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Well......No.....How about we draft a oline man to keep Baker from getting killed?

my opinion is our lack of playmakers on the outside have hurt Baker more than the OL. I could be wrong.

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I will. That's crazy...lol

i think you take a qb, but a guy that can be the backup for years later in the draft..I give baker minimum 3 years in the same system. But at the same time if you find a stud 6'4 230lb + guy, yeah you take him. Baker has his moments, good and bad..then you see guys like watson and wentz you knew right away they were the franchise. Baker isn't really there yet, but he doesn't have alot of help, so thats why i give him 3 years for dorsey to work his magic

Been pondering this for a few days now ... i think it may have been a jeporday style question ...

Alex, my answer is:

What the browns would do if the thief re-hired Sashi?

I think your current feud against Baker is more embarrassing than when you kept calling Mangini Cartman.

Give it a rest, Knight. There’s no factual basis to support us drafting a QB. Your opinions are not backed by fact.

I have no feud against Baker

I am just saying we MUST have competition at every position on the roster without exception and that includes QB. The only guys in the NFL that shouldn't have such competition are guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rothlisberger, etc.

I don't understand everyone aversion to actually bringing in solid competition at the Qb postion that either strengthens our team, or we trade a year or two later for multiple draft picks.

Do you realize Tom Brady as recently as last year had a Qb on the roster by the name of Jimmy Garrapolo? a Qb that would be a starter on 20+ other NFL teams, a QB that actually competed and pushed Tom Brady? Brady knew if he didn't perform, Garrapollo would take his job. Eventually the Pats were forced to deal Garrappolo because the value was too high not too, but thats the point.

Baker Mayfield needs REAL competition on the roster, just like Myles Garret gets real competition on the roster every year when we bring in DL either via Fa, the draft, or both.

I want Mayfield to work out like everyone else, but this notion that you cna't draft a QB any higher then the 3rd rd because you took Mayfield #1 and it might hurt Mayfields confidence is just BS....

Drafting Walsh with a #1 pick(which is what it cost the Cowboys to take him) ended up making Aikman a better player. Had the Cowboys not taken Walsh to push Aikman, he may have never reached his glory.

You have to be looking at competition at every position every year, you got to. The thing the Browns have never done is develop a QB, taking another high Qb means that QB will probably get to sit for 2 years for sure due to the investment in Baker, and thats fine, if Baker works out we got a goldmine, if he doesn't, we aren't screwed at the Qb position for the next 6 or more years.

when your picking in the Top 5, like we probably will be this year, if a top Qb prospect is there, ya take him. Until we know with 100% certinaity our Qb position is solved, you don't stop looking for the answer. Depth is also very important at the QB position.

the Chargers had two high pick QB(two guys taken in the top 30) on their roster, Brees and Rivers...I think that worked out pretty well for them didn't it?

We should never be afraid of competition and adding deapth at all postions, its how we as a team end up getting good enough to win and compete across the NFL

You act like a dope most of the time, but this was damn good.

Glad to see your in a good mood tonight ...

I'm in such a good mood I just ordered you a new kennel.

Get your sleep, we got obedience training this week.

Good luck with that one ...

There’s a fine line between being in a good mood and being delusional ... you may wanna check your footing dawg ...

Or what? I'll just keep embarrassing you?

I can do this all day dawg. You should choose your opponents more wisely.

Now stick that tail between your legs and move on. Your alpha will be out of suspension soon enough. You can bro it up with him.

I been having fun ... thought u were too ... guess i was wrong again ... *L* ...

u wanna play ... no problem ...

I’ll start now ...

Naaaa ...

Your not worth the time .. never have been ... like u could emberass me ... ...

Later dawg ... Enjoy ... i will ... take all the shots at me your little heart desires ...

U emberass me ... u sure your not playing .... ...

Except the Cowboys spent a first round pick on a guy who started five games because Aikman broke his finger? How is that a good example? The only thing that saved the Cowboys in this deal is that they robbed the Saints in a trade and recovered the pick.
Now I would consider using a 3rd or 4th on a QB such as Wil Grier. To develop as a back up or best case scenario we end up with a Garopolo type situation where we can develop and then trade for draft picks

I would agree with drafting a QB in the 3rd-5th, a developmental guy with a high ceiling, like NE has been doing for years. Ready him to be a starter, give Baker competition, and have a reliable backup. If he surpasses Mayfield, start him. If not, he's a tradable commodity before his rookie contract ends. Rinse and repeat.

But using an asset as valuable as a 1st round pick for a back up plan is foolish. We have too many other needs.

If we can bring Tyrod back as the primary backup, then that would be ideal. However, if not, Stanton is a reasonable backup, and we can draft a guy in the 5th or so, as you said, as a developmental/backup type.

Mark my words, some team is going to try this. People called the Redskins Crazy for taking Cousins after they took RG3. Crazy at the time is often visionary in hindsight.

They should just draft Kyler Murray for the lolz he might even choose football

They took Cousins in the 3rd or 4th rnd dude ... i remember it well ... one of my redskin fan buddies asked me who i thought would be the better QB ... RG3 or johnny ... i told him watch out for your 3rd or 4th rnd pick Cousins ... he may be the best of the bunch ... much better call then Brady for me ... *LOL* ...

Thats not the same as taking a QB in rnd 1 YEAR after YEAR after YEAR ...

I think that was done at least one other time ... can’t remember who and when off the top of my head .. just vaguely remember it happeneing another time ...

I got no problem investing a 3rd or 4th rounder next year .. none at all ... any higher than that and its just not SENSIBLE with all the holes we have and the fact Bake has a SHOT ...

Baker can play, I think it's been obvious throughout the season. I am not specifically debating the merits of this strategy for the Browns.


Like for example, if I am the Bills or Jets....I am seriously considering this. Again, there is something called opportunity cost....if you're the bills and you have a chance to have Herbert....you TAKE that chance. Call me crazy, but the QB is too important to punt if you have a game changer staring you in the face. I don't care WHAT QB is on the roster.

Saying your not including it for us changes things somewhat ... i thought u meant carte blanche til u were sure u had your guy ... it makes your scenario slightly more plausible IMO ..

Don’t u weigh the value of having that potential franchise QB on your roster along with your all ready potential stud who u used a lot of capitol to draft vs all the players u could garner in extra picks with the trade value of that game changer ...

In your example ... if i was the Jills ... i would take Herbert ... but then again i would have never drafted Allen .. *L* ..

I see your point and understand the concept ... just not on board with it is all ..

Herbert has some of the worst shell shock I've ever seen a college QB have. This is a very bad year to need a QB imo.

and that's ok, I just think in this league you either have a QB or you're trying to not get fired. It is literally that black and white. If I were a secure GM, I'd explain the process to the owner, I wouldn't reach but until I have a guy winning games out there, I am going to take another.

Kyler is smaller than Mayfield and he doesn't appear to like to get hit. The MLB is his safe space.

They took Cousins in the 4th round though, because he fell much further than anticipated. There's a big difference between that, and reaching for a QB in the first just for the sake of taking a QB.

If the Browns want to grab another QB, they should do exactly what the Skins did. Take one that fell much further than they graded. (Honestly, they should be doing that with all positions). If you grab a QB in the first round, you're usually reaching, because teams that need QBs will over-draft just to get one. There's no way this team should be picking a reach-QB in the first when they have so many other positions that need upgraded.

Do u remember another drat for a team like the RG3/Cousins one? ..

I think it happenend right around then and for the life of my i can’t think of who it was ... im pretty sure something close to that scenario happenend right around the same time frame .. but i may be mistaken on that ...

U remember or anything like that or am I going senile ... *L* ..

Closest I remember is Jimmy Clausen in the 2nd round in 2010 then Cam Newton #1 in 2011.

Ty .. that very well may have been it ...

Couldn’t remember exaclty but i thought sumptin similiar had happenend and within a few years of the RG3/Cousins in the same draft ...

TY SIR ... i’ll Sleep better tonight ..

Or Kizer in the 2nd and Baker in the first?

Hey Kizer Got Us Randell

Taking a QB high in the 2nd is a nightmare. Very rarely are you finding someone who can play when all 32 have passed, some more than once. Look around the league. How often do guys pan out past round 1? Anomalies like Brees, Brady and Wilson....even Dalton and Cousins.


Then you look and see the rest. 21 (22 if you count Jameis Winston who is benched currently). of 32 QB's came fromt he first round that is close to 70% of starting NFL QB's came from round 1....Brees was pick 32 and both he and Brady were drafted before the league nerfed all the defenses.

Again, Baker has shown enough to not warrant this consideration. However let's say Baker was winless, looked lost like Sam Darnold.....55% 11/14 TD/INT Or looked even worse than that, like say Lamar Jackson....I would be advocating VERY hard for another 1st round QB. The stats don't lie.....either you get your QB from the first round or you are betting against the odds.

Uh, plenty ... Brady, Brees, Wilson, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Fitzpatrick (who supplanted 1st round pick Winston), Prescott, Keenum, Garoppolo. That's a third of the league. And that includes arguably two of the best ever in Brady and Brees. Favre was also a 2nd rounder.

Sometimes that kind of competition is a negative.. Sorry but the QB position is different. The guy going out there as QB has to be able to play loose and not fear making a mistake or he could be replaced.... The last thing we need is something to divide the fan base or, worse yet, the team over who should be starting until Mayfield proves he's not the guy..... The guy pushing Rodgers early was Matt Flynn.. the guy pushing Ben was Tommy Maddox...


Do you realize the Pats had 5 consecutive seasons of winning 12 or more games per season before they drafted Jimmy G? And that Tom Brady was in his 14th season? They didn't draft Jimmy G (late in the 2nd round) to push Tom Brady, they drafted him to eventually replace him.. but Tom Brady seems to want to play forever.

So when we run off a string of consecutive 12 win seasons and compile a couple super bowls and have amassed that level of talent across all position groups... then we can start talking about using high draft picks just to take folks who will push our starters.. until then, we have too many holes to fill to be wasting picks.

the year after Tom Brady established himself as the starter in NE did they go out and draft his competition to push him?.. Hell no. With their 2 highest picks they took a TE and a WR.. because they knew they had their QB and they wanted to stockpile weapons for him.. then they took a project QB in the 4th round... This is the plan to follow....

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At this point you build around Baker, be it more on O or improve the D with that first pick.

I am good with Stanton at #2 for a few years.

I could see drafting a QB in round 5. We have 3-4 picks in that round. Bring in a guy to round out the QB room as I think a team needs to keep 3 QB,s

Prescott is not good, neither is Keenum, neither is Fitzpatrick, neither is Carr. It took Garapollo 5 seasons to even get a crack and while he looked good, will be going into his 6th season coming off an ACL and has repeatedly shown lapses in judgement on and off the field before we can even see if he's any good.

Favre, Brady and Brees were before they changed the rules and teams started over reaching for QB's. Heck those guys played in a league that was RUNNING BACK dominant that's how long ago. and Breese was the 32nd pick overall in a league that hated short QB's at the time.

In the new league, where it's a pillow fight on defense, you aren't drafting QB's in the 3-5th and thinking they will be anything.


So in the new QB era, you're looking at exactly which of the post 1st round QBs to start a franchise with? Wilson.....literally one.

The team rallies around Baker...

At this point the scouts and coaching staff need to do everything they can to support Baker so that he can succeed on all levels. That means finding playmakers and skill positions.

The man cooked dinner for his Oline.

Baker is a competitive dude, and will outlast any next drafted guy. It's just who he is. Tight rope walking the difference between cocky and confident. It would be a waste of a pick to pick up another QB so high....

Unless we intend to trade the QB elsewhere.

But that would hinder us in finding more playmakers.

j/c

Competition at every position is wonderful in theory. Yet at the same time, there's a lot to be said for showing confidence in a player and supporting him as "the man" at his position. Sure they should have to earn that type of security, but sometimes looking over your shoulder isn't the best metod for getting the most out of your QB, RB or WR's for that matter.

It's no different than at DE or CB... when you have a player prove to you that you have a top-tier player at a given position, your focus becomes building depth at that position.

It is no longer about competition at the position and is completely about trying to minimize the drop-off should the star player get injured.


It is early, yet, but it very much so looks like we have a star player in Mayfield. If his position were one where we would regularly have two QB's on the field at the same time, I could be onboard with selecting at that position with a high pick again, but since we cannot regularly have two of them on the field at the same time, it would be absurd to invest that highly at the position again knowing that we're set there. It would NOT be smart in any way.