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I believe it to be more than just this.

I have posed that thought as well. In the end you still need one voice to make decisions related to the direction the team takes, and in game decisions.

In the end, someone would have to have the final say.

I think he's just been in this league long enough to know how disruptive a "narrative" can become and wants no part of it. He's going to play the "whatever is best for the team" song and stick with it. Smart.

I agree. I've worked with people who turned down promotions/management positions because they had been-there-done-that and saw that it just wasn't "for" them. Experience kept them from diving back into the Peter Principle.

Decades ago, I was offered the job as VP of IT for a mid-sized company. I was - and still am - an Accountant. I understood how software works, what people needed from the software and could communicate with the IT staff and all the software users...I was very effective in that role. HOWEVER, I had no business leading an Organization's IT effort...none. I could have made a lot of money as a young man and milked it until I was exposed...but I knew it wasn't the best thing for me or the Company. It was one of the best things I DIDN'T do.

Maybe, maybe not. But if you look at what Dorsey has done here thus far, you gotta believe that he's got the ability to scout and find talent.

That is unless you are one of those that believe that Haslam picked the draft and FA pick ups!

Dorsey signed TT to start until Mayfield was ready. It's not rocket science nor do you have to be the smartest guy in the room to figure that one out.

Keep throwing your tantrum. lmao

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was referring to Dorsey not having a say in Mahommes sitting for the year - since he was fired after the draft (June). The point being is that Dorsey may have wanted to start Mahommes from the get-go and perhaps Mayfield. Has nothing to do with Dorsey and drafting.

You are right, except by manyl accounts Baker was winning out of the box and Hue held him back, wanting a veteran.

Funny, another bad call by Hue got himself fired. Had he given Baker some reps with the ones in camp....which was totally stupid not to, he might still be here today.

You do realize that Hue was a very poor head coach don't you?? I take that back, I consider you a smart guy, even if you look dumb as a stump.

Seriously, it made no sense to not give Baker some reps with the ones...

Sure it did ... it was the SMART thing to do ...

LOOKING BACK ... it was dumb ...

Anyone that knows a LICK ABOUT FOOTBALL knows it was the smart thing to do ...

At least until the cameras left ..

I can no longer defend Hue on a lot ... his org skills were as bad as the thiefs and appearanlty he could communicate with there players and NO ONE ELSE ... dude gives u guys PLENTY OF FODDER to blast him for ...

Why u have to make things up like this to BLAST him is a refelection on U ...

this is one where he DID THE RIGHT THING and u guys are just piling on cause for some reason u BLAME HUE for everything ...

Its really sad ... especially hen u factor in rthe amoung of reps Bake would have gotten and how much it would have helped ...

Remember ... in TC his HEAD WAS STILL ADMITTINGLY SPINNING ... the reps he took then were different from the ones he took in OTA’s and are night and day different from the ones hes taking now ..

U guys act like TT playing this bad was a given ... witch is amazing since i had to CALM ALMOST EVERY SINGLE one of u down about how good TT was ... now ... you guys are talking like he was AJ McCarronesque ...

Naaa ... PILING ON is all this is .. and theres no need for it ... plenty to bash him on u dont have to make yourselves look silly pointing out ...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hue-jackson...-015859991.html

Hue Jackson's final meeting with TV crew reveals how broken the Browns were before he got fired
Yahoo Sports Chris Cwik,Yahoo Sports Wed, Nov 28 8:58 PM EST



The Cleveland Browns were pretty dysfunctional in Hue Jackson’s final days as head coach. That shouldn’t come as breaking news by now. Even the most casual NFL fans know Jackson didn’t cover himself in glory during his tenure as Browns coach.

But thanks to CBS broadcaster Ian Eagle, fans have a little more insight into what the Browns were dealing with days before Jackson was fired. Eagle appeared on the Rich Eisen Show on Wednesday. During his appearance, Eagle shared a story that shed some light on the internal power struggle within the Browns during Jackson’s final days as the team’s head coach.
Hue Jackson’s firing didn’t come as a surprise to the CBS television crew. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

Eagle and former quarterback Dan Fouts were the broadcast team for what turned out to be Jackson’s final game with the Browns. During the television production meeting, Fouts asked Jackson why the Browns hadn’t incorporated some of Oklahoma’s offensive strategies to make Baker Mayfield more comfortable. Jackson responded by saying, “Yeah. Good question. I agree.” When pressed by Fouts for an answer, Jackson just said, “I agree.”

Eisen later highlighted why “I agree” was such a troubling statement from Jackson. By saying that, Jackson suggested he was at odds with offensive coordinator Todd Haley over how the offense was being run. Not only that, but Jackson’s comments also made it sound like, despite being the head coach, he was somehow losing that battle.

Eagle agreed with that assessment, and pointed out that Jackson’s comments came shortly after Jackson criticized Haley and the team’s offense.

The television crew ran into a similar issue when Mayfield was asked questions about the offense, Haley and Jackson. Eagle said there was something “amiss” about Mayfield’s answers to those questions.

Because of that, no one on the CBS television crew was surprised when Jackson was fired shortly after the game.

The Browns have gone 2-1 under interim coach Gregg Williams after parting ways with Jackson. Despite getting fired, things haven’t gone poorly for Jackson. He joined the Cincinnati Bengals as a special assistant to head coach Marvin Lewis.

While that decision led to Jackson being ripped by Mayfield, it could work out for Jackson in the end. There’s already been some speculation that Jackson could take over for Lewis as the Bengals’ next coach.

If that happens, Jackson will have at least two opportunities per season to prove to the Browns they made the wrong choice.

Fair enough. I still think Baker should have gotten some reps with the ones. Starters do get hurt, as we have seen over and over.

It is amazing isn't it? I've seen people blame the injuries we had on Hue. Now we see them blaming the fact that from what seems obvious, that neither Hue or Dorsey wanted a raw rookie starting, all lays at Hue's feet. That while installing a new system, rather than focus on getting the starter ready, we should have split the reps so that neither one of them were actually ready.

Yeah, Dorsey traded away that third round pick so TT wouldn't be the starter. And Peen said I look dumb as a box of rocks? lmao

Hindsight is always 20/20 and this bunch sure uses a lot of it.

Whatever the internal dynamics were, Hue was not the right guy. The players don't like him and as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Wish him well, bye.
The question is whether Gregg Williams is the right guy. He might just be.

You are still trying to rewrite history.

If you recall we tried to get Tyrod last year when Sashi was here. Hue wanted him. Dorsey wanted to get Alex Smith and I think there were a few others he was interested in before Tyrod.

Hue wasn't going to use anyone but a veteran quarterback. And he pretty much made that clear when he foolishly didn't give Mayfield any first team reps.

Hue was desperate for a vet because he felt that was the only way he could win. His and all his supporters excuse for Hue not winning was lack of quarterback, but we now know that to be false.

I don't think the new head coach and O coordinator have a problem with the talent on the team.

They coach the talent they have and make it work. That's what good coaches do.

Dorsey got the talent and Hue was coaching the team. If you can't grasp the math don't blame me.

If you're talking to me, I don't have a problem with the math.

Browns have been a much better team without Hue. He insisted on having his veteran play. He might have saved his job if he had just played Baker from the onset but I doubt it.

No need to take this down a different path with your poppycock.

The only difference we really have here is you wish to put all the blame on Hue for starting TT and I think it was an organizational decision.

On Hue being fired in the best interest of the team we agree.

There's no way either of us can prove whether it was Hue alone or the organization as a whole who decided to start TT. So maybe we should just let it go at that?

Actually, I don't disagree with you on whether it was the organization that decided to go with Tyrod over Mayfield.

With that, Hue (and possibly Haley) was the guy who didn't allow or didn't want Mayfield to practice with the first team. I believe we were the only team who didn't have their first round rookie take first team reps. The thing is Hue eliminated any talk from outside to say hey, we should maybe start Mayfield. There was no other option other than Tyrod at that point.

It's not Dorsey's place to tell Hue how to coach the team, but I think these are some of the things that assisted with Hue's firing.

I think where we disagree is that you hear Hue talk and you agree with him. Since Hue went 0-16, I haven't been able to stand listening to him. He talks jibberish, just trying to convince everyone that he knows what he's doing and when we get the players he needs he will start winning. I go back now and listen to his press conferences. I just cringe... he has no idea what he's doing. In his mind, he deserves the job because he feels he's earned it after 1-31 because he didn't have talent and a lot of people believe him.

I don't. You can disagree and hate Sashi, but there's no question we are a very talented team. Players brought in by Sashi and players brought in by Dorsey. Hue only had 2 wins in 8 games to start the season. For the amount of talent we have, that was appalling. Hue could no longer use the lack of talent excuse, although I'm sure he will, you will, and Michael Silver will...

I trust Dorsey will find the right guy to lead us. Dorsey seems like a no b.s. kinda guy, and I think he'll weed through that and find us a killer HC. I loved Sashi, but I'm all in with Dorsey.

I don't know why you insist going over this. I agree that Hue couldn't use the talent excuse this year. Hate Sashi? No, but I see him for what he was. I mean if Haslam actually thought he could build a team he would still be here.

And you see, I don't listen to a lot of the noise when it comes to coach speak. Just like the things Baker has been saying about Hue. Do you honestly feel that if Kitchens had his choice that he would want Baker speaking publicly about Hue? I'd bet money the answer is no. Yet publicly he backs Baker. That's "Coach speak".

And say what you want, you can't "build a team around" the type of players Sashi drafted. Are there some good players there? Of course. It's not like he sucked. But let's face it, he passed up on much better players. His drafts weren't strong considering the players available on the board to him in the early rounds. Kizer, need I actually say more? lmao

See, there are posters like yourself who state that people "love Hue" or "hate Sashi". I'm not that emotionally attached to any HC or GM this team has ever had. Since 1999 the turnover ratio at both the GM and HC position have been a swinging door. No, I haven't loved or hated any of them.

Looking at the Dorsey selections I'm very happy we moved on from Sashi. I watched him pass on some good QB's and I watched him draft a terrible one. Say what you will, but that was and is the first and most important job of any GM of a team that needs a QB and Sashi failed that test.

Yes, I wanted to see what Hue could do with some talent. He was given that talent and performed miserably. I'm glad we moved on from him too. So I'm not so sure what it is you keep harping about?

j/c

We'd still be in 'Head Coach Search 1' with no sequels if everyone would only discuss the NEW head coach search.

Why are we leading with Haslem's decision making as a legitimate argument?

Because the evidence dictates that finally, for once he was right. Unless you think someone else could have done a better job drafting in the last draft?

When someone gets it right, they get it right. I had no problem lambasting Haslam for his mistakes and I have no problem giving him credit when he gets something right.

Unless you're trying to say Sashi did as well drafting players?

You erroneously still believe Sashi drafted the quarterbacks.

I hear you, Dawg.

But some minions MUST prove to themselves who's in THEIR mind, right. And whose wrong.

Pretty sad. Especially in a NEW HEAD COACH thread.

Let girls play I guess.

Yet you have zero evidence to the contrary. Why do you think your theories hold so much water? They don't. It's funny. You wish to give Sashi credit for everything good that happened with the draft while he was here but wish to pass the buck on everything in the draft that went wrong while he was here. That's hilarious!

Ive mentioned several times The Athletic wrote an investigative article into Haslam and the Browns. Hue wasn't taking the HC job without having a say in the quarterbacks.

And I still don't give the credit to Sashi for drafting any of the players. I give that credit to the people he hired and ironically they are still here for the most part.

Its easy bro .... Sashi was responsible for:

MG
Joe Shobert
Tretter
Zietler

Hue was responsible for

Kizer
Cody
Britt
Collins ...

Hope that helps bro ... ...

And yet ANOTHER waisted thread.

Have you started a new OPTIMISM thread yet? Since the last got trashed also?

Oh it helps. I mean Sashi was just here to twiddle his thumbs and watch anyway. The highest paid thumb twiddler in the NFL!

Still deciding on a topic ... there’s to MANY TO CHOOSE FROM ... its good to be a dawg bro ...

U got the shuttle landings down yet .. a little birdie told me u needed some work on the shuttle landings .. ..

Not to mention Sashi and Haslem mentioned this point several times in interviews/PCs.

Mmmm hmmmm. HC's only want second and third round draft picks to build a team around. lmao

It was a WELL DESERVED and EARNED joke considering the target ...

U and I don’t agree onthis but u don’t resort to the ABSOLUTE BS he does ...

U, nor him nor I have ANY CLUE how we landed on the qb’s we did ... NONE OF US ... NO CLUE ...

Thats where he went .. and he goes to much DUMBER PLACES all the time ...

If u thik u know how we landed on the QB’s we got I’d call u out also .. but u haven’t EARNED BS butt responses like that one ...

If u work real hard you may get there someday ... *L* ... its a joke .. unclench and *L* for a minute ...

Having a say = final word ... okie dokie ..

We clearly live in different worlds ...

Is your mind really that vacant that you think this is a legit reply?

I think trying to claim that a HC picks the QB's and that Sashi gets credit for the good picks is not legitimate at all. I think claiming that a HC trying to build a team selected only second and third round QB's to build a team around sounds moronic.

Now a lawyer making those moves actually makes some sense.

You see, on one hand Haslam went out and paid some of the best analytical minds he could find to help guide the draft. He signed Sashi to a very high paying position. Then we are to believe everything they said was ignored and Hue made the QB picks? No, I don't think any of that sounds legit.

Most of what you are basing your belief on is nothing more than a bunch of PR statements that the team put out. If you think they're actually telling you what's going on behind the scenes I believe you seriously need to re-think things.

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