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Tough Bernie Kosar smiles on Browns' future, Bill Livingston says Monday, August 27, 2007 Bill Livingston Plain Dealer Columnist Bernie Kosar was the last (almost) great quarterback the Browns had. He thinks the savior now, no matter who the next quarterback will be, is offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski. Kosar can wield a sharp tongue. He never shied away from speaking his mind as a player, and he doesn't as a television analyst during exhibition season either. Some of us remember that, after a playoff loss in Miami following his rookie season in 1985, he ripped the Browns' play-calling and said the two-minute offense "just isn't at the NFL level." It led directly to the hiring of Lindy Infante as the team's offensive coordinator in the mid-1980s and to that era's agonizing series of Super Bowl near-misses. At the same time, despite end-of-career stops elsewhere, the Browns were and are Kosar's team. He obviously wants them to win. He will never be "cynisistic," a word he coined Saturday night during the victory in Denver. He was going for "cynical." He also said "procrastinate" and then chuckled, because he knew he had missed the sound-alike he was aiming for, "prognosticate." The word means "predict." Some of his comments were not only praise for the current offensive scheme, but also implied slaps at what went before. Let's just say "beautiful" would not seem to be his adjective of choice for the mind of Maurice Carthon, last season's belatedly resigned offensive coordinator. "That's the same pattern Kellen Winslow [Jr.] ran for his first touchdown catch [last year]," Kosar said, "but now it's been dressed up with motion and looks like a real NFL play." Another time, as Brady Quinn marched the team downfield in another impressive performance, Kosar said, "We're finally getting the shifts and motion" to confuse defenders. "Finally" says a lot. Kosar was an ugly duckling at quarterback. He used his smarts to overcome his physical deficiencies. But he also won with his nerve. Kosar was talking about the way he approached the game a week or so ago when a listener brought up a scene from the movie "Patton." "Audacity, always audacity," Patton lectures, quoting Napoleon. That was Bernie Kosar - first, last, always. He aggressively lobbied to go for the big play. He was never a fan of "run, run, pass," his term for stale calls on first, second and third down. Those of us who covered Browns games when novelty songs about Kosar played on the radio and the Super Bowl seemed so close remember that he began the showdown game at Cincinnati in 1986 with a bomb to Reggie Langhorne. It became a Browns' rout. When the Browns finally broke through at old Three Rivers Stadium in '86, they clinched the victory, leading by only three points, when Kosar hit the Steelers on a deep fade to Langhorne rather than running the ball off-tackle. Kosar really arrived in a masterful performance on Monday night against the Dolphins that year. Afterward, The Plain Dealer's Chuck Heaton, who had covered them all, called Otto Graham, who is on the short list of greatest players in Browns' history. The greatest QB they ever had gave the kid a thumbs-up. Kosar is no kid now. But whoever wins the current quarterback race, he says this is no time to be cynisistic in procrastinating the future. To reach Bill Livingston: blivingston@plaind.com, 216-999-4672
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Good to see Bernie keeping close... I loved his call on 3rd and 5 when we ran and he said.. "Traditionally if you plan to for it on 4th you run it on 3rd to try to get 4th and 2... I fought with a lot of coaches to just let me throw it twice." 
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Bernie, there were a few times he would say something and chuckle to himself, or say a smartbutt comment about someone or something, I turned up the volme, just so i didnt miss anything he said, he was enjoyable, is little fun stabes at former team mates unless you are a browns fan wouldnt catch, Bernie
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He's great, so smart and yet down-to-earth.
I re-watched the game of NFL Net this a.m.,, no work today my back's killing me... maybe I think this just because it's Bernie, but you get the feeling he's more football-savvy than 90 per cent of the colour commentators in the NFL.
Too bad he's not polished enough (and too honest) to make it a full-time gig.
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Kosar really arrived in a masterful performance on Monday night against the Dolphins that year. Afterward, The Plain Dealer's Chuck Heaton, who had covered them all, called Otto Graham, who is on the short list of greatest players in Browns' history.
It was also a cold Nov. night that a lifelong Browns fan took his 10 year old boy to go see his first game... The dad looked at his son after a 300 yard performance turned in by Kosar and said, "some things in life you will forget as you get older but going to your first Browns game at Municipal Stadium will be something you will NEVER forget."
My dad was right, I remember everything about that night... I have been hooked ever since...
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Too bad he's not polished enough (and too honest) to make it a full-time gig.
Thats what makes him great, no polish, just Bernie...whats cool is Bernie knows Browns fan, he knows we what a real person call the game not some polital correct broadcaster who says all right thinigs, Bernie knows if it stinks than call it what it probebly is, dont diddy dally around call it Crap...B\
Bottom Line Bernie is Real
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You can't polish a tennis shoe.. Bernie is PF Flyers all the way.. those were the last honest tennis shoe made in america I think..
Anyway, he's not all that articulate, but if you listen to him, you will know instantly, that he knows of what he speaks.
I get such a kick out of it, the man knows what a Defense is going to do before they know I think,,, Scary... But fun to listen too.
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I get such a kick out of it, the man knows what a Defense is going to do before they know I think,,, Scary... But fun to listen too.
I love watching the game and hearing him call out the defense before the play. And pointing out the reads for how he knows what is coming. Just second nature to him.
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I loved watching Bernie play, but I can't stand to hear him do commentary. It's just awful. Sorry, just my humble opinion.
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ya apparently he either drinks too much or has parkinson's (both popular opinions) ... but he has some great incites. personally i wish he was the regular season color man too
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I really like Bernie as a commentator.
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i really like Bernie's commentary as well, although he does sound a little drunk on air.
I love/hate (because he's right) on the plays where the defense creeps up and he says "this play isn't going anywhere" and sure enough we hand it off so predictably and get stuffed for little or no gain
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He is a very good commentator.
Being a QB, he favors the pass, but calls defenses and adjustments prior to the snap, and during analysis.
No one else does that.
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If you sit back and take a look at the Browns from an outsiders view, they do have potential. Romeo Crennel is heading into his 3rd year of headcoaching. The offensive coordinator is young and seems to have great potential. The browns are a young team and we finally have some great young talent. Braylon, Jamal Lewis, Brady Quinn, steinbach, joe thomas, kellen winslow, sean jones, kamerion wimbley, leigh bodden, eric wright, leon williams, d'qwell jackson.. all good young talent. if we give romeo 2 more years i guarantee you he takes us to the playoffs.. by 2009.
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....if we give romeo 2 more years i guarantee you he takes us to the playoffs.. by 2009.
By 2009, I'm hoping for an AFC Championship...
the teams has the talent to make the playoffs now, the players just have to execute.. its as simple as that..
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the teams has the talent to make the playoffs now, the players just have to execute.. its as simple as that..
I agree that execution is important, but I don't think we have assembled ALL the talent needed to get to the Playoffs,, one need look no further than the Dline and lack of Depth at WR to see that.
Given that we won't have a 1st round pick next season, I think it's gonna take 2 more drafts to get everything we need.. Unless of course we get luck in FA.. then that would change everything.
Get me Dlinemen that rank up there like Stieny ranks on the Oline,, and we are talking.
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I loved watching Bernie play, but I can't stand to hear him do commentary. It's just awful. Sorry, just my humble opinion.
Why? What's so awful?
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Given that we won't have a 1st round pick next season, I think it's gonna take 2 more drafts to get everything we need.. Unless of course we get luck in FA.. then that would change everything.
I have to give props to Phil on combining free agency and the draft to fill our needs with quality players... Steiner, Robaire, McKinney, Joe T & Kenny Wright. Five immediate starters right there... I think next year he'll be able to get us a monster DE (draft?), a future RB to learn behind and spell Jamal (draft?) and a WR or two (draft & FA?) and one or two other tweaks like maybe an NT and another DE and/or DB. Say we do that and say Quinn wins the starting job, Joe T & Eric Wright are in their second year, Wimbley, Leon & DQ in their 3rd years, LCB comes back at full speed (90%?) and everyone has stayed relatively healthy... What kind of season do you envision then? What kind of off season do you picture in '09 when we truly should be able to take BPA in FA & the draft? Makes me all squishy inside. 
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Given that we won't have a 1st round pick next season, I think it's gonna take 2 more drafts to get everything we need.. Unless of course we get luck in FA.. then that would change everything.
I don't think one first round pick sets us back a whole year.... what we really need is once, JUST ONCE, to find that diamond in the rough... for one of our later picks to turn out to be a Marques Colston (sp?).... for Pittman to turn out to be the next Dwight Freeney or something like that.... it happens to other teams, it's about time it happens for us...
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Leigh Bodden, Andra Davis, Josh Cribbs, Ryan Pontbriand Justin Hamilton is working on it so is Brandon MacDonald, Simon Fraser, DeMario Minter, David McMillan... The grass on the other side isn't too much greener
Browns is the Browns
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Ok purp.. I appreciate the effort... I'll give you Bodden, if he can stay healthy, he has a chance... Everybody on the bottom line is in the "maybe" column...as you say, they still have a chance. But c'mon... Pontbriand was drafted in the 5th round to be a long snapper... he's a good long snapper... that hardly equates to finding Dwight Freeney... Josh Cribbs is a good return guy and possible good WR.... Andra Davis is a solid LB who has had his skills exaggerated because he was one of our few bright spots on defense for a long time.... So we still have some that have a chance to do what I said... but until one of them does, I will continue to pout and feel sorry for myself... 
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well, i didn't realize that by "Diamond in the Rough" you meant Undrafted Free Agent turns starter Davis & Pontbriand are both Rnd 5 selections that have their starting spots locked up. Cribbs was an UDFA that is a legitimate star as a KR and is turning into a decent WR. Yes, the others are works in progress... but Bodden shows how quick you can go from being a messy lump of clay to becoming a Ming Vase. On that note, I'll agree that we could definitely use more of it. If nothing else, to help offset the years of missing on every conceivable draft selection, undrafted free agent AND free agent signing. This isn't a rebuild, it's a freaking Exorcism.
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well, i didn't realize that by "Diamond in the Rough" you meant Undrafted Free Agent turns starter
You are right on the front end, wrong on the back end... I'm talking 5th round or lower pick or UDFA turned superstar... not just starter... somebody that ESPN talks about on a weekly basis, somebody they make highlight reels put to music about...
Honestly though, now that I read what I just wrote... it would be nice if one of our FIRST ROUND picks became that good too....
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lol, no kidding.... I'll wait for a draft pick to achieve that before I wait for an UDFA to pull it off, hehe.
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I loved watching Bernie play, but I can't stand to hear him do commentary. It's just awful. Sorry, just my humble opinion.
Graduating law school has made you kinda uppity ain't it?
For us "common folk" we kinda like people keeping it real.
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but I don't think we have assembled ALL the talent needed to get to the Playoffs,, one need look no further than the Dline and lack of Depth at WR to see that.
Given that we won't have a 1st round pick next season, I think it's gonna take 2 more drafts to get everything we need.. Unless of course we get luck in FA.. then that would change everything.
Nooooo ... next year is the year were ready to get into the playoffs .... we don't need 2 more years .... all we need is 1 STUD NT and/or DE .... R. Smith is good enough ... and if u get a STUD in the middle .... Roye will hopefully get one more year ... either that or get a STUD DE and just get a SPACE EATER (possibly S. Smith) for the middle .....
WR's are EASY to find for depth ..... we will be VERY GOOD at the IMPORTANT SPOTS ... other than DL and we play the 3-4 so the LBer's pick that unit up some ....
next year we will have one of IF NOT THE BEST LEFT SIDES ONT HE OL IN FOOTBALL (man thats fun to type .. and even better cause its true .. *L*) ...
I gotta run .. I'll finish later tonight or tommorow .. were not as far off as u may think ...
and i find it funny that U think we need 2 years to make a run at the playoffs AFTER U said how smart peenie was after I blasted him for thinking we had enough TALENT to win 9 games this year (very possibly enough wins to make the playoffs NOW .... the last wild card team usually has 9 or 10 wins but a few have snuck in with as few as 8 .... ) ...
so witch is it????????? *LOL* ....
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Given that we won't have a 1st round pick next season, I think it's gonna take 2 more drafts to get everything we need.. Unless of course we get luck in FA.. then that would change everything.
I don't think one first round pick sets us back a whole year.... what we really need is once, JUST ONCE, to find that diamond in the rough... for one of our later picks to turn out to be a Marques Colston (sp?).... for Pittman to turn out to be the next Dwight Freeney or something like that.... it happens to other teams, it's about time it happens for us...
Oh geez,...little off the topic but I just had a scary thought.
Whoever we get next year better not have Condon as his agent,...I can see it now,....Well,..he wasn't a first rd pick,..but he was YOUR first pick,...so therefor he should get 1st rd money.
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the teams has the talent to make the playoffs now, the players just have to execute.. its as simple as that..
I agree that execution is important, but I don't think we have assembled ALL the talent needed to get to the Playoffs,, one need look no further than the Dline and lack of Depth at WR to see that.
Given that we won't have a 1st round pick next season, I think it's gonna take 2 more drafts to get everything we need.. Unless of course we get luck in FA.. then that would change everything.
Get me Dlinemen that rank up there like Stieny ranks on the Oline,, and we are talking.
When the Browns made the playoffs last... did u think they had enough talent to get there?
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Been sayin' it since December...TWO YEAR PLAN!!! And we got one up by that unbelievably should-be ILLEGAL coo Savage pulled off in April... Thomas/Quinn/Wright...Still shakin' my head...And I didn't even WANT a Corner day one... The writing's on the wall...3rd Wide-outs are a dime a dozen nowadays...Wilson needs to get his head outta his ass or we're gonna be lookin' for a TWO real soon...We gonna hit FA and the Draft day one to replace some aging DL...Replacing Lewis is another issue...But I would not be surprised if we ink this dude for another 3 years or so...Tell me Bettis/Smith were washed up after the age of 28...LOL...NOT... The writing's also on the wall for this Diam...Brady Quinn will be the starting QB of this team as soon as GAME THREE...You may not like it...But if we go 0-2 to start...Or even 1-1 and Frye stinks up the joint...BOOK IT...This kid HAS IT...I'd like to see GAME FIVE or THE BYE WEEK...But I'm not makin' the calls here... I don't give a chit who he's been playin' against...This kid has a PRESENCE in the POCKET...It's OBVIOUS...And it's a welcome sight... ANYONE who thinks Quinn won't play till 2008 is fooling themselves....
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maybe I think this just because it's Bernie, but you get the feeling he's more football-savvy than 90 per cent of the colour commentators in the NFL.
Adding to that thought, I think he's more football savvy than at least half the OC's in the NFL.
Sure would love to have him in the booth calling plays from on high... a halfway-decent team could shred D's into confetti.
...but since he isn't, I'll continue enjoying him from the broadcast booth.
p.s. sorry to hear about your back, bro- feel better soon.
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Thanks clem, it's improved, not 100 per cent but a lot better. Sciatic nerve, happens to me once every year or so...
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next year we will have one of IF NOT THE BEST LEFT SIDES ONT HE OL IN FOOTBALL (man thats fun to type .. and even better cause its true .. *L*) ...
I never thought that I would hear this. You are actually sounding optomistic. I think there is reason to be optomistic and it is not all the payers. Chudzinski is starting to make the team look like an NFL team according to Kozar. Do we owe this to Savage or Crennel? Someone felt that Davidson was not the OC type and took a look at San Diego's offense and made a move.
If we can make our players start believing then we can change things just like Lewis did at Cinn. The only weak link may be our QB or our WRs but that could change also.
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This is the first year I could watch Browns pre-season games on TV, unless it was national - I'd never heard Bernie do TV. Know what else I like about him doing telecasts, which I forgot to mention earlier? He says "we" all the time when he talks about the Browns. Which is what "we" do.
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I've never noticed.... Does Bernie wear his Cowboys' Super Bowl Ring... ?
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all we need is 1 STUD NT and/or DE .... R. Smith is good enough ... and if u get a STUD in the middle
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and i find it funny that U think we need 2 years to make a run at the playoffs AFTER U said how smart peenie was after I blasted him for thinking we had enough TALENT to win 9 games this yea
I should have known that you would compare apples to oranges.. We do have MOST of the talent assembled.,. Peen was saying we already HAVE ALL the talent we need.. That I disagreee with.. And as usual, you miss the point entirely. Instead of just saying to Peen, "we are close but not entirely there yet" you decided to attack him with your typical rude commentary style. That I didn't like and I let it be known..
But you know what, if being rude makes you feel as if your are the BMOC,,, Be my guest
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Know what else I like about him doing telecasts, which I forgot to mention earlier? He says "we" all the time when he talks about the Browns. Which is what "we" do.
lol..
my girl always asks why I say we too... haha
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And we got one up by that unbelievably should-be ILLEGAL coo Savage pulled off in April...
Thomas/Quinn/Wright...Still shakin' my head...And I didn't even WANT a Corner day one... Ha..you and a lot of other dawgs will learn not to yank that red flag and challenge me when I call for a positional pick in the draft I knew that was coming and I almost had the player pegged..his skillset rivals Revis/Ross etc..it was just the off the field mess that clouded the issue.. But if I had one thing that annoyed me it was not having a pick in rounds 3 -4 ..then trading down with Dallas again in the 6th made us miss out on several DT's..oh well guess you can't have everything..
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See,I'm torn here. I think if you just look at "potential talent" we could win nine games with what we have. And I'll give you the fact that the DL is a weak point and that we can't stop the run. "Most teams" that win eight or nine games "have a major definciancy". Let me preface my following comments BEFORE I get blasted as trying to compare us to the Colts or the Rams,because I'm not. But look at how far the Colts got over the past several years. (WAY more than nine games won) And untill last year during the playoffs,they couldn't stop the run either. My point is,only teams with "the complete package",usually win it all. (OR GREAT D's) But many teams with some major deficiancy can win 9 games. The Rams also won WAY MORE than 9 games giving up TONS of points along the way in some years. I could probably go through many teams that made the playoffs,or came within a game of it last year,or any year,that had some major deficiancy on their team in some major department. Point being,we have the O talent here to put up a LOT of points! Enough that we could win a lot of games without a great run D. The problem is.they are just too young and we haven't had an O scheme in place to accomplish this IMO Here's what I'm saying. We won 4 games last year. Here are five that we lost......................... WK 1 19-14 N. Orl. WK 3 15-14 Balt. WK 5 20-12 Car. WK 7 17-7 Denver WK 17 14-6 Houston Now there are FIVE games that could have been won IF we could put up 21 points or more consistantly. Now I'm not predicting we will win nine games. Quinn isn't ready to do that. But if the OL gels quickly,the "oppertunity" to win nine games will most likely present itself. But our youth will prevent us from taking advantage of it. So I don't feel it's a question of "having the talent to pull off nine wins". I just think that talent isn't developed enough and the O scheme isn't established enough for that to happen yet. JMHO
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What you didn't mention was that those two teams the Colts/Rams had that talent on hand for several seasons before they became consistant winners..
I see us winning 6 -8 games depending on several factors.
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I can't believe you are comparing the Browns to the Colts... Sheeesh... the teams with "major deficiencies" that you mention also had other areas to compensate where they were at or near the tops in the league..... The Browns have 2 types of areas... those where we think we will be good (or improved) and those we won't... There is not one single aspect of the game in which the Browns strike fear into anybodys heart... Nobody fears our passing game or our running game... our passing defense or our run defense.... We can win 9 games with a weak run defense if... IF, IF the offense gets it together quickly and often.. The Colts... THE COLTS? Are you kidding me? sheesh.
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