The Browns should not get in a hurry to fill their HC position with a recently fired HC, imo.
Coaches get burned out and tend to stay on longer than they should, waiting to get fired rather than admitting they need some time away from the game to reassess their situation. Very few HCs walk away on their own terms.
Football, especially on the offensive side, is changing and those coaches who realize it and adjust to those changes have a better chance of extending their careers.
I hope the Browns resist the urge to jump on the Mike McCarthy bandwagon...
I'm starting to think about a different Mike M, Munchak in Pittsburgh. His record at Tennessee wasn't great, but his QBs we're the young, oft-injured Jake Locker and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Gregg Williams was an assistant under him, so perhaps he would be retained. Who his offensive coordinator might be is unclear, though. That would be key.
Just a thought. Haven't found a candidate I'm enamored with yet.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Has a head coach ever been fired by one team and hired by another as head coach during the same season? I'm not saying I advocate this or even that it will happen, but now that McCarthy has been fired, the possibility (though very remote) is there.
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do. -Derek Jeter
Hmm ... it looks to me like his coat is draped over his shoulders.
He's Batman.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Yeah, I wouldn't make anyone an automatic hire, but McCarthy should definitely go through the process. I'm really enjoying the attitude of the team right now. We need to keep that going no matter who the new HC is.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
I feel like I've read that Wolf left Green Bay partly because he and McCarthy didn't get along. Anybody know about that?
Hiring him doesn't feel right to me. But I have no idea what to think. Just gotta trust Dorsey.
This is the story than was reported here locally in Wisconsin. They passed on Wolf because he wanted to replace MM. Ironically they picked Mike’s guy to be the GM and Mark Murphy ended up firing him anyway.
Just because of that story I’d be surprised if the Browns hired him.
Have reservations about Williams. This is his second year. There is talent on defense. The defense has failed plenty especially in critical situations.
William is is an experienced guy who can command a room. But frankly I expected way more from the defense.
I am beginning to warm to the idea of Ariens. He said he would keep Freddie as OC. It would provide some continuity. Ariens is an experienced offensive guy who I think would do well with Baker.
His health may be an issue.
Dorsey will do this right. He will look at all options. In the end the guy has to work well with Dorsey and Baker. He has to have a sharpe football mind and be a leader of men.
In addition the key thing to me is knowing how to get max potential from each player.
Dorsey will get the chance to meet with the best candidates. Hopefully he selects the right guy for the Browns
Dorsey will let the entire thing play out ... he will turn over every rock ... if he wants to bring condi rice in for an interview ... i’m on board ...
McCarthy will be interviewed ‘m sure ... not a fan of his ... hope he doesn’t get it ... but he will definetly get a shot ...
Would love Arians ...
Williams will determine just how viable of a candidate he will be over rthe next month ..
If the rats fire john you’d figure he’d be in the mix ..
As for Freddie ... really liked how he adapted at the half ... very impressed with that ...
He may throw a wrench into this depending oh how King John and Bake feel about him ...
The idea of McCarthy doesn't excite me. At first I didn't understand why. He is an accomplished coach and clearly knows football. So what don't I like about him? Then it came to me. He feels to much like Eeyore. Just watching him on the sidelines sucks the energy right out of me.
I want a HC that brings energy and enthusiasm to the team. Feels like McCarthy does just the opposite.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
McCarthy at this point feels a little like Andy Reid did when the Eagles fired him However, I don't think he is as good a coach. He has been brutal this year. Still, he has the career wins and SB ring, and proven coaches like that don't come along every day. In a way, he seems safer than betting on a boy wonder offensive genius. Adam Gase sure is not working out. Gotta trust Dorsey.
McCarthy doensn't appear to be as innovative as Reid .. at least from what I've been reading
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Im not a fan of McCarthy. Lets be honest, you have Rogers for how long? I think there is no question on earth you should have had more success than you did. Its most like the success they had was in spite of McCarthy.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Im not a fan of McCarthy. Lets be honest, you have Rogers for how long? I think there is no question on earth you should have had more success than you did. Its most like the success they had was in spite of McCarthy.
This is all utter nonsense, as is the bashing of McCarthy in general. He had an amazing run in Green Bay. 9 Playoff runs, and a Super Bowl win. He blew blew away Sherman & Holmgren. His teams were ranked overall in the top 10 in 9 of his 13 years, top ten in offense 9 of his 13 years, top 3 in points scored for 5 of those years. Browns fans, who haven't had a real coach since Belichick and 3 winning records in 26 seasons, bashing McCarthy is a joke. A freaking joke. I can only imagine what McCarthy could do with Baker Mayfield, Nick Chubb, and the host of talent Dorsey would surround him with. But let's pass on a coach like him because a bunch of keyboard experts know so much about it. Hilarious.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
Im not a fan of McCarthy. Lets be honest, you have Rogers for how long? I think there is no question on earth you should have had more success than you did. Its most like the success they had was in spite of McCarthy.
This is all utter nonsense, as is the bashing of McCarthy in general. He had an amazing run in Green Bay. 9 Playoff runs, and a Super Bowl win. He blew blew away Sherman & Holmgren. His teams were ranked overall in the top 10 in 9 of his 13 years, top ten in offense 9 of his 13 years, top 3 in points scored for 5 of those years. Browns fans, who haven't had a real coach since Belichick and 3 winning records in 26 seasons, bashing McCarthy is a joke. A freaking joke. I can only imagine what McCarthy could do with Baker Mayfield, Nick Chubb, and the host of talent Dorsey would surround him with. But let's pass on a coach like him because a bunch of keyboard experts know so much about it. Hilarious.
He had arguably one of the best QBs of all time and squandered it. How is he going to do better with lesser talent? I just don't think it's a good match for us or for Baker.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
If the only player on your team was the QB, I'd agree. Green Bay has never had a strong D. How many times have they had huge numbers on the scoreboard during those years and still couldn't win games?
I'm not necessarily throwing my support behind McCarthy but to try to simplify everything down to Rodgers and not look at the Packers as a whole I think is very short sighted.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Im not a fan of McCarthy. Lets be honest, you have Rogers for how long? I think there is no question on earth you should have had more success than you did. Its most like the success they had was in spite of McCarthy.
This is all utter nonsense, as is the bashing of McCarthy in general. He had an amazing run in Green Bay. 9 Playoff runs, and a Super Bowl win. He blew blew away Sherman & Holmgren. His teams were ranked overall in the top 10 in 9 of his 13 years, top ten in offense 9 of his 13 years, top 3 in points scored for 5 of those years. Browns fans, who haven't had a real coach since Belichick and 3 winning records in 26 seasons, bashing McCarthy is a joke. A freaking joke. I can only imagine what McCarthy could do with Baker Mayfield, Nick Chubb, and the host of talent Dorsey would surround him with. But let's pass on a coach like him because a bunch of keyboard experts know so much about it. Hilarious.
He had arguably one of the best QBs of all time and squandered it. How is he going to do better with lesser talent? I just don't think it's a good match for us or for Baker.
Yeah, okay. Like I said, opinions like that should really weigh heavily on the decision making process. Did you read the article about Rogers continually changing the plays? Maybe that's part of the reason for the lack of success lately, huh? And he didn't squander anything, he turned it into successful year after successful year. Browns fans would $#!% themselves to have one year like that, let alone nine.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
McCarthy made a huge mess of the secondary situation. How much of it was his fault who knows.
Burnett gets signed to a contract, Clinton Dix is there….you take Randall with your 1st round pick. Then you make Randall play corner when he was a safety in college and let Casey Heyward walk…… then you trade him for Kizer…….THEN you trade Clinton Dix?
Like you said, we don't know what the deal is there, so how can you blame it on McCarthy? I'm not saying it's not his fault, but we don't know. And here, Dorsey would control the roster. And again, I'm not advocating for McCarthy, I just think the bashing is bullshart, and I'd be okay with it if that's the way Dorsey goes. To pretend it would be anything but a step up for us is nonsense.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
He won a Super Bowl, I wouldn't say he squandered it.
Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer....
There's a long list of QBs who haven't won a super bowl... one of my favorites and a hall of famer, Steve Young only won one... and he sat on the bench half his career.
Not knocking what you're saying, I just don't agree with your sentiment of "squandering it."
I don't know if I would say McCarthy squandered his opportunity. What active coach outside of Bellicheck has had the same success over the same extended period? Tomlin has one SB win. Pete Carroll has one win. Prior to last season, did he have a sub .500 record? I don't know if he is the best one for the job but it seems some are talking about him like he is Pat Shurmur. Although he does have ties to Holmgren and that will be a hard pill for me to swallow.
Alonzo Highsmith and Eliot Wolf were in GB last year. If anyone has the pulse on the situation in Green Bay, it would be those two. And I'm guessing they have Dorsey's ear on the matter.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Someone here said Wolf wanted McCarthy out in GB and that's why Wolf was let go... I've tried searching for said article without any luck... anyone have any evidence of the aforementioned possible scenario?
Alonzo Highsmith and Eliot Wolf were in GB last year. If anyone has a pulse on the situation in Green Bay, it would be those two. And I'm guessing they have Dorsey's ear on the matter.
I'd love to get a look at Dorsey's list.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
Someone here said Wolf wanted McCarthy out in GB and that's why Wolf was let go... I've tried searching for said article without any luck... anyone have any evidence of the aforementioned possible scenario?
Well I would be careful about that one. All too often we see an article and sometimes that article gets repeated coming from a single source that later turns out to be incorrect. I'm not saying it has no validity, but one would think if there was any traction to such a thing the story would be more wide spread than a single article somewhere.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Someone here said Wolf wanted McCarthy out in GB and that's why Wolf was let go... I've tried searching for said article without any luck... anyone have any evidence of the aforementioned possible scenario?
Well I would be careful about that one. All too often we see an article and sometimes that article gets repeated coming from a single source that later turns out to be incorrect. I'm not saying it has no validity, but one would think if there was any traction to such a thing the story would be more wide spread than a single article somewhere.
That's why I asked... no one else seems to care that this may have happened if it did, so it makes me wonder if it actually happened as it was explained. It could have been a Green Bay article like some of the ones Grossi or MKC would write here making something out of nothing.
I thought it had more to do with him not getting the GM position. I seem to remember there may have been some issues between he and Brian Gutekunst ?
If I remember correctly, I believe the poster was saying the packers went with Gutekunst over Wolf because Wolf wanted to fire McCarthy. I have no idea if any of this is true. The post is somewhere around here and it's possible I'm misremembering.
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