFL coach was going to think Sashi could do his job capably with his lack of experience and the fact he brought in no one with any decent amount of experience .. Barry had a cup of coffee in the nfl

And for u to boil it down to us being hypocrites cause we loved the hue hire then and hated it it now is simply wrong .. u HAVE TO IGNORE WAY TO MANY OTHER THINGS to make it that SIMPLE ...

There’s a lot more to this equation that ... u like the hue hire then and think the thief is incompetent now based off JUST THAT one thing ..

Sorry dawg .. that’s NOT RIGHT .. thumbsdown




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