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I do agree that Baker should learn to take the high road when commenting on things like Hue's joining the Bengals and stuff.

But I like his fire, his passion. I don't think he is fake, I just see him as highly competitive, and sometime that and the adrenaline from the game makes people speak before they think.

Just look at athlete's posts on Twitter. It's obvious that when one is in an environment where thoughts are easy to put out, most will let emotions drive their words, before they had a chance to think.

Most of these guys can really use some good old fashion public speaking classes. Regardless whether people say "Speak your mind" or not, it is usually to choose your words wisely. Especially in this day and age of media "editing".

Heck, just reading this board, you can see people who speak/type before they think. It's an epidemic.

Hue Jackson Threw Coach Under Bus to Save His Own Job

https://www.12up.com/posts/5947597-hue-jackson-threw-coach-under-bus-to-save-his-own-job

Lee was named the quarterbacks coach by Jackson heading into the 2017 season. He was the one who consistently advocated for the team to keep DeShone Kizer on the bench but Jackson felt otherwise. What the Browns got next was an unready rookie quarterback who lead the league with 22 interceptions en route to a 0-16 season.


And of course Lee is the one who got canned.

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Hue Jackson’s plan to save his job: a new Browns scapegoat

https://nypost.com/2018/10/22/hue-jacksons-plan-to-save-his-job-a-new-browns-scapegoat/

Jackson went on the offensive, appearing to blame offensive coordinator Todd Haley

Those are fair points.

DRAFT CLASS HEROES: DON’T ASK MAYFIELD TO CHANGE
JON LEDYARDNOVEMBER 27, 2018

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/27/draft-class-heroes-dont-ask-mayfield-to-change/

You know the drill, my people! Tuesday means it’s time for another edition of Draft Class Heroes!

How did one defensive back from Florida change his stars from being a high-risk prospect to a potential top 60 pick? Which of the first six Senior Bowl invites top my board and what do they need to work on to elevate their stock that week? Why do people not understand Baker Mayfield’s stance on Hue Jackson? All that and more in the latest Draft Class Heroes!

Villains of the Week: The Baker Mayfield Haters
Sometimes a topic of discussion burns in my heart so passionately that I’ve gotta switch up the typical order of the column to address it. Today, we begin with the villains.

I get it, Mayfield will probably always generate some vitriol from the traditional sports fan who believes the game was built on sportsmanship and butt slaps rather than dudes wanting to annihilate each other for fun. I understand that Mayfield’s chip-on-the-shoulder ways may not be for everyone, but it sure is for me.

Even if you can’t understand what has typically motivated Mayfield to play and act with such an edge, how can you not understand this? For years Hue Jackson held the Browns captive, ruling in a power-hungry, I’m-gonna-do-what-I-want manner that put the needs of the team last and himself first. You think refusing to play Duke Johnson all these years was the best thing for the team? You think keeping Nick Chubb behind Carlos Hyde was the best thing for the team? Tyrod Taylor starting over Mayfield? The list goes on and on and on.

I know why those things happened. Hue relished the power he had as head coach, something we saw on Hard Knocks time and time again. Any player who didn’t know their place sat. Everyone knows Johnson marches to the beat of his own drum. I bet that didn’t sit well with Hue. Rookies like Mayfield and Chubb needed to understand it was Hue’s way or the highway, and Hue’s way was to play veterans he liked over better players. Because that was what he wanted, and as he often reminded us, “I’m the head coach of the football team”.

But because he was a nice guy and very political about it, nobody called him on his BS. That ended with Mayfield. In an instant Baker saw right through his charade, and I bet John Dorsey did too, thought he operated at the whims of Jimmy Haslam and was more diplomatic in his approach.

Excuse Mayfield if he doesn’t adhere to the common quarterback approach here, but that’s exactly why the Browns drafted him. Hue was a fraud in Cleveland, consistently threw everyone under the bus and made excuses for the way things happened, then got fired and immediately did it AGAIN in multiple interviews. That was completely unnecessary, but Hue only cares about one person in this business: himself. Politically, he realized he had to take the reins and do anything he could to shift the blame off of his failures.

And guess what? That is completely Jackson’s right, just like it is his right to take a job with division rival Cincinnati after going scorched earth on his former team. And the old Browns probably wouldn’t have cared, no doubt whispering behind closed doors about how maybe Hue was the lucky one for getting out of here.

That ain’t happening anymore, not on Mayfield’s watch. Pissed off and motivated, the Browns smacked Cincinnati in the mouth during the first half on Sunday like the Browns haven’t smacked anyone in recent memory, maybe in my lifetime. After the game Mayfield’s position was clear: you’re one of us, bought in completely for what is best for the team, or you’re the enemy. Period.

THAT mentality has been missing from Cleveland for soooooo long. Losing, failure, firings, media bashings, former player and coach bashings, other players on other teams using them as a punch line…it’s gone on for years, and we just accept it because it’s the Browns. They’re a joke.

Sorry if Mayfield doesn’t share your sentiment. He’s not just there to play quarterback at a high level, although he’s doing that too now that Hue’s shackles are loosed from his offense. Mayfield is there to take ownership of the team, period. When they win, he’ll give credit to everyone else. When they lose, he’ll shoulder that blame completely. That’s all he did at Oklahoma, even though he was the solution and rarely the problem.

Mayfield is the anti-Hue. There is no charade with him, nothing fake, he says exactly what is on his mind, he gets pissed about slights that most of us would get pissed about too, he does something about those slights and then he tells you exactly why he did it. He’s about the team and the culture in Cleveland, and he doesn’t care if it makes Hue, or you, or me, or the media uncomfortable or offended. Where Jackson was obsessed with outside perception of himself, Mayfield couldn’t give a rat’s behind as long as the team is taken care of first.

Mayfield has captured the Browns locker room in half-a-season, something Jackson couldn’t do in almost three years. So excuse him if he’s pissed off that someone wanted to piss all over his franchise and call it rain. Excuse him if he won’t take it laying down like the last 55 quarterbacks that have suited up for Cleveland would have. Excuse him if he’s gonna demand excellence from his teammates on the field and pride in the Cleveland Browns organization off of it.

Mayfield is NOT every other quarterback or every other player. Don’t ask him to be. This is what will make him great.

Nice article. That is why I like Baker. He is a leader of men.

Baker isn’t the only one reacting this way about Hue. Damarious Randall purposefully walked out of bounds to show Hue up. I think there was a very strong sentiment amongst the players that Hue was an inept coach and a bus thrower. Hard to argue that he was not.

Then Hue goes on this petty talk show tour…..an absolute bush league move. I can’t remember anyone EVER going on a talk show tour to talk about how things weren’t his fault. He often deflected blame and look, bottom line, sometimes he was right he inherited a disaster. Hue CONSTANTLY stuck his foot in his mouth with the media, it was damn near a weekly thing. Too many definitive statements on thing he couldn’t possibly know, or be able to effect. There were times when I would see or watch him comment on things and just cringe.

I think Baker’s reasoning for not embracing Hue was in fact insincere. I personally believe that there was SOMETHING going on with the players and Hue Jackson. I think Baker was trying to not give away locker room details by saying “he went to a rival”.

Look before I say this I was an advocate of keeping Hue for continuity. Bottom line, we have won MORE GAMES in the last 4 weeks (including a bye) than Hue was able to cobble together in the previous TWO SEASONS.


Something happened with Hue and the players and it’s definitely not what you are hearing from Baker.

Your typical classy self.

I expect it from Eve during happy hour and have come to expect the same from you even when you're sober.

And you wonder why people laugh at you when you get offended and ask for an apology.

Baker is cocky. I like that. All those canned responses start to ware on me. He doesn't do that. I think we finally got a QB we can all get behind.

OK...joining a bit late...but I saw this and felt obliged to reply.

I understand your apprehension. I don't think the word fake comes to mind when applying it to Baker. If he were to flowery and avoiding the question...That would have been fake. He reacted as he is...That would not be fake.

I have 0 problems with the interview...I don't think he needed to reply on twitter...

So lets take your questions...and I will answer them as I would...not speaking for anyone else...

Yes Hue was fired. We do not have any clue as to the true relationship between Hue and Baker. I honestly felt a disconnect between them on Hard Knocks...Just my perception. We also don't know what effect the toxic environment between Hue and Haley had on the lockeroom and/or Baker. So just because he was fired doesn't mean he wasn't a part of bad feelings between he and Baker...if there were bad feelings...so I think being fired is a moot point.

Yes Hue has every right to be employed. That doesn't change the fact that he did so by going to a rival when we still had 2 games to play against them. As the former HC he has plenty of information to give...And he didn't HAVE to work. He doesn't have to work for several years if he doesn't want to. Most people in his position respectfully wait til the end of the year before finding new employment...it is not a rule...but it is considered proper etiquette in the field. So it is an easy reach to assume that it rubbed many in the wrong direction.

Yes, he did...but he didn't do it in the middle of the season when Oklahoma still had to play Texas Tech...Do you think this would have been an issue if Hue joined their staff next year? No he did it a week before they had to play Cleveland...

I can't comment on the crying video...haven't seen it...

Yes he did...if you are implying this makes him an expert in all things including getting questions as the QB that no one else gets and has to answer? Aaron Hernandez played football too...

What does winning Super Bowls have to do with the question at hand? He was a member of the Patriots... And it doesn't mean there were not cocky jerks on that team. Heck guys who stayed in the league for a year won Super Bowls too. Super Bowls are irrelevant.

I think there was ripping on both sides...and I think both sides were warranted.

Well Hey even Ron White was "Thrown out of a Bar"....LOL I don't think that is his defining characteristic.

Yep...grabbing his jock was impulsive and immature...

Not shaking hands....LOL...So you are holding Baker responsible for other players lack of professionalism???

Yep...he ran...well...no...I would not call what he attempted to do as a run...LMAO!!!

No I do not believe he threw his coach under the bus...at least not in his interview. He simply stated he wasn't in the mood...he implied he felt disrespected by his coach going to a rival a week after leaving the team. Yes it is his right to do so...that doesn't mean Hue wasn't disrespectful to his old team by doing this. Who knows, perhaps Hue WANTED to put the screws to the Browns. His actions are as much a part of this story as Baker's.... Once the media blew all of this out of proportion...And Damien Woody goes after Baker...for what??? Ratings? And with what background information did he have on everything concerning their relationship?

That is journalism today...looking outside and pushing an opinion....creating scandal where there is none.

In the End how are we affected by Baker and Hue not getting along? Millions of athletes have people they hate...many of them publicly...Heck we relished it. Connors/MacEnroe | Liston/Foreman | Connor McGregor/anyone....

Hue and his actions have a play in this...Baker and his actions have a play in this...and YES Damien Woody and his actions have a play in this...

If you have a family argument...and your next door neighbor comes in and then twitters his opinion against you calling you childish...I think you would want to tell him to mind his own business. Slightly different situation...But the it is still an outsider with no real information of the matter sticking his nose in where it didn't need to be.

Baker is young, and a little immature...actually impulsive may be the better word. We all have done stupid things in the "moment" that we wish we can take back. The mark of a man is how he learns from it...In most cases, I see someone who learns. Doesn't mean he won't make more mistakes...Baker seems to me to thrive on being the underdog...and so...it is very understandable to me that he would take Hue's moves personally to use as fuel.

While I do understand your concerns...I don't think it an issue as it relates to the Browns(PR, future incidents, or otherwise), and it doesn't relate to us personally as we don't interact with him... I don't think it a good idea to project onto Baker without projecting on all involved....Just my 2 cents

Baker is one of the rare people these days who has some fire and passion to him. He's a winner on and off the field, and this rubs some people the wrong way.

Do I think he should have taken his case to Instagram? honestly no, but it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Hue's 'blame everybody else' tour after he got fired was far more shameful.

That guy was so freaking incompetent that it had to drive people in the building mad. It's hard to judge the actions of people like Reggie McKenzie (in Oakland), Sashi Brown, Todd Haley, Baker Mayfield, and others when dealing with Hue. The common denominator in all the dysfunction was Hue.

Vers Baker does a lot of work with the special Olympics dating back to college. He is selling those Baker shirts with all the money going to support those kids.


Hue waits a week to take the Bengals job, none of this probably ever comes up but the media tour then joining Bengals rubbed a lot of players the wrong way. He called Hue fake and Hue is a fake friend. he hires people blames them for his faults then fires them. hetossed everyone under the bus in Cleveland. Fake was playing it up for Hard knocks and closing the door to congratulate baker for beating out Stanton for #2 lol.


Baker is certainly not a fake person. He speaks from the heart good or bad. He isn't politically correct. Fake Baker would have Hugged it out with Hue and left it at that. If u say he has a Napoleon complex, that I can agree with. Fake he is not. He showed Kansas what he thought of them. He showed up to face off with Cowherd. His Team loves him because he isn't fake.

J/C .....

I don't think that Baker is fake .... in fact, maybe he is a little too real. He has a boulder on his shoulder, and he finds things to motivate himself. I think that any perceived slight is his best motivation.

I think that whatever he has on his mind comes out, and he might be better served by learning a little tact.

His teammates at OU seemed to love him, his teammates here certainly seem to love him...


Many great athletes have some of that in them.. Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Rodgers, Randy Moss, TO, Ray Lewis, Tom Brady to name a few...

So in short, I don't agree with you. I think he has a chip on his shoulder and he plays with an edge that can put some people off.... usually it's fans of other teams though...

It’s very obvious to me that something happened and it has nothing to do with Hue going to Cinci.

Or maybe he confuses feeling comfie in his skin with being mature ... ...

Huh .. one of my problems with hue was THROWING PEOPLE UNDER THE BUS ...
If Bake can’tmention the things that went on in the bldg ... NO PROBLEM ... keep it in the bldg. ... don’t use it to cloak what u really did ... very deviceesque ...


THIS ... what bake is doing now ... STARTING WITH ATTACKING HUE on a tweet made by SOMEONE ELSE ... Bake went out of his way to BASHG HUE when responding to a tweet that should have BEEN DEFENDED in a much different way ...

Now these ... why are they coming out? ... is he replying to someone? ..

And that last comment ...

THINGS wen on inside the bldg. i WON’T TALK ABOUT ...

Thats very very hueESQUE ... defend yourself with sumptin u can’t share with us ...

EXTREMELY MATURE BAKE ... ...

And i could CARE LESS about this ... he did way more INMATURE BS last year ... WAY MORE ...

I asked about the bouncing ball earlier ... THI HAS ZERO TO DO WITH IT ...

Its just more fodder for the HATERS who haven’t realized there’s nothing IN THE BLDG. TO HATE ANYMORE ...

I sat through 2 seasons with 1 freaking win, yea some crap is hard to get over.

Well we both know it's not always about what someone actually does but more about who is doing it.

The quotes are from Baker while meeting with the media today....

So much THIS.

I've been wanting the league to have a QB like this for awhile. The Russell Wilson/Drew Brees, type guys are so boring. Now the league has a guy like this and he is on my team. Delightful.

Here, here...

and the Browns have no logo on their helmets.

Nate never actually looked at the helmet while he was here.

I wonder if we could get Baker to chime in here.

j/c:

One of the things I love about this board is how accepting we all are of other people's opinions and how consistent we when evaluating character traits.

interesting take Vers

Says the guy that started the thread with this:



"Before I rip into him, I want to make this clear. I am NOT asking anyone to agree w/me. I don't care if people disagree. That's fine. I am simply expressing my opinion of his character.

I get the feeling that Baker Mayfield is not a very good person. I get the feeling he is an arrogant, vindictive, jerk. I also get the feeling he is fake.

I have many examples of why I feel this way, but I want to start by just sharing a few.

I had no problem w/him holding Hue off after the game. He doesn't like Hue. No big deal. I would not have handled it that way, but I get it.

I did have a problem w/Baker talking about it in the PC. He said something about Hue being in the Brown's locker room and then going to Cinci, who is a divisional rival. Baker forgot to mention that Hue was fired. Hue didn't abandon Cleveland for Cinci. He was FIRED!!!! And I bet Baker had a say in that, too.

The local media and many fans applauded this classless move, but others did not. Damien Woody, a Super Bowl champion, said that Baker needs to "grow up." And he brought up how Baker left Texas Tech for Oklahoma.

Baker felt the need to respond to that and said something about he wasn't offered a scholarship. Hmmmmmm???? Does that mean he was "kicked off the team or not?" Hue was "fired." Meaning, he was no longer allowed to be w/the team.

But, Baker could not stop there and called Hue "fake." Seriously dude? You are a rookie in the NFL and you are repeatedly bad-mouthing your former HC and you then demean his character. And this comes after you had this PC in college. [btw....read the comments. I am not alone in thinking he was "fake."



I have more, such as what went down at Texas Tech w/Baker and his dad causing problems for his coach, but those articles have already been posted on here.

I have to say that while Baker is playing good football, I am having a hard time rooting for him. He comes across as a freaking .....!"

Uhmmmm, you once again misunderstood what I just said. But, that's okay.

Btw..........are you going to follow me around from thread to thread yet again tonight? If the answer is yes, I'll just leave now.

You never disappoint.

I'm cool with Baker not wanting to hug Hue. Not cool with how he handled the post-game presser. Keep your feelings to yourself, and/or to your locker room.

However, I do think Cleveland needs this type of personality to finally get over this QB hump. We need a guy who gives no damns about what people think. We've seen Kizer, Kessler, Weeden, Anderson, Frye, Hoyer, McCoy, and others get caught up with the off the field stuff, and allowed media to affect their mental state. Playing the one position that has been essentially cursed since 99, you need someone with a strong head. Baker has that.

Glad we have him, glad we've gotten a few wins. Let's hope he matures though, and not becomes a distraction on unnecessary BS.

Sidenote. We so live in a pick and choose society. I think its a little funny how some guys get praised for these type of comments, and others get ridiculed. Some guys people say well thats just how he is, and some guys get he needs to shut his mouth and just play football. That's life I guess.

Good post.

I was alluding to your last paragraph earlier. One guys is called "refreshing" for speaking his mind in the media. Another guy does the same thing and he is "throwing people under the bus." One guy gets praised for charity work and another guy gets trashed for not jumping in the lake soon enough when he was raising money for charity. One guys is said to have "bailed" on his team after he was fired while there is no problem for a guy who leaves his team for an in-conference rival. It's also okay for certain posters to trash a member of the Browns multiple times daily for over a year straight, but it's really wrong for other posters to question another member of the Browns.

It's all very consistent.

What does everyone think of Hue's media tour after he was fired?

This is not a Hue thread. It's a Baker thread.

But, if you really are interested and not just starting trouble, you can find your answer here:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...two#Post1542585

Hue is not a very good person. Hue is an arrogant, vindictive, jerk. Hue is fake. JMO