DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Head Coach Search part III

Hue says a lot of things. We know that by now, right?

Yep...

ON Kessler - "Trust Me"
On AJ - "we need to trade for him"
On RGIII - "I can bring him back"
On Baker - "Hes the last QB I wanted in the draft"

Seems like Hue also was not the QB guru some made him out to be. But yes, he talked a lot, and none of it was true.

Hue said this?

in a nutshell.

Add it up.

He said he wasn't convinced on Baker until the right up before the draft.

He refused to give baker any reps

he refused to give baker a chance at the starting role

he threw baker under the bus when he was fired and said its because he wasn't good enough or playing good enough (maybe if he had some 1st team reps in camp, he would have progressed a little faster - just a thought, hue)

Yet look what happened in Kansas City when Dorsey drafted Mohames. He sat the entire year his rookie season. Then, when Dorsey came here he signed Tyrod Taylor. Even gave a third round draft pick for him.

Hey, I don't mind people ragging on Hue as a HC. The results speak for themselves. But the exact same blue print was set up here as Dorsey had for Mohames in Kansas City. If you can't understand that Dorsey was as much a part of that process as Hue was you have blinders on.

You had a new system under Haley with a lot of new players and a new QB. Of course your back up QB isn't getting first team reps.

I guess I'm going to keep saying it, if this type of play continues, this job should be williams and Kitchens.

I have never believed that Hue wanted an OC. IMO, it was forced on him, possibly be Haslam's 'recommendation'. Hue wanted the spotlight on himself only once he became the savior...

I don't think you go into any season with your Rookie QB slated as your #1 - but two things:

1. Alex Smith is far better QB than Tyrod Taylor, which would allow for a greater chance of the rookie (mahommes) sitting.

2. Its is painstakingly obvious that Baker is the better QB on Day 1 of camp than Tyrod. Knowing this, and knowing your JOB relied on your QB, I think giving him some reps would have been the smart thing to do.

Sorry, there is no logical explanation that Baker wasn't the guy week 1, other than Hue sucks.

I can’t agree bro ...

Bake looked LOST in his last pre-season game ... LOST ...

Hindsight’s 20/20 ... TT NEVER played that bad in such a short span in Buffalo as he did for us ... i tried to temper expectations about TT on here ... even said he’d a few games over the course fo the year where he would JUST STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN ... didnt see that coming .. NO WAY ..

This was a TOXIC atmoshpere with weird things going on that made no sense ...

IF Hue completely isolated himself from the O ... that makes no sense to me in any world ... NONE ... why would that be his idea and why would he accept that being shoved down his throat ... NEITHER MAKE SENSE ..

If just sounds like an IMPLOSION waiting to happen ...

Things are looking better than UP for us for the first time ever ... Bake will still have his moments (he’s gonna have um ya’all) but he don’t look lost no more ... *L* ...

Lost? I don't think you watched the same game I did. Week 4 preseason we beat det 35-17.He started the game 3-4 for 55 yards. Even the article below says he Mayfield looked "sharp"

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-w...nearly-perfect/

Sorry, not a single thing ANYONE can say will lend me to believe Mayfield was not better suited day 1 than TT.

yes, he did. He was benched in Buff. TT is not a bad BACK UP QB. I like having him on this team, and he seems to be a good leader. Im not bashing him at all. But hes Tyrod Tayler nothing more. Baker has more talent in his pinkie than Tyrod does.

Doenst, only two things would lend to this 1. he was told he was not allowed to touch the Off by powers that be or 2. because he was pouting like a complete baby the O was taken from him.

Honestly, I think it was #1 because of what hue kept saying. Remember the presser he threw haley under the bus and this all started? Hue kept saying "as the head coach, its my right to take it over" etc etc. Knowing hue, he was saying that because he wasn't allowed to lol. I have no evidence, other than the fact that his lips were moving.

Every Qb has their moments, even Brady. Bake is the best QB we have had on this team - I dare even say more talented than Bernie. Heck, ill say it. hes more talented than Bernie.

There is absolutely not reason he shouldn't have been in on day 1, in fact, if he was - we would be on that screen leading for the wildcard if he was. which is irritating, because this year is now a throw away year, when all we had to do was not have Hue Jackson - and we could be a playoff team right now.

j/c

I keep seeing this Hue didnt give Baker an opportunity to start nonsense...

Do you all not understand that we just put a rookie through a full season and went 0-16?

Yes, Kizer and Mayfield are different, but that holds HUGGGEEEEE significant weight in how decisions would be made in grooming mayfield.

Tyrod was brought in to be the starter. PERIOD. We all sat here and thought that was the best way to approach it based on history of Cle QBs. Let Baker sit, learn, and then put him in.

Why is it at this point, we now all of a sudden wanted otherwise?

The thing is to talk about a winning streak and not crediting sashi for finally getting to where we always wanted to be is really doing him a disservice. The WHOLE reason we have the players we do is because of the work Sashi did when he was here.

It's more about Sashi cheering than Hue jeering.

Yes, it was exceptionally clear that Baker was the better QB in preseason, but it was also exceptionally clear to anyone paying attention that he was NOT ready for prime time at that time.

He said he hired Haley and it wasn't forced on him. So if you are right, he is a weak minded liar.

Hue was out for Hue. Hue was a bus driver

I think that Hue was sold a bill of goods over what this job would be. Haslem even said so earlier this year.

I think that the strain of the constant losing got to him. I think that the relationship with Haley turned immediately toxic. I think that Hue became desperate to win, and desperate rarely does win.

I do think that Hue is a good coach. I just think that this turned out to be the entirely wrong situation for him.

I also think he is a good coach...as a coordinator.


He just wan't a head coach. He had no clue. It's obvious to me his players while never quitting, never played hard for him and didn't like him.

I think Baker not hugging him and calling him a fake was spot on. Maybe you know....do you know of a head coach getting fired mid season and going to a division rival? maybe a week later?

Do you think he's a good coach because the Bengals always end up 3rd in the division ?

I mean if you look at how we totally sucked and went 1-15 then 0-16..and ended up dead last in the whole league and not just the division... So explain how he;s a good coach ?

Explain how the worst team in the last two seasons won against him because he is no longer on the Browns sideline.

He is not a good coach...he is an idiot...plain and simple

Hello Mac..


Yes, and that is why Hue went to Haslam(* which I said was wrong and that he deserved to be fired for that alone *) to try to get the play calling back. If Hue hired Todd, then why would he need to get permission from anyone?

Ballpeen,
Been doing ok.. Getting older and dealing with all that comes with it!!

As I stated before, if Hue made the hire for Todd, then why did he have to ask Haslam to get the responsibilities back?

If Hue hired Todd, then why did the Browns have to trade Hyde before Todd would actually play Chubb and Duke?? Tell ya what Peen, can you blatantly tell your boss you are not doing something he tells you do to without a DAMN GOOD REASON??

Just sayin, certain management structures are bound to fail. What Dorsey set up with bringing Hue back but telling Todd he runs the offense and don't listen to Hue would never work!

That is why I said Dorsey has to look at his OWN mistakes first and not repeat them.

Bonus -> If Dorsey is the LEADER of football operations for the Browns, and 2 of the people working under him are not getting along, then why didn't he straighten it out before it got to the point he fired them both?

Think about it Peen... You have worked plenty of jobs, have plenty of life experiences so you have seen that before.

I want Williams and Kitchens to make their retention an obvious decision based upon success.

That changes everything.

I was not initially excited about McCarthy but I'm starting to warm up to the idea...

No.

So looking at what KC did to sit Mahomes all year had nothing to do with the Browns trying to sit Baker all year? Well alrighty then. lol

I disagree with that wholeheartedly. You play the game of football to win games, and the best player to do that for you is the QB. The best player on our roster was and is Baker Mayfield at that position.

I was behind letting Tyrod start, until it was PAINSTAKINLY obvious he was not the better QB, day 1.

No actually it doesn't. Each player is his own person. What works for 1 person doesn't work for another.

Maybe if KC started Mahommes year one, they would have won a playoff game?

I don't think Pittsburgh was upset about starting Ben game 2. I don't think Hou was made about starting Watson, and so forth and so forth.

Sitting someone simply because it was the way "things used to be" doesn't mean its the right answer. The best player should play. A lot people lean by watching, some learn by doing. Mayfield is a gamer. Plain and simple. Hes going to shine in a game.

I think its a situation where both are true. I think Haslam and Dorsey took play calling away from Hue, and told him he had to hire a OC, but allowed him to head the process of Hiring one with Dorseys approval.

So hue "hired" Haley, but in no way shape or form was the offense not taken from him. Which is why he had to get permission to take it back.

Or maybe started some very bad habits and ruined a QB before he was ready. It could have gone either way



You mean an entire season earlier equates to "the way things used to be"?



I understand this is nothing more than an assumption by you because you have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. The Mayfield I saw then was clueless to reading coverage and may have suffered more harm than good by starting earlier.

It could have gone either way and neither of us really know how it would have turned out. My point all along is it was a process that Dorsey had a track record of using. Just like he did with Mohames. Those trying to lay the blame squarely on Hue for the decision of sitting Mayfield is short sighted considering Dorsey followed the exact same process one year earlier at KC. To me this was a collective decision between Hue and Dorsey.

Dorsey was fired soon after the draft.

KC also had a highly competent veteran QB in Alex Smith for Mahommes to sit and learn behind. They went 10-6, and scored 415 points, which was the 5th highest total in the NFL. While they are going to blow that total away this season, they had no real reason to play Mahommes last year, except when they had wrapped up a playoff spot.

Absolutely. In addition, to what cfrs noted in that Dorsey had been fired after the draft and before training camp had even started, KC was a playoff team w/ Alex Smith.

From Sports Illustrated in the feature piece they did on Mahomes....

No NFL player worth his eye black wants to sit—not for a game, and definitely not for a whole season. But that was Patrick Mahomes’s reality last fall, as the 10th overall pick in the 2017 draft was relegated to the bench because his Chiefs were contending behind accomplished veteran Alex Smith.

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Their defense was also playing at a much higher level than it is this year.

Last year they allowed 339 points. This year, through 11 games, they have allowed 294. Only 2 of those scores were defensive scores, and both came in the Rams game.

I suspect Reid had more say in that plan than Dorsey.

Agree, I don't know of any GM that doesn't want to see the supercar he just bought sitting in the garage. They want to see if flying down the highway.

Another Hue goof up. Hue was the head coach. He may not have had roster control, but he sure did have control over who started.

Hue backed Tyrod and never gave Bake any reps with the ones, even when the rook was the better player.

That is Bakers chip on the shoulder against Hue.


That was Hue's choice, and as history shows, it was the wrong choice.

Just thought I would add this:

Browns notebook: Quarterbacks Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield eager for reunion
https://www.ohio.com/sports/20181128/bro...ger-for-reunion

• Williams said he would have no qualms about transitioning from interim coach back to defensive coordinator if the Browns hire someone else as the full-time head coach. “I love what I do, and in all honesty, if I was not head coaching or defensive coordinator, I would love to be special teams coordinator again,” Williams said.

Interesting comment from Greg Williams. I'm not sure what to make of that. There's a part of me that wants him to want to be the head coach. And in one of our last couple of games the announcing crew indicated that Greg had said to them in a production meeting that he wanted to remain as head coach.

Maybe he's getting a vibe that won't happen and this is some type of survival mechanism. Or maybe he actually just feels that way.

I don't know. Seems weird. If we finish strong, I'm 100% in favor of Williams HC/DC and Kitchens OC.

Do we even have to have per say a head coach?

Seems to me that the more personalities in the mix, the more chance for some nonsense.

Browns should do something different.

Have two Co-Head Coaches. Williams runs the defense and Kitchens runs the offense, and they do pressers together. Freak it. lol.

Not only does GW want to remain employed, but his son, Blake, is a member on the staff.

I'm sure he's considering his son's future and that may weighing on him as well.