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40 - You really do seem to simply believe anything that you are spoon fed by your crony right wing fake media spews don't you.

That chart doesn't mean much.........unless you're saying gas prices change.

D in office, R in office.........gas prices change.

$2.19 per gallon here, today.

T-R-O-G

Yep. Gas prices change. They go up and down.

It totally debunks the garbage that 40 spewed about Trump saving the world from rampant oil prices. You can go back over 10 years. Gas prices go up and down.

Shocking - not. Trump saving the world - also not.

Thank you for totally proving my point by the way. Appreciate that.

I didn't "prove" anyone's point. Rather, I stated truth. If you want to call that proving your point, go ahead.

Yes - thank you. I will.

My point was there was no truth to what 40 spewed. I posted a link to a chart showing that. You commented that the chart proved nothing other than gas prices go up and down. That was entirely my point - and you reconfirmed and verified that.

So once again - thank you.

Like I said: I speak truth.

Dim bulbs that blame increases or decreases in gas prices on a president are just that: Dim bulbs. Kinda just like when W got blamed for high gas prices "cause he was a big oil guy"

Seriously, it's dumb as hell. I feel bad for those that don't understand.

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when reading this thread.

He was murdered by the Saudis who have no love for the USA. The Saudis were largely responsible for 911.

They are two faced.

Why can we not agree they are evil people. This is not the first murder of innocents they have done. We should all be in solidarity about this. Regardless of political affiliation.

The second half of #quotenumber2 is the answer to #quotenumber1

I don't feel like anyone who is an American could ever stand for this.

If you want to discount it, then you're not an American.


You might as well be cheering on the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Take your walk of shame, Game Of Thrones style.

jc.

white people in paris are turning up over fuel prices. protest got violent and they're fighting law enforcement.

europeans always know how to properly turn up.

Upset by Trump's Iran waivers, Saudis push for deep oil output cut

ABU DHABI (Reuters) - When U.S. President Donald Trump asked Saudi Arabia this summer to raise oil production to compensate for lower crude exports from Iran, Riyadh swiftly told Washington it would do so.

“The Saudis feel they were completely snookered by Trump. They did everything to raise supplies assuming Washington would push for very harsh Iranian sanctions. And they didn’t get any heads up from the U.S. that Iran will get softer sanctions,” said a second source briefed on Saudi oil thinking.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-o...t-idUSKCN1NK20S

Thank you President Trump for cheap gas!
Just like I reported earlier but the Haters have spewed, skewed, and accused me of making it all up.

For hate sake.

everytime you post, you make it clear you only care about money.

its quite pathetic.

Because you and others always want everyone to fit in a box.

White Older guy = Racist

Republican = Rich and only caring about the Rich

Christian = Hypocrite

Trump = Nothing good, always evil

When the Truth is, everyone is complex, with many differing views on the world around them.

40 = wrong.

40 right.

Another thing is no one in their right mind would post anything here about anything personal. Family, work, friends, life, religion or deep thoughts about the world around them.

Why would anyone want to subject themselves to the list?

The List...

Homophobe
Xenophobe
Racist
Supremacist
Trumpian
Liar
Pedophile

Or having their words and their meanings twisted, skewed and fed back to them as accusations.

Pu lease!

Most likely because said person has earned those labels.

Just a thought.

If you lay with dogs you should expect fleas.

Accusations can be proven true or false. I have not seen much evidence of false accusations as a defense on your part.

Jared Kushner pushed to inflate Saudi arms deal to $110 billion: Sources
ABC News

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/jared-kushner-pushed-inflate-saudi-arms-deal-110-170530825.html

President Donald Trump's reluctance to hold Saudi leadership accountable for the brutal murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi stemmed from a partly aspirational $110 billion arms deal between the U.S. and Saudia Arabia that was inflated at the direction of Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, according to two U.S. officials and three former White House officials.

Kushner, in a bid to symbolically solidify the new alliance between the Trump administration and Saudi Arabia while claiming a victory on the president's first foreign trip to Riyadh, pushed State and Defense officials to inflate the figure with arms exchanges that were aspirational at best, the officials said. Secretary of Defense James Mattis supported Kushner's effort and ultimately endorsed the memorandum, according to a former NSC official familiar with the matter.

(MORE: 'Blindingly obvious' that Saudi crown prince ordered Khashoggi murder: Source)

“We need to sell them as much as possible," Kushner told colleagues at a national security council meeting weeks before the May 2017 summit in Saudi Arabia, according to an administration official familiar with the matter.

PHOTO: Senior adviser to President Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, attends a dinner meeting with President Donald Trump and business leaders, Aug. 7, 2018, at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J. (Carolyn Kaster/AP)
PHOTO: Senior adviser to President Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, attends a dinner meeting with President Donald Trump and business leaders, Aug. 7, 2018, at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J. (Carolyn Kaster/AP)
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Another U.S. official said there was a back and forth between Kushner and Department of Defense and State officials on how to get to a larger number because the officials initially told Kushner that realistically they had about $15 billion worth of deals in works, based on the Saudi government's interest in a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-ballistic missile system and maintenance of other systems.

But even that order has not been fulfilled.

The Saudis have bypassed the September deadline for one of the pricier items on the list -- the THAAD missile defense system.

A spokesperson for the National Security Council said that the White House, State Department and Department of Defense worked "tirelessly" with their Saudi counterparts to come up with the arms outlined in the memo, based on "rigorous analysis of Saudi requirements and of optimal U.S. solutions."

"This unprecedented level of cooperation and effort led directly to the Memorandum of Intent, which was signed at the summit," an NSC spokesperson said in a statement. "The administration continues to make progress on the $110 billion in intended arms sales announced in May 2017."

Kushner declined to comment for this story.

Kushner had taken the lead on organizing the trip because of his close relationship with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

(MORE: Congress orders Trump admin to investigate Saudi crown prince's role in Khashoggi murder)

According to the Washington Post, the CIA has concluded that bin Salman ordered the murder of Khashoggi, but Trump has claimed that the CIA report "did not come to a conclusion."

Since the deal was signed by Mattis and bin Salman in Riyadh, there has been minimal activity toward purchasing the defense equipment and arms laid out in the arms agreements and signed. According to the Department of Defense, of the original $110 billion, Saudi Arabia has signed Letters of Offer and Acceptance valued at around $14.5 billion for equipment, including helicopters, tanks, ships, weapons and training.

PHOTO: A handout picture provided by the Saudi Royal Palace on Oct. 24, 2018, shows Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman speaking during a joint session of the Future Investment Initiative (FII) conference in the capital Riyadh. (Bandar Al-Jaloud/AFP/Getty Images)
PHOTO: A handout picture provided by the Saudi Royal Palace on Oct. 24, 2018, shows Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman speaking during a joint session of the Future Investment Initiative (FII) conference in the capital Riyadh. (Bandar Al-Jaloud/AFP/Getty Images)
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Many of these deals were negotiated during the Obama administration, but U.S. officials say Trump’s diplomatic pressure was effective in fulfilling the pending orders.

The memo of intent, seen by ABC News in a photograph and verified by a former White House official and first reported by the Washington Post last year, shows billion dollar price tags for what appear to be at vague deals far from being inked. Many of the details about the quantity and types of defense weapons to be purchased are not listed and are slated to be delivered after 2022 or have a “to be determined” delivery dates and quantities.

The president defended his decision to stand by Saudi Arabia in a statement on Wednesday cited Saudi Arabia's investments in the U.S. economy, including the vague arms agreement laid out in the memo of intent.

(MORE: Saudi Arabian official 'shocked' by audio recording of Khashoggi's murder: Erdogan)

"This is a record amount of money," Trump said. "It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors."

The photo of the memorandum of intent shows an agreement between the two countries with very little legal weight.

It states: "This document does not create any authority to perform any work, award any contract, 'issue articles from stock', transfer funds, or otherwise obligate or create a binding commitment in any way either for the United States or the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia."

The state official described the five-page list of potential arms sales as items the Saudi officials had signaled interest in or were deemed among their needs by U.S. defense analysts.

PHOTO: President Donald Trump shakes hands with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in the Oval Office of the White House, March 20, 2018, in Washington, DC. (Mandel Ngan/AFP/Getty Images)
PHOTO: President Donald Trump shakes hands with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in the Oval Office of the White House, March 20, 2018, in Washington, DC. (Mandel Ngan/AFP/Getty Images)
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In one instance, the document calls for an undetermined quantity of Mark VI patrol boats to be delivered at an undetermined date at a cost of $2 billion.

Also on the list, a C-130 J aircraft for $5.8 billion, but with delivery estimated between 2022-2026.

“They were asking us to put as much pressure on the Saudis as we could [to buy American arms],” said a former National Security Council official. “It was definitely being pushed on the Pentagon people to see what was possible with the Saudis.”

Brookings Institute defense strategy expert Michael O'Hanlon, who has seen the photograph of the letter of intent provided by ABC News, called it “amateurish quality.”

“It acknowledges it's not binding,” O’Hanlon told ABC News.

“It's a multi-billion dollar transaction with three short lines of information as if that's meaningful. It's like you're taking notes on the back of a napkin over dinner. It's not a contract. It’s the idea of putting all of these numbers in the interest for the biggest number you can find.”

(MORE: Donald Trump defends Saudi Arabia's denials in Khashoggi murder, says relationship most important)

One former senior National Security Council official said it’s not unusual to push for concrete deliverables to announce at major events, but the official called the scale and level of exaggeration of the $110 billion figure "unprecedented."

According to another one former National Security Council official, it wasn’t just about having an unprecedented deliverable on the world stage but also securing more favorable unit sales for the U.S. from defense companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing. Having the arms in place in Saudi Arabia also made them accessible for U.S. forces, that former official added.

“These details raise even more questions about what is really driving the Trump administration’s refusal to crack down on Saudi Arabia’s behavior," said Democrat Rep. David Cicilline, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

"If Jared Kushner inflated the size of this arms deal, we need to figure out why. Congress should get to the bottom of this and work to impose stronger sanctions on the Saudi regime, thoroughly review our relations with Riyadh, and cut off assistance for Saudi efforts in Yemen that have created a massive humanitarian crisis.”

(MORE: Saudi official: Crown prince did not order Khashoggi killing)

When Trump hosted bin Salman at the White House last year, he rattled off many of the names of the weapons proposed.

“Some of the things that we’re now working on and that have been ordered and will shortly be started in construction and delivered: the THAAD system -- $13 billion; the C-130 airplanes, the Hercules, great plane -- $3.8 billion; the Bradley vehicles -- that’s the tanks -- $1.2 billion; and the P-8 and the P-8 Poseidons -- $1.4 billion," Trump said.

Over his eight-year term, Obama engaged in $115 billion in arms deals with Saudi Arabia -- some of which were not finalized -- but never announced the deals in one blanketed package.

Since the death of Khashoggi, Trump has insisted the U.S. would be "foolish" to disrupt any potential weapons sales with the Saudis.

On Tuesday, Trump said, "China and Russia would love to make $100 billion worth of military equipment for Saudi Arabia. ... That would be a big, fat, beautiful gift to Russia and China. They're not going to get that gift."

A representative for the Saudi government did not respond to a request for comment.

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wow. just wow. there were a ton of trump supporters on this board talking about how great this deal was.

The Saudi’s don’t want Chinese and Russian crap. They know we can beat that crap up. They want our stuff so when they fight us.

Believe me the hate for trump isn’t blind. He’s earned every damn bit of it over the last 50 years.

Well you can add another $15 Billion to what he has earned...

Saudi Arabia, US take a significant step toward closing $15 billion deal for Lockheed Martin's THAAD missile defense system

-Saudi Arabia has signed a letter of offer and acceptance with the United States for Lockheed Martin's THAAD missile system.

-It's a significant step forward in the $15 billion deal, a State Department spokesperson confirmed to CNBC.

-Saudi officials, alongside their U.S. counterparts, signed the crucial government-to-government agreement earlier this week, paving the way for the massive sale of 44 THAAD launchers, missiles and related equipment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/28/saudi-ar...ile-system.html

Well it's all about money.

Hey Hey! If we only had another 30-40 good men for them to kill and us to ignore maybe we could get to that half trillion dollar figure Trump lied about! Great News!... for Lockheed and the MIC. BS for the rest of us.

No, Its all about America. Remember her?

And can you explain what billions going to a military contractor does to MAGA? Sometimes supporting America is based on what our values are rather than lining a few select pockets. But I don't expect you to understand that.

Explain? Sure. But your hate prevents you from hearing.

By lining a few pockets are you talking about all those workers who build the systems and service those systems?

Who then buy the cars and eat at the restaurants and pay their taxes so handouts are available to those you support?

Or are you talking about the manufacturers who profit from the sale, pay their taxes as their stock price rises benefiting all their investors?

Investors who then buy the cars and eat at the restaurants and pay their taxes to create even more handouts for those you support?

Pay their taxes? OK

Money over morals in the Trumpian way.

No. Morals and Capitalism is the American way.

I've seen no evidence of morals from you or Trump.

You do not see me running around trying to lynch people without due process like you guys do.

Kavanaugh, Trump, and others over the years.

Yet you support a man who has cheated on all three of his wives. Slept with and paid money to both a porn star and a playboy bunny. Who think selling arms is more important than standing up for the morals America believes in. Lies on a consistent basis and has children by three different women.

And the only people that seem to promote lynchings are some Trump supporters in the south. And of course a GOP senator from Mississippi.

I didn't vote for America's first Pope, I voted for a leader who would grow our economy, cut unnecessary regulations, cut taxes, crush unemployment, secure our borders, make better trade deals, end China's stealing of our technology, stop North Korean threats, etc.

I got what I voted for and it also allows you to feel so self righteous as to sit in judgement of the guys personal life.

Win Win.

There's a huge difference between self righteous and a little common decency. I see how that confuses you. And you still aren't getting even half of what you bargained for.

Fragility amplification...

That damn Putin, KGB spy thug, he makes me sick, that guy.

Since he kills anyone and everyone who disagrees with him, he should.

So far Trump falls just short of killing those who disagree with him.