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Some voters don't care enough to dig into specifics, only whether it strikes the right feeling or tone. "It Feels like taxes should be lower, so any circumstance in which people don't vote to lower them is wrong."

So let’s remember the time when the right lost the house, there were no riots, car fires, no students skipping class to protest and no genital hats.

Let’s just take the time to remember it.

As I was watching CNN last night and their masturbation over Brown women in the government I also thought of Martin Luther King Jr.


1963: I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but the content of their character.
2018: We need more female genitals and brown skin folk in the government.

Some people consider that being represented by people that understand and share their views.

If voting for white people because they are white is racist, so is the converse in my opinion.

Yet you claim to disagree that white people voting for white people is racist.

lol sure I did

So now you wish to adopt the same mantra those who you feel are wrong has chosen. Makes perfect sense.

I can't speak for the CNN segment, but we absolutely need more people of color and women in the government, because of representation. If women make up 50% of the population, then we should have 50% of congress be women. Even with the big gains made on Tuesday, less than 25% of the makeup of Congress is represented by women. 18% of the population is made up of women of color, and congress is 7% made up of women of color.

The only way we can have representation for the people is to have representation by the people.



Why do you feel the need to objectify here?

Definitely not the case at ll, you're attempting to put words in my mouth.

I felt it was an apt summary of what was being relayed to me.


Your point about representation is not missed on me just as my point about voting for skin color and genitals should not be lost on you.

And the message each receives from the same content is all about perception.

I'm not all that concerned with perception.

That's how we all come to the conclusions we have formed.

Right but there are many especially on this board who see anything but partisan hackery as wrong think. So, I just refuse to tip toe around it. Think what you will.

It's good that the point was not lost. As for your point, I'm not sure precisely what point you had, to be upfront. Your post as I read it was that you disagreed with a CNN segment. With no information on the content of the segment, or your overall view on this matter, I can't deduce a point to be had. All I had to go on was your objectifying "2018" quote. It read sarcastic to me in content. Sarcasm is hard to read online so maybe that's in error. If there is something else to your "point" it would be helpful.

Looks like Dems now have taken 30 House seats and might have narrowed the Senate losses. Votes still being counted. Might have been a real wave...

You have not driven in CA.

The federal gas tax has not changed science 1994. There are probably 5 million more people. The gas tax was for roads and mass transit. The money has to come from somewhere. I voted for repeal as well. At least we will keep the money in CA.

"18% of the population is made up of women of color"

Source for that please?

Looked a lot like a blue wave to me.

I'm sure no one questions that.

j/c

I thought about starting a thread - because to me this is bigger than the elections that just took place. To me this is the root cause of the problems in politics - regardless of where you position yourself.

Record turn out for the midterms .... with 49 percent of eligible voters participating in the election

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/record-voter-turnout-in-2018-midterm-elections/

We get the Govt we deserve.

I'd love to tell you I think there is a way to get more people interested and engaged. But I don't - I think most people today are self absorbed and don't care to pay attention to anything other than what is in their immediate lives. It's why "politics by face book" is so / was so effective. People easily influenced by trashy political messages that are most of the time empty rhetoric devoid of facts .... or they just don't vote. Or both.

The point is that the nation especially Democrats (and they are correct) asserted that Dr. Kings statement was a virtuous, moral, universal truth. Yet a few decades later completely disregard the point and base their decisions largely if not solely based on skin color and genitalia. My apologies if that was not clear. The CNN segment made ZERO mention of the qualifications (character) of the appointed and lauded skin color and genitalia as a win.

I don't care who gets elected to be honest as long as they are qualified, I would be equally irritated if someone told me that (and there would be a nationwide outcry) a man was the best for the country for simply being a man.

I think that might not be a bad thread, actually.

49% is horrid, I agree. I wonder what % are people that have passed, been incarcerated, out of the country and don't know how to absentee ballot, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that number is gigantic - maybe another 5-10%?? It is something I always found to be curious about.

Even with the crazy turnout, it only ended up being 49%. Smh, terrible.

Too many people place the biggest emphasis on the general election, and not enough on local and state elections. Those elections are the ones that truly have an impact on our people’s day to day life.

Judge refuses to limit Arizona vote count, sets hearing

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-eyes-suit-arizona-gop-over-ballots-senate-175734418--election.html

Odd that republicans don’t want votes counted. Wonder why.

I started a thread a little while ago asking where I could find the views of my local elections.

Not even joking, the best answer was their Facebook page. Local elections even regional elections are so, so murky I completely understand why people get their opinions from debunked, fraudulent memes, bogus facts and outright lies. It’s a strange time, where people are “Activists” when they literally don’t even know who or what they are voting for. They just know how they “feel” based on what they were told and because of confirmation bias they don’t even bother to look it up.

I have some very strong opinions, if someone calls me a racist, frankly I don’t give a what. Most people wilt under that type of scrutiny and will revert to whatever acceptable opinion just to avoid the unpleasantness. That’s why you see so much groupthink on Facebook….I have digressed too far.

Question: If we're judging everyone by the character of their person, then wouldn't we naturally have representation? If it was all one subset of a group that ran the political theatre, and we are judging everyone by their soul and their mind, then wouldn't that make them naturally better than everyone else?

Oh, I think you know why... LOL

I can't believe that anyone would allow the state AG in Georgia to ever oversee and election in which he is a candidate... Can't believe anyone could actually think that's right...

Why would Rubio in Florda ever want to NOT have every vote counted? Why?

Anyone with a sense of Country should not only want every vote counted, but they should demand it.

That is, unless you are afraid that misdeeds will be uncovered? Hmm,, let us think about that for a moment.

I feel like OCD found his own AOC

THE MADMAN hahahaha

From the Gaurdian:

It was at 11.30pm on Tuesday night that President Trump tweeted, 'Tremendous success last night. Thank you all!'. This was certainly a novel way of assessing the Republicans' performance in the mid-terms elections. They lost the House of Representatives, and key governorships in Kansas, New Mexico, Michigan, Nevada, Illinois and Wisconsin. And while they did increase their Senate majority they only polled 33 million votes in those races against the Democrats' 45 million. Such is the peculiar make-up of the Senate's electoral college that the Republicans can claim victory with 41% of the vote against the Democrats' 56%.

And this is where the Guardian comes in. Luckily you don't have to rely on President Trump's reading of the electoral runes to work out what happened during the elections. We've been trying to do just that on your behalf, and will continue to do so over the next days and weeks.

That will involve some harsh lessons for the Republicans - is doubling down on your base really enough to get you another victory in 2020? But there are lessons for the Democrats too. Why is it that the Democrats don't have a single statewide elected official in Florida, a crucial stop on the road to the White House? Why are they continuing to lose ground in rural, white, male America? After a period of maximum provocation and extreme rhetoric from President Trump in the run-up to the midterms the Democrats still failed to deliver a knockout blow in key bellwether states.

But mostly it's a harsh lesson for America. Because the lesson of Tuesday night is that the divisions that are pulling this country apart were made more apparent than ever. As acclaimed author Anand Giridharadas said as the result became apparent; 'The results suggest a country that is on a knife's edge - basically 50-50 - on the acceptability of racism, nativism, demagogy, lies, chauvinism, abuse of power, cruelty and corruption.'

The lessons for America are stark; while the Republicans are targeting white male and rural voters, the Democrats are winning with women, minorities, suburban liberals and the young. These two camps and philosophies are being driven further apart. America feels split down the middle. Can anyone, or anything, bring them closer together. Whatever the opposite of 'we're all this in together' feels like the new motto for a disunited states.

These, and many other issues, themes and personalities (Beto for 2020?) are among the ones we'll be teasing out over the next days, weeks and months. Within hours of the results - and in real time on our live blog - we already had a huge volume of reports, analysis and opinion from all corners of the country trying to make sense of what happened over the course of the past few days.

We'll aim to be there with you over the course of the next two years as 2020 hoves into view too. But for now, all I can say to our dedicated Guardian staff, and to our committed and loyal readers without whom we'd simply couldn't do the work we do: 'Tremendous success last night. Thank you all!'

John Mulholland, Editor,
Guardian US

No google on your internet?

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/...-united-states/

Is the 18% number. I'm not sure precisely how that number was aggregated, but the US fact finder site could be used to double check the number.

https://factfinder.census.gov/

If we just used US Census Quick Facts and do those who did not identify as white only and apply that to the female population, I get (100-60.7)*0.508 = 19.96% . Seems close to the approximation citied above.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045217

It's a tough problem to solve because yes, at the individual level what people want is the "best person for the job." A meritocracy. The problem that happens is people tend to overvalue things they are familiar with, even if it hurts them. So we want and vote and hire people who look and act like us. As someone who hires people, I think that it is hurtful to fall into those traps, of hiring people because they like what you like or you think they would fit in very well. The problem gets oversimplified into "hire more women!" and it reads as "hire more women no matter what!" Really how it should be considered is "hire the best person for the job, even if they may do it differently than you or others on your team." Those differences will elevate a team to do better things, avoid groupthink, and be better prepared for challenges because of the diversity of EXPERIENCES. Not the diversity of color and gender. A man will not have the same experiences of a woman, and vice versa. A first generation american from overseas will not have the same experiences as someone who's family roots date back to the revolution. The experience is the value add. The experience is how you grow a team horizontally and vertically.

I would agree with all of that. The problem I take with it is the polarization, really on any issue I cannot stand the absolutes. I take “Hire more women no matter what” as not all that dissimilar to “women can’t go that job, they are women”. It’s just the two polar opposites….both are incorrect, both are radical, both are sexist, but one is universally accepted as virtuous and one is deemed sexism/racism.


Diversity is a strength, when it is, but it’s not a strength just for simply being and you’re a bigot if you say that. That’s the issue I take with the CNN piece.

The cable news cycle distills issues down into little sound bite morsels, so they have barely enough time to go "More women in Congress, Thats good!" before they move onto the next segment. You can't do any deep dives.

I wouldn't say one is a bigot for saying diversity isn't a strength. I just disagree with that position. A good football team has a team with diverse backgrounds, builds, and skill sets. Some players are fast, some players are strong, etc. If you just hire people who come from the same neighborhoods and backgrounds and prior job experiences, it's like having a team full of QBs. You could have both tom brady AND aaron rodgers on your team, and I don't think you'd win against a team with league average players at each position, QB included.

democrats are the worst. Stealing votes in Florida, again. Outrageous.

Every voter in the United States, should be up in arms over dastardly actions by democrats, violating election laws, in secret, adding extra ballots after election day, with signatures that don't match.

first, Al Franken got a senate seat by cheated counts after the election some years ago, now this.

If we had 75% voter turnout would things be any different?