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Pretty simple really. We won 4 games last year. I showed five more we would have won if we could consistantly have put up 21 points. Uh,you don't have to be the Rams or the Colts to consistantly put up 21 points. 
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I showed five more we would have won if we could consistantly have put up 21 points.
Actually the flaw in your logic is that if our offense was scoring more points, that our defense would have remained the same... A lot of the teams we played went VERY conservative on us after they got a lead because they knew we couldn't move the football.... if we were marching up and down the field scoring points, this would have forced our opponents to stay a little more "wide open" and odds are we would have given up more points too....
How many times last year in a lower scoring game did we score to get it closer only to watch the other team march it down our throats and extend the lead again? I can't tell you off the top of my head, but I seem to remember it happeneing a few times...
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The Browns have 2 types of areas... those where we think we will be good (or improved) and those we won't... There is not one single aspect of the game in which the Browns strike fear into anybodys heart... Nobody fears our passing game or our running game... our passing defense or our run defense.... We can win 9 games with a weak run defense if... IF, IF the offense gets it together quickly and often..
You really need to read the entire post DC.
Bottom line of it?
We have the "talent assembled" to pull off nine wins.
They are too young and need to be developed before that will happen.
We have never had an O scheme or the ability to put up 21 + points consistantly.
With the arrival of JT,Steinbach,Quinn and Chud,I believe we DO "have the talent" to do that. But it will take time for this to all come together.
So no, in all likelihood won't happen this year. But having the talent assembled to make nine wins a possibilty is not the issue here. We have "the talent" to do it. Just too much innexperience on the part of that talent.
It's their youth and youthfull mistakes that will make the difference,not the talent.
It will be them adjusting to and learning Chuds system,not the talent.
Shoring up that DL,another "HOT WR" and letting that secondary develop?
That makes us a "well rounded team" that has the potential to go DEEP in the playoffs. That's not what we're talking about here.
We just talking about 9 wins. Big difference between the two.............
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I see us winning 6 -8 games depending on several factors.
I do too.
Our weapons to win nine games are not developed enough to reach that potential. They're here already,just not developed enough..................yet.
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Know what else I like about him doing telecasts, which I forgot to mention earlier? He says "we" all the time when he talks about the Browns. Which is what "we" do. 
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my girl always asks why I say we too... haha
Things are getting a little off topic here. This is about our boy Bernie...
Haha, when I get yapping about the Browns at work and saying stuff like, "we need to get off to a good start" my buddy will say "what's this WE stuff? Do you play for them?"
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How can I take seriously the opinion of anybody who compared the Browns to the Colts? The defending super bowl champion Colts..... to the 4 win Browns.... 
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And by that very same logic DC,you would have to contend we haven't made upgrades in several key areas to improve as well. Wimbley/Jackson in their second season verses rookies. Major upgrades to the OL. Upgrade in our secondary with the addition of Wright. The obvious talent of Quinn. While they may have played somewhat conservatively in "some of those cases" at the very same time,we have improved ourselves from a talent standpoint in many major areas. And when you "play conservatively",isn't that WHEN you run the ball the most? And isn't that the very same part of our team that people point to as our "major weakness"?
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How can I take seriously the opinion of anybody who compared the Browns to the Colts? The defending super bowl champion Colts..... to the 4 win Browns....
By reading this part of my post.......................
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Let me preface my following comments BEFORE I get blasted as trying to compare us to the Colts or the Rams,because I'm not.
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Nope, we have made strides.. but we're still not the Colts... our defense probably isn't even as good as the Colts... and our offense is still lightyears away... Anybody with half a brain can see that...
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Nope, we have made strides.. but we're still not the Colts... our defense probably isn't even as good as the Colts... and our offense is still lightyears away... Anybody with half a brain can see that...
Well,if you decide to discuss what I did say,rather than perpetuate things I've already pointed out that I didn't say,maybe we'll have something to discuss on this issue.
Or,maybe not.
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And I'll give you the fact that the DL is a weak point and that we can't stop the run. "Most teams" that win eight or nine games "have a major definciancy".
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But look at how far the Colts got over the past several years. (WAY more than nine games won) And untill last year during the playoffs,they couldn't stop the run either.
This is what you said... the Colts couldn't stop the run and they won a lot of games going deep into the playoffs... we can't stop the run so we should win 8 or 9 games...
Seems to me your point is that one key to a good football team is not being able to stop the run. 
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Our weapons to win nine games are not developed enough to reach that potential When that one player on offense gets the pro game down ..this offense will be deadly.. Right now defenses are not afraid of our QB's..but from what I've seen the new kid can strike some fear in them if he continues to progress.. I saw some things in him that made me smile.. U just wonder if thats just the tidbit ..and how much can BQ grow..
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Here's what I'm saying. We won 4 games last year. Here are five that we lost.........................
WK 1 19-14 N. Orl.
WK 3 15-14 Balt.
WK 5 20-12 Car.
WK 7 17-7 Denver
WK 17 14-6 Houston
Now there are FIVE games that could have been won IF we could put up 21 points or more consistantly.
Sorry but I have to disagree with you here. The Denver and Carolina losses were complete blow-outs. Not measured by the score, but by the performance of the team.
The Browns were not competitive in those games. The other teams just played ball control and won the game.
If you wanted to point to a game, the Pittsburgh game in Cleveland was much more competitive. They even played San Diego tougher than expected.
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That's fine. Just for grins,take the two games out you stated. That's still "seven wins" LAST year if we could put up a "consistant 21 points" is it not? Now the case in point is not "will we win nine games". It's already been established that most of us do not feel that at all reasonable given the youth of a great deal of our talent. The case in point is "have we assembled the talent" to win nine games? As long as Mo was here,the guys sitting at the bar could predict three fourths of our offensive plays. Boy WAS it offensive! Now we have Chuds O (which I can tell you from a glimpse is far better),Quinn,Steinbech,JT,Eric Wright................ We have both Wimbley and D'Quell in year two instead of rookies.................. Considering we could have pulled off seven wins last year by putting up a consistant 21 points (by your belief that two of the five I mentioned were not possible) that's saying that with this great infusion of talent and a better O scheme,we're not 2 games better in the talent department than last year?
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Now there are FIVE games that could have been won IF we could put up 21 points or more consistantly.
Our offense has been the problem. We lack consistancy partly because we change coaches and OCs and partly because we were depending on defense and one or two stars Like Garcia or Droughns (stars for Us) to make the offense work. B. Davis didn't know how to create an offense and Crennel started over.
We got defense first but now we're focused on offense and not WRs. Savage knows how the offense should be created with Oline. Crennel knows that disiplined teams, that don't make mistakes, win. We are starting to build a winning team.
I think we could easily have a winning season if Lewis and Wright can average 100-150 yards running and recieving. IF Frye continues to get 250 yards passing then we have 350-400 yards in offense and more points with a disiplined team.
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I think that it is a bit premature to postulate this years outcome, based on last years results.
I think the Browns will be more productive on offense. I think the improved OL, Lewis and a healthy KW2, along with Chuds offensive approach will eventually result in more points and a more competitive team.
It is not unusual to see teams make great turn-arounds in a season, Part of it depends on the other teams in your division, and injuries. Last year NO made a complete turn around 3-13 to 10-6. Duece was healthy, the Katrina saga was over. People forget that TB went the other way, 11-5 to 4-12 as they were never really able to recover from the loss of Simms.
Despite the influx of some senior citizen to play for the team, the Browns are relatively young, and there are few players with more than 3 years experince. The bad drafts, and subsequent purge left the team with few established productive players and a lot of 1 and 2 year players. This is one reason the Browns are so far under the cap. The number of players that have been re-signed or extended is relatively small. Bodden and Davis are the most notable examples.
This year the Browns will have the following new starters or player that have been moved.
Thomas
Steinbach
McKinney
Shaffer
Lewis
Vickers
S. Smith
R. Smith
A. Peek
B. Pool
E. Wright
11 new players, a full 50 percent turn over in starters, I doubt if there is any other team in the league with such a turn over in starters. That coupled with a new offensive approach, it is difficult to project that this team can make a substantial improvement.
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This Bernie Kosar thread was enjoyable, but now is completely f-ed up by posts containing ideas and predictions that have been rehashed a million times. Oh, just clickin on you, charger.
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This Bernie Kosar thread was enjoyable, but now is completely f-ed up by posts containing ideas and predictions that have been rehashed a million times.
Oh, just clickin on you, charger.
It all started when Pit said the Browns are as good as the Colts. 
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Kosar can wield a sharp tongue.
 I knew Livingston was a dolt but that is too rich for words.
Bernie used the word 'cynicistic" during the last game. What does that mean? Really I love him. It's too bad he can't speak football without having to use English.
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Bernie used the word 'cynicistic" during the last game. What does that mean?
Just tried my Mirriam-Webster site and it does not recognize this word. By guessing I would think it was referring to some one being cynical. JMHO
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Just tried my Mirriam-Webster
I just looked up Mirriam and it called me a dummy,, because I spelled it wrong
Just busting on ya Stabber
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I get the "WE" stuff all the time...everybody I know says it like that...I say "WE" without thinking about it... but I believe we all (the fans) ARE part of the team. After all, without us there wouldn't be team in Cleveland...and no money to pay the players...I'm very comfortable saying "WE."
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