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I believe Dorsey will get this right also but one thing you didn't mention but I figure you know is the new coach will have to be able to work with Baker ...

The Browns are in a position where they could become really good, really quickly. I know I know.. there's always next year, but this is not something I've made a habit of saying in the past.

It has more to do with the amount of outstanding young talent at premium positions. There are a lot of good vets on the team. There's still a ton of cap space, extra picks. Dorsey has looked like the real deal so far.. he has to keep that pipeline open, just keep bringing in players so there aren't any weaknesses, 1 to 53.

I've said about all I can say about Hue (note: I've said this before and lo and behold, there was more to say!) but one of the legitimately good reasons behind bringing him back this year was to give Dorsey the chance to evaluate things as a whole. See how the Cleveland Browns function. If push comes to shove, he could add a lot of young talent and improve the culture of the team and I believe he's done exactly that. This head coaching job is a lot more desirable now than it was in the off-season.

Now he just has to get it right. I trust in him to do the job well. This is by far the most important thing he has to get right this off-season. The thing that worries me is Haslam meddling and just having to get that "big name" coach. Dorsey and the new guy have to get along well, they have to see things similarly-- in scheme, attention to detail, scouting, etc. No more clash of personalities where guys don't get along or mixing different schemes, etc. It does not work!

Please, Jimmy, just let Dorsey handle it. You made a good hire, now let him do his job.

I trust Dorsey because there is a good legitimate amount of time to hire at this Juncture. He has the time to search without being desperate through the stretch. He can actually be dilligint in his search and go over everything with a fine tooth comb.

Dorsey will have lots of very good candidates to weed through and given that we aren’t hiring a head coach for just the next couple of years but for the next decade I think it’s safe to say Gregg will not be getting the job. The fact Gregg is interim head coach will carry zero weight. Continuity will mean little to Dorsey at this point and if anything it’s a negative.

Williams has a 6-7 week interview. He cleary has a advantage. If we start winning games and the team responds, it will be hard to get rid of him.

I agree. People saying that Dorsey will no way keep Williams is a weak argument. If the progress continues, and the team starts winning, I can't believe Dorsey would throw that out just because he can. He is looking for a winning combination, and if it is present already why would a guy like Dorsey remove it just to put his own guy in there. He doesn't come off as a guy that is that petty. Results appear to be what he relies on.

Things could change over the next six weeks, if improvement stops and it is obvious that the present staff is not achieving what he is looking for, then I could see him changing everything. But if it continues to progress, I believe Dorsey is smart enough to understand that the continuity will benefit this young team.

If williams can be the guy, its just makes everything easier. Makes next year easier, makes the draft and FA easier. I'd say if he can win 3 of these last games you keep him

I am more optimistic now, and there is a sweet number of draft picks coming. What kind of deficiency are we seeing now given another slew of major changes? What progress we are seeing is so objectionable? Why should success under the burden of many learning curves get thrown out? If we find better, then great. These guys need a fair shake as they play out.

Not sure why some of our dawgs feel it is an automatic firing. If the chemistry is here with these guys, a little loyalty is in order.

Does it even really matter? No matter who he hires won't have the job long enough to stall their system let alone their own culture. Haslem will do what he ALWAYS does and fire whoever gets the job in 2 seasons or less.

Why do you say Gregg will not be getting the job?

If the team does well over the next 6 games.. I think they'd be damn fools not to give him the job.

Have you ever know this team to NOT act like they are run by fools. I mean it's Haslem that runs things. Not Dorsey.

Respectfully, I think giving Gregg the job just because we do well the next 6 games would be foolish. Lots can happen over the next 6 games and many coaches have gone through some short good runs only to be eventually fired. I feel Dorsey is smarter than that. You pick the best HC available.... period. What are the odds that that happens to be our former Defensive Coordinator? Sure it’s possible but I think highly unlikely. If we were hiring for just next year then sure but we aren’t and shouldn’t be. So pick the BEST available... not the guy who happens to be here (unless he is the best available.)

Harbaugh will be available

Harbaugh probably won't be available.

I don't think he'd be a good fit for the Browns anyway. I actually think he's a great coach. People like to give him a hard time because of some personality quirks and because he's been known to lose some big games in his career (sometimes in unusually heart-breaking fashion.)

He gets his guys to play hard and above their talent level. Stanford was a contender for a national championship. Three straight seasons with at least a conference championship birth with the 49ers. Michigan is playing good football, they're not the most talented team in the Big Ten (that is obviously the Buckeyes) but he has them playing sound football even if that didn't show so much today.

There's never been a scandal under his watch that I know of, on any of his teams. Not unless you count awkward handshakes and such as scandals. Some do... I don't.

That said, he does have that sort of abrasive personality that I don't think would fit in very well with this young team and uncertain coaching staff. We saw how that can affect a team with Haley and Hue. Harbaugh also isn't so much known for innovative football. A lot of it is old school although part of that might just be due to personnel.

Good coach, but I'd look elsewhere for where the Browns are right now.

I'd like to agree with you but he's proven in the past he's willing to do some really dumb stuff.

The upside this time is I don't think Dorsey would stand for it, so he'd probably quit if forced to hire a coach he didn't want and if that happened it would probably be the last straw for this fanbase/franchise and hit ol' Haslam in the pockets, the one thing he cares about.

Nope for me

Which Harbaugh?

Did Dorsey not send him an application yet, or what?

I love Bruce Arians and think he is a very good coach. I don’t think he is the right coach for this team. Arians just had to miss announcing a game last week due to health problems.

Matt Campbell come on down.

I’d like Matt Campbell more if I knew what his NFL offense would be.

No idea.
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0/ Give Williams 2.5 years.

I want to see if he can equal (ahem, previous coach)es greatness.

Seriously, Why hire a coach which would mean tearing everything down, roster wise, and scheme wise, when the young group of players if finally in place.

Plus, the Browns already used their extra supplemental draft picks Sashi gave them,

So, the right move is keep the team together and see what they can do with Interim Coach in control and past influences out of the way.

The right move is to keep the team together, develop an identity, a "brand" of football,

and develop young coaches from within, promote from within.

Promote from Within, which they did, a few weeks ago.

So Now? See the plan through, for oh, maybe 2.5 years like Hue got.


( Sticking with the plan, it's the one thing the Browns haven't tried since 1999, and unless you include the guy who had the historically two worst win loss records in team and largely "league" history, they haven't stuck with a plan.)

If Williams is even semi competent, He's yonng enough, the only way to change now, is if Williams stays on,

Otherwise they should go at least 2.5 years, because it shows stability as a franchise.

I don't think it is that simple. Does the public know all that went down the day Haley, Saunders, Williams, etc. played musical chairs.
Jimmy is still the owner, and Who hired Dorsey.

Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal.

Actually at the beginning of the season I was all for giving Hue the entire season. I mean I felt he deserved the entire year with some talent to see what he could do having at least average team talent. I actually thought it started pretty well. That game against the Saints was pretty good. Yes, it ended in an L but they are a great team and we fought them tooth and nail.

But as time went on we got worse, not better. The gradual improvement simply wasn't there. By the time he was let go I didn't really care one way or the other. We weren't on the trajectory I had felt we should be on.

It wouldn't surprise me if Haslam felt the same way. People can change their mind or become ambivalent about a situation when given more evidence.

Arians not only has wanted to HC the Browns for many years he is now saying he would keep FK as OC and consider GW as DC. Any possibility that would work? To be fair I doubt GW goes for that after being successful in pulling this team back into some semblance of viability.

While we looked pretty good last week, I think it's still early to say the Browns are a viable team. I think we'll need a little more evidence before we can come to that conclusion. Hopefully some great evidence to bolster that opinion will come today!

I feel ya. I didn’t mean to imply they’ve climbed out of the pit completely but more in the sense that they aren’t the laughing stock Hue and Todd we’re making them look to be. Honestly I’m just impressed with the increase in discipline and decrease in penalties which was a serious issue for all of Hues time here.

Kitchens is making a strong push to stay IMO

If he keeps this up he basically has to stay.