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Dude thinks Sashi won the war ... ...

Any clue how anyone with an ounce of logic could come to the conclusion that either Sashi or Hue won this particualr war? ...

Crap ... going back to the math teacher i used to be ...

Whats the equation where Sasho won anything ...

1 + 1 = 2,756,987 ...

Sasho won the war ... ...

LoL diam... how about: Sashi is the shinier turd?

You don't really follow the Browns, do you?

We do but I'm not sure you do. Where is Sashi again? Seems like the entire NFL disagrees with you.

If you don't see the effects of Sashi on this team you're obviously not paying attention.

I have read several articles, tweets, etc. that wish to have Sashi come to their team and do what he did for the Browns.

But if you wish to continue your arrogance (and ignorance), be my guest.

Who were these Tweets by? A bunch of know nothing fans?

Yeah, well not one NFL team, you know, those who actually know something have hired Sashi. Try again. lmao

It's simple. Who contributed more to the present and long term success of the Cleveland Browns? Clearly, it is Sashi, as Hue contributed absolutely nothing positive to this organization.

As it pertains to the Browns, a rational argument cannot be made that Hue contributed more to the organization than Sashi.

Hue ended up embarrassing several posters on this board (Baker did, too). People don't like being embarrassed.

Hue's only employed in the NFL because he's buddy-buddy with Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown doesn't have to open his wallet to pay him this year ($250k is a drop in the bucket).

Onward and upward. Go Browns!

Aweee. he had to pump his widdle chest.

It's ok to be wrong... Takes a strong person to admit when they're wrong.

This is how embarrassed people react.

Emojis. LMAOs, baby talk.

Naaaa ... just a casual fan ... have a very very basic understanding of most of the important concepts ... i thank my lucky stars for guys like u that teach me sumptin new everyday ...

I often refer to u in PM’s to others as Obi Wan ...

Thanks so much for taking the time to help us minions ... ya da dawg ..

YO LAMP much better huh ... i typed it all w/o puking even once .... ...

PIT .... hows this for logic ... i need to borrow my equation for device .. *LOL* ...

After this post .. i’m Done here .. appearanlty i dont have th self discipline to STY OUT OF THIS COMPLETE AND UTTER BS ... stupid diam ...

Last chance ... if i can’t just talk football i’n suspending myself til ... sunday ... yup ...

Back the the math ...

Sashi won the war cause he contributed more to the long term success of the team by aquiring all those picks and creating all that cap room ...

They also say that if we had any other coach than the worst coach EVER we would have won MORE GAMES .... ummmmm .... math starting to go a little WHACKY yet bro ... *L* ...

Therefore if HUE WASN’T SO BAD the Shaster would NOT HAVE HAD the #2 pick to TRADE AWAY CARSON WENTZ (THATS GOTTA LOOK AWESOME ON THE RESUME ... HIRE ME ... i’m the BAFOON that passed on Carson Wentz ... ) ...

And then the following year ... no way we have the #1 pick for him to grab MG with .. AFTERALL any BUM off the street would have won more games than Hue ..

Last but NOT LEAST ... Hue was SO BAD we went winless HANDING US THE BAKE ... cause any other coach with that talent would have won 3 or 4 games last year standing on there head ...

HOWS THAT FOR LOGIC MILK MAN ...

Yes. And getting:

Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Joe Schobert
Rashad Higgins
Britton Colquitt
JC Trettor
Kevin Zeitler
Jason McCourty
Myles Garrett
Jabril Peppers
David Njoku
Larry Ogunjobi
Jamie Collins
Extending Joel Bitonio
Extending Christian Kirksey

Geez, there is even good depth players not even mentioned that were picked up in those two years-- BBC, Kindred, Coley, etc.

AND yes, as you mentioned, providing cap space and acquiring those extra picks along the way. There were misses too, no doubt. C.Coleman, cutting Haden, Kizer, not keeping Schwartz. My point, and the point of others (if they don't mind me speaking for them) is that there was talent on this team, and for someone to suggest, say, or promote an idea that there weren't "real players" is just a flat out stupid approach. Yes, we didn't have the most important piece in terms of talent (the QB), but talent was most absolutely there. And now we are seeing it. Well, at least some people are seeing it.

And now Dorsey is adding to it with Mayfield, Ward, Chubb, Mitchell, and Randall.

It seems to me Sashi did what he was hired to do. In that respect he did a very good job. He made some personnel mistakes but he was not a personnel guy and every REAL personnel guy misses at times. He built the foundation on which we're building on now.

Ah. Since you don't follow the Browns, I see your error. Hue didn't lead us to the 2nd pick of the draft. That was already here when he arrived. And its documented that Hue was the one who said he didn't want Wentz with that pick.

And I think it's starting to look real genius to pass on Wentz and draft Mayfield. That has to be real awesome to put on your resume, actually. And had we not finished 0-16 due to Hue's ineptitude, we had the assets to trade up and get the QB we desired which likely would have been Mayfield.

Any questions?

So we put in a claim, but didn't get him. That is disheartening. Foster has been accused of domestic violence several times.

That's why he got cut, he just got busted for domestic abuse. No thank you. Stupid to put in a claim, classless to reward that behavior regardless of talent level. I'm disgusted with Dorsey right now.

That's old Browns thinking.. that we need a guy to show up in the first 6-8 games of his career... I don't care if it takes a guy half a season for the light to come on... Most of our best players are in year 3 or less... we need to draft to build something sustainable over the long term.

Whew.

Claimed by Redskins

Really glad to see that. Really glad.

Not sure we really need him.

I know the innocent until proven guilty.. but why does the league continue to give guys these chances?

But they'll drug test for weed until the cows come home.

I'm not sure how logic escapes some people.

It's become blatantly clear over the past 12 weeks that it was Hue who should have been fired and not Sashi last October.

No one was critical of the firing of Sashi because the Browns had only won 1 game since both Sashi and Hue came on board. No one would have been critical of the Browns had they fired Hue instead of Sashi. And I'm sure if that were the case that Hue would still not be employed as a HC in the NFL.

When Sashi was fired the narrative became he wasn't a football guy and he never brought Hue a quarterback... which is a lie when you consider the history. RG3, McCown, Osweiler, Kessler, Kizer. I believe all 5 of these guys played quarterback at one point this season and I think at least 3 of them started or are starting games this year. If these quarterbacks were as bad as some are saying with the "never got him a quarterback" excuse they wouldn't be starting games in the NFL this season. The fact is Hue couldn't win with them because he sucked!

And why does everyone play the "Sashi doesn't have a job in the NFL card?" Do people know what Sashi is doing? Do you know that no NFL team hasn't contacted him? Do you know that he's been trying to land a job in the NFL but has been unsuccessful? I mean heck, Mike Pettine didn't get a job in the NFL right away after being fired, did he?

I mean holy moly! The stuff that gets fabricated around here is just crazy!

To piggyback, it's presumptuous to assume Sashi Brown, who has a Harvard law degree, and I would assume numerous opportunities outside the realm of the NFL, wants to continue a career path in the NFL.

It means:

1. Haslem never follows through on a plan and that happened well before Sashi.
2. Haslem continues to be the laughstock of NFL ownership. Can't wait until JW Johnson takes over.

Also, I never said Sashi deserves all of the credit. Not once. In fact, I think the most underrated person the past two years has been Andrew Berry. Where I give Sashi props is with the overall plan set forth in 2016, which included (1) tearing down a very bad, old team with bad contracts, (2) understanding, after doing "1" and starting over from scratch, having the ability to accumulate more draft picks allows you to have a better success rate and thus building the foundation of young talent, and (3) regarding the young talent, let Berry and scouts identify players they want, and (4) building a process of infusing a much larger analytics approach to the evaulation process. This all was done simulaneously.



I'm not sure what you're driving at? Yes, I know Haslem is the owner.



I have no idea if this is true or not. I think Sashi was focused on building a team from the ground up and knew that winning would take a back seat initially. I think both Haslem and Sashi mentioned being a competitive team in 2019. Or maybe that was just Haslem, I forget. either way, I think it was clearly implied this would take time.


This is completely irrelevant. The NFL is a good ole' boy league. Hue had connections to coaches and media. I don't think Sashi did. Or at least not as many. Many people in the the NFL are pushing back and the rapidly growing aspect of analytics in the NFL. Mainly because scouts don't use it to the degree they NEED to. It's just a matter of time.


Again, irrelevant. Hue got a job days after being fired and he is horrible. It's who you know, not what you know. Did you see how long John Fox and Jeff Fisher lasted in the league. They were terrible too. The NFL is incestuous. But hopefully, not for long.

I know you were a Hue > Sashi guy. That's cool, however, I think it has been determined that was the incorrect approach.

j/c

Is Sashi currently employed anywhere? Not sure why I am just now asking

No, he is not. But I'm guessing he is still being paid like he is.

I have a philosophy in life.

Everything thing I have done, everything I have experienced, and every decision I have made has gotten me to where I am today. Am I happy with where I am?

If the answer is yes, then I have respect all those things, experiences and decisions not matter how good or bad they were at the time, but I respect the sum of their parts to create the now.

The same can hold true here with Sashi, Hue, Haslem, etc. Everything each has done, has gotten us to where we are now. I this regime and team takes us to the SB, then is all the bad not just part of the journey?

A long time ago, I purchased a used Honda 400 motorcycle, from a guy who had put several expensive performance mods into it, but was not much on maintenance. Right after purchase, I went riding with a buddy who had the exact same bike, but bone stock, though he was a stickler for maintenance. I had a hard time keeping up with him.

This actually clued me in that something was very wrong. So I spent a few dollars, and an hour or two, cleaning the air filter, putting in new plugs, and tweaking the timing just right. We went riding again, and I was blowing him into the weeds with ease.

The expensive performance mods, without the basic maintenance, actually resulted in a slower bike. The maintenance alone would have gotten me about even. Both together, combined, resulted in much superior performance. Multiple factors acted in synergy to produce the desired result. Not just one thing, but many things.

The tear-down resulted in few wins, but good draft position, more choices, and more cap room. Poor coaching made the team look worse than it really was, but this did provide benefits in draft position. Better coaching, with the assets currently on the team, has resulted in much better performance. Whoever chose Taylor over Mayfield, and Hyde over Chubb, and slow-developing pass plays over faster ones, just was not doing a very good job. Correct usage, combined with the assets available, both working together, has produced the desired result.

Sashi did what he was supposed to do, and perhaps did not have a chance to fulfill the job on the upside. Hue did not do the best possible with what was available. He did have a chance to perform with decent assets available, and failed.

IMO, both were brought in, at least potentially, as sacrificial lambs for the rebuild. Whether or not they knew this going in, they certainly should have figured it out fairly quickly.

The end result is a good one, getting better every day.

And mac,

Here is just an example of the absurdity that some media have re: Hue. So, yeah, someone like Silver will go to bat and promote certain things to help out the agenda.

"Duh...maybe someone was telling Baker that Hue was fake?"

Give me a break...No one told Baker that. Everyone could see this. EVERYONE



Here is another one:

Were you talking about Hue or Reuben Foster?

Excellent post.

I don't understand how anyone can still defend Hue or say he didn't get a fair shot. I don't think anyone is piling on either as some have claimed. They are just calling it like it is.


I remember listening to discussions on the fan about a year ago or more about hitting rock bottom and how do you know you've actually been there. We thought it was 1-15, but then 0-16... we hit rock bottom with Hue and it happened this year, without Sashi. And now we're on the climb out. Like was said in the video, it's interesting the Randall handed the ball off to Hue after the interception and he wasn't even here the past 2 seasons.


Those who said the team played hard for Hue so he should stay have to realize they were obviously wrong now.



And yes, I'm very thankful for Dorsey and I hope he's the one who gets to pick the HC for the future. Dorsey has done a lot of good and our future is bright. Let him continue to run things and get everyone on the same page. We are so close...

The other guys at the table are literally laughing at Silver.

Its like no one knows where the bouncing ball is ...

Is this really worth all this discussion ... i dont get it ...

Oh well ... file it under another one of life’s mysteries ...