DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2019 NFL Season 2019 NFL Draft Why The Browns need to draft a Qb in the 1st rd next year

I know, We just drafted Baker Mayfield, it sounds crazy I know but the Browns MUST use their 1st rd pick on another Qb for two reasons:

1. Culture change - Baker Mayfield needs to know that he isn't just going to skate by here. He needs to know this isn't "his team" not until he proves its his team. He will prove that with a successful season and winning games. QB also has to be a position of competition, competition is healthy.

2. QB on rookie contracts are cheap - The Browns are going to be in a unique position to get two cracks at the Qb position and having two top prospects on rookie contracts. Qb injuries are very common in the NFL, and it simply never hurts to have another talent QB on a rookie contract.

For those who think this is silly, I point you to the Dallas Cowboys.

in 1989, the Cowboys draft Troy Aikman with the #1 overall pick in the 1989 NFL draft.

In the 1989 Supplemental Draft, The Cowboys chose National Championship winning QB Steve Walsh with the #2 overall pick in the Supplemental draft (This pick cost the Cowboys their 1st rd pick in the 1990 NFL draft)

How did Aikman turn out?

Yup...if Baker Mayfield is as good as he thinks he is, he will welcome the competition of another 1st rd pick at QB it will just push him harder to be better. If it hurts his confidence, then he was never the right guy in the 1st place.

Taking another QB in the 1st rd is like a future investment and insurance policy...if Mayfield works out we trade this other QB for not only a 1st rd pick, but other picks as well...if Mayfield fails two years down the road, then we have another QB that we have groomed in the background to take over our team. This is a win win.

the Browns need to push Mayfield just like Johnson and Cowboys pushed Aikman...by bringing in 1st rd competition to compete with Baker and push him to be the best he can be.

It worked for Aikman, if Mayfield is as good as he think he is, this will only make him better.

Umm no.

I think that a lot of times, in this world we live in, people mistake correlation for causation....its a common blunder...

I won't say your idea is crazy, I'll just say we need another playmaker with our first round pick, WR, DE, LB, CB depending on who's there. We need to keep building out the team.

I don't agree. Mayfield was the #1 overall pick and, despite some ups and downs in recent weeks, has still performed the best among the rookie QBs.

You could say the culture change and knowing he can't just skate by here was accomplished in part by bringing Taylor in (a steep price to pay for the #65 overall pick, but not a disaster in the grand scheme of things.)

We've seen in recent drafts that teams are getting more and more aggressive in trading up for QBs. Some of the trade packages have been quite impressive. I'd rather draft an impact player or accept one of those hauls rather than double up on another high draft pick at QB. We don't need the controversy here anyway.

If Mayfield doesn't work in the end, there are other ways to get a QB. Really. A lot of teams have found their QBs at places other than the top of the draft, and Super Bowl winning teams at that. Or we can be the one packaging those picks to go get our QB.

Baker would have to be a total, unmitigated disaster down the stretch to even begin to change my mind. For all of our sanity, let's hope that doesn't happen.

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You are right it is not only crazy, but you sir are frickin crazy!!!

Please put the glue away.

You had to know the thread was going to go like this.

I say we take the rest of the year to evaluate the team, with the understanding that Baker got very few first team reps in the off-season and was kind of thrown in there, against the original plan.

He's also seen quite a bit of pressure from the edges and receivers have dropped a lot of catchable balls.

my first question would be: is there a QB worth it?

I get trying to bring in another QB to push or mentor.... but a first round probably top 10 QB? We've got too many other needs....

I couldn't agree less. 3rd-7th (Thorson, Rypien, Fitzgerald maybe) yes, but not first round. IMHO, it'd be a colossal waste of a high first rounder to take another QB there.

Guys its not 100% certain Baker is the answer at QB.

He has potential yes, I am not saying he doesn't...but until that position is 100% for certain a lock you CAN NOT stop looking for upgrades at every position on your roster and that includes QB.

You keep drafting QB's, the best ones you can get until the position is solved. The Qb position still has questions, and those questions are not going to be answered this year,

Everyone saying Baker is "the answer" are putting the cart before the horse(including the media)...assuming something is the worst thing you can do. NEVER assume. ever. Baker has not proven anything.

Put aside the media hype, in reality he has won 1 game, and looked decent in relief of another, thats it. He isn't setting the world on fire. now to be fair he doesn't exactly have the best team around him either, but the fact remains the position is still a big question mark.

If we have another Top 3 pick this year you take the best QB on the board again no question. Its an inverstment, If Baker works out, we cna trade that QB for 2-3 draft picks, if Baker doesn't work out, we have another high prospect in waiting, this is a win-win for this organization. We simply can't make the wrong move by taking another QB when the position has not be 100% locked up and confirmed.

when Baker Mayfield has a Pro Bowl season, then we can talk about him being "the guy" in reality he has looked like nothing more then an average NFL Qb this season, and that most certainly does not sow him up as the savior of the franchise.

If the Browns don't continue to strike while the iron is hot taking QB's while they have high picks until the Qb question is 100% answered they are fools, We got plenty of FA money next year and many other draft picks to get players, but taking another high Qb puts Mayfield on notice that this franchise is serious about winning, no one skates here, and everyone competes, and either you bust rear and be the best, or your replaced, no different then any other successful company.

It worked for Troy Aikman, it also worked for Tom Brady who was challenged in a similar way both in college by Henson and in the pros by Bledsoe. Both those guys had to fight and earn their way against guys who could take their jobs, Taylor was just a few game placeholder, he was never considered on the same talent level, another high pick will be, it will push Mayfield to be better then even he thinks he can be which is good for Browns.

We can't afford a big injury of by some stroke of bad luck Mayfield flops next year (could happen, hope it doesn't, but it could) gotta be prepared for these things. '

until QB is 100% a sure thing and decided, we should pick another one and another one and another one till the question is answered. Qb has been the biggest reason we can't win. If Baker ends up being the answer, we can sell whomever we picked at Qb for a kings ransom, we will get far more out of that Qb then just a 1st rd pick, we literally can't lose in this scenario.

Is that you Ray Farmer?

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Love that song.

"Which brings me to my next point: don't smoke crack."

Entirely on board with this. I would draft a QB in the first round every year until one jumped off the tape. The position is just that important.

In other words "Baker we made a mistake"

Disagree, there are competition battles at every position. Tyrod Taylor and Drew Stanton are absolutely NOT competition for Baker.

Sorry BpG I usually agree with most of your post but not this one, you don't draft a QB #1 in the draft and then take another 1st rounder the next year maybe the 3rd rd. or later

You need to check your calendar. This isn't April first.

I’ve said this long before Baker Mayfield. I would draft a QB in the first round….I would draft TWO QB’s in every draft until I found THE guy. Without going into a full on statistical analysis on how slanted the NFL is to the QB position, I will just say this.

The QB position is more important than any other position on the field by a WIDE margin. Why would I draft a WR or DB who’s value above replacement is marginal unless you hit a home run, hall of famer. I would MUCH rather bust at the QB spot in 5 consecutive drafts and POP on the 6th….than draft other positions for many years, take a shot on a QB every 5th year and bust. Let’s say for sake of argument that that “6th” QB of 5 stat hold true. If you draft one every year you waited 6 years and now you are set to draft what you need for the next 10.

If you take a shot on a QB every 5 years and that same formula holds true you wasted 30 years before your team could even attempt to become competitive. Obviously these are number pulled out of the air but QB is a position where MOST don’t “Grow into” their roles, either they can play or they can’t and it is apparent very quickly.

Now, I think Baker can play but if I have a chance at a guy who I think could be better, I am not passing on him. The field is tilted in favor of the QB, so you HAVE to have one and to win it all, you need a GREAT one, not a guy who can just win you some games.

If I were the Jets, Jags, Browns, heck even the Raiders….and a top flight, Franchise looking QB is there at my pick….I am taking him and let the card fall where they will.

Yet there's another wrinkle to this I haven't seen mentioned. Rarely, and I mean very rarely is a QB actually considered BPA at the time of their pick. Most of the time they are selected based on position and need. Not because they are considered the best player on the board.

So what some seem to advocate is passing up on higher rated players just to draft another QB.

Here's the thing. You may have a QB who has a great chance of being the answer. But to find out you need to build a team around that QB. You're advocating a team doesn't do that.

I'm saying it's almost irrelevant if they do. Look at Jacksonville. Look how good of a team the Texans had for many years.

Then look at Green Bay and Manning Colts.

So your theory is not at least give it a coupe of years before you invest a high draft pick in another QB? I mean Blake Bortles is your guide here?

I like Baker, I think he has a good chance to be something very good in the league, but if I am staring at Justin Herbert....sorry baker you need to beat him out. Absolutely, Obviously I am not advocating taking a 2nd round prospect at #5 overall, but if the QB is a comparable player to what I am picking otherwise....yes.


Football has morphed from the ultimate team game to the ultimate QB game.

To a great extent you're right. But even a great QB can't be great without a supporting cast.

If Dorsey took another QB in the top 5 with our need at WR, LT, LB in no certain order, I would be totally shocked

No doubt, the world would be and he would take a TON of heat for doing it. However, if Baker fizzled out and Herbet became Aaron Rogers type HOFer, he would be the first of many teams to go this route.

It's about being ahead of the curve, not trying to duplicate it.



I'm not saying they should do it this year. I'm saying if you have ANY, literally ANY questions about Baker at the end of this season....you need to consider it an option. Don't waste 5 years being stubborn....some of the older Browns fans can't afford it.

I understand but I would at least give Baker next year before even considering such a move ...

OK big shots, start naming some names of Qb talent coming out of the draft.

You can't! LOL!! Don't even mention that Ohio State Qb. Whatever his name is.......

The only QB I would consider drafting is Tua in 2020.

There are no other Qb's worth taking until he is eligible.

Sorry, just don't agree with your read on the tea leaves. He seems motivated, ROW three times now? NOT drafting a first round pick at QB would help the team compete better with a WR or LB or whatever OT we need. Baker is competing plenty just playing this hand. I wish him the luck that comes from hard work.

Unless Baker goes skydiving and his parachute fails to open, we will not draft a QB high next April.

That is ridiculous.

Don't give KoB any ideas.

I would draft a QB in this draft if there is one we like in the 3rd round or later. I would continue to do that every year until we either know we need an early round QB or we know we have an actual franchise QB.

So far, I really like Baker, and hope he continues to develop into a franchise QB. I believe he will, but I wouldn't neglect the position in the draft either.

1. If we have real doubts about Baker (or even questions)

AND

2. There is a QB WORTH IT


Then i pull the trigger

If not, then no

I agree with this, if there is raw talent in the later rounds that is deemed "not quite ready" but has all the tools ~ I'm in. Otherwise, no thanks.