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Go re-read what i wrote ...

I said i got 2 or 3 pieces of info from him .... 1 was verified ... one was not ... he told me a whole bunch of other stuff that was always true ...

I also got a couple other things from the sources i followed back then ... some paper on the net ...

I dont take single incidents and run with them .. especially not unverifiable ones ... what i told u in PM’s i had read in two seperate recruiting articles and then my contact mentioned it ... un prompted ... then told me another story ... that one was never verified ... its why i never mentioned it ...

I have two or three others that had nuttin to do with my contact that i knew was biased .. im not stupid Haus ... u clearly want this to go one way ... and thats fine .. i get it ...

If u weren’t clear cause my post wasnt written well ... no problems .. if u understood what i just articulated and still believe what u wrote ... thats BS and very deviscesque ...

I acknowledged what a shady world it was ... i also pointed out why Urban and Saban are at the bottom of it in my book ....

Jim Brown was a GREAT GUY in many many ways off the football field ... hes done a heck of a lot of good for a heck of a lot of people ... dont mean he didnt have his warts ...

Believe what u want ... its your world, im just typing in it ...

Now let me add how funny it seems that all of these so called "experts" are now being kind to Urban after vilifying him early in the season, its like going to the funeral of someone you did not get along with and tell everyone how good he was and how you and him were such good friends

j/c...

Ari Wasserman had this story back on 9/22/18 (Ohio State obviously died it at the time). Sounds like this has been the plan for quite some time.

A snippet from that story in The Athletic...

A person close to the program told The Athletic that senior university officials have begun discussions about a “coach-in-waiting” arrangement, meaning he would be Meyer’s eventual successor as Buckeyes coach. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the discussions are in progress. Day doesn’t have any head-coaching experience but did have a three-game trial run as Ohio State’s interim coach.

Day, 39, received a three-year deal and a raise before this season, which isn’t typical for Buckeyes assistants. That was Ohio State’s attempt to keep him away from Mississippi State, which offered him its head-coaching position. The Buckeyes also made him the first $1 million coordinator in program history.

Ohio State had options when naming an interim coach after Meyer was suspended. It could have gone with Greg Schiano, a former coach in the NFL and at Rutgers, or Kevin Wilson, Indiana’s former coach. The Buckeyes also could have gone with defensive line coach Larry Johnson, a longtime college assistant. But it went with Day. The person close to the program said getting Day head-coaching experience that his peers on the staff already had was part of the reason the choice of Day was made.

Well it helps when you're not trying to kill them all and steal their land. Just sayin'.

no, no he wasn't. lol.

no women beaters are great guys, no matter what else they do.

He may not have tried to kill him physically but did try to kill his coaching career and Ohio States recruiting and name which is still going on from the E$PN/$EC talking heads

Agreed, but next year might be a rough one. Who knows how recruiting will go and he's losing a couple WR, likely his QB, and a couple OL, plus Bosa and likely Jones on the DL. Thankfully, I can't imagine too many underclassmen leaving early from this team (other than those mentioned already) - I suppose Sheffield, Weber, and maybe Harrison are possible.

This team is loaded for next year Meyer saw to that ...

we most likely losing haskins, a couple wr, ol, bosa - I don't know if they are going to be "loaded"

That is a great point to take note of in their re-telling and selling this "they do not know that" swami news about him being back in another saddle. He has dismounted from a job which ends (hopefully) in the Rose Bowl with a notch. He has succeeded wildly.

What program might he find enticing? Why would he step down to return to coaching? I see him with family. I don't think you need a bunch of tea leaves to read this with his health issues. JMO and nor for use by BSPN.

Just in case anyone was wondering:

Dwayne Haskins plans to play in the Rose Bowl | cleveland.com
https://www.cleveland.com//osu/2018/12/dwayne-haskins-plans-to-play-in-the-rose-bowl.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins stated that he plans to play in the Rose Bowl against No. 9 Washington.

“I’m playing in the game,” Haskins said.

In an era where many potential first-round NFL Draft picks opt to sit out of bowl games not included in the College Football Playoff, Haskins firmly stated he plans to play it what many believe will be his final game in an Ohio State jersey.

“Rose Bowl has a great history,” Haskins said. “A lot of quarterbacks have played in that and it’s a very rich tradition game. I’m looking forward to playing with my teammates.”

Prior to the game, there is a high chance that Haskins will be selected as a finalist for the Heisman Trophy after a season where he threw for 4,580 yards and 47 touchdowns.

Ohio State faces a Washington team that beat Utah, 10-3 to win the Pac-12 Championship. The game will be held on January 1.

He quit his previous job for health reasons.

Calm down man....you now have a weight room.

Yeah, I wish him well. I hope with all his medical issues that he doesn't try to return to coaching and just enjoys the rest of his days without the stress of coaching big time college football. I'd be wrong if I didn't think he'd be back though. We'll see. I hope to god it's not the NFL because with those concerns, he probably shouldn't be putting in those insane hours.

I'll remember him for that amazing 2014 run, beating Alabama, beating Oregon, all with a 3rd string QB who was at that point, mostly known for a stupid regrettable tweet.

I think he was wrong for not putting Zach Smith on leave. As usual with any kind of issue that hits the public, both sides are ridiculous. The people that are in blind support of Ohio State are awful for thinking that something wasn't right, simply because no charges were filed.

The other side, which definitely wants Ohio State to burn, treats Meyer as if he were the one hitting his wife. He was wrong, but it's also a bit ridiculous to make him the police. He should have put Smith on leave until things were figured out, regardless of what happened. He didn't, and I think deep down he regrets it, because of the way he has treated players in the past who have hit women, most notably Carlos Hyde, who got 3 games for literally not doing anything. Tape evidence and all.

I think Ryan Day is right guy to move forward with. He did a great job at the beginning of the year, and I am curious to see what he does with the current staff, and if he will make any changes.

I think we all knew when Meyer signed up that this wasn't going to be some 20 year run. His record during his time there is unbelievable. 7-0 against his rival, 1 national championship, with another playoff apperance, with some of the most memorable games we've seen.

I wish Urban well. While i think he punked out on the Gators because Saban was getting the players he wanted, I still love the guy.

My favorite Urban moment....the year before the Bulldogs beat us,,,,the year when they scored a TD early and their entire bench took a penalty for rushing the field to celebrate.

The next year we were killing the Dawgs. Urban held all of his time outs until the last 40 seconds, and then called all of them to keep the Dawgs on the field as he pulled starters who all celebrated off the field. The whole time Urban staring down the Ga. coach....

That was classic. Exactly what I would have done. I loved it....still do.

Denzel Ward said he was playing in the Cotton Bowl last year against USC, until he decided not to. Urban retiring might spur Haskins into playing, despite the risk and against his better judgement. But I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind either.

I guess I am old school. Not playing is equal to quitting the team.


You can buy insurance for such things. It doesn't cost that much.


I would like to see the NCAA loosen it's grip and allow boosters to pay for such insurance. The kid is going to be able to pay it back, plus a fee in 8 months, be it he is a high draft choice or injured and collects the insurance claim.

Add more teams to the playoffs and more players will play because they are playing for something ...

Also....the reality is most of these top guys already have a agent, they just haven't signed, but the agents pay for said insurance.


The NCAA shouldn't have a problem there either.



Screw the NCAA. Who says a college, or group of colleges has to play under NCAA rules?

Sperg, I could be wrong, but I don't think Urban will coach again. The main reason is that Ohio State was his dream job. I can't see him leaving Ohio State and going to a lesser program.

The only doubt I have is if Urban thinks that Ohio State threw him under the bus in the face of the onslaught by the media and the general population during the scandal that took place before the season.

Personally, I've never understood how a person should be fired from a job due to an allegation, especially when that allegation has been investigated by the police and the accuser's own mother became estranged from her due to her allegations.

If he retired due to health reasons he won't coach again. If he retired because of the feeling slighted by the administration then I could see him taking a coaching job like the USC Trojans after taking a year or 2 off.

I get that, but I think he could have done himself, his team, and the school a lot of favors by putting Smith on leave, until things were figured out. I understand that there are superiors, and Ohio State has an AD, but Meyer has more pull at that school than anyone else on campus. If he put Smith on leave, no one would have questioned it, instead they played this whole charade of not knowing, text messages being deleted, etc.. Regardless of what happened, it's a bad look.

Smith also did himself no favors by going onto social media and acting like a teenager. The guy needs serious help.

I'm not arguing. Just stating my opinion.

One solution would be for the NFL to have to drop its "3+ years out of high school" rule. If a player is talented enough to play in the league, he should be able to make a living doing so.

But, wouldn't that just translate into NCAA player sitting out games a year, or even 2 years, earlier?

How about if the NFL provides an umbrella policy against injury for players in NCAA Bowl games, and the Championship Series?

That would be quite expensive for the NFL. The whole idea is arguably about money in the first place, with the NFL wanting to maintain its free, de facto minor league system known as NCAA football.

They're not going to voluntarily buy umbrella policies for all the players in dozens of bowl games.

Okay. But, WHICH players?

Also, using Bosa as an example - he was hurt early in the season - not in a bowl game, or the Championship series.

Bowl games, for players likely to be rated in the top 2 rounds by the advisory panel. You would be insuring maybe 70-75 players, against injury that could be career threatening, or ending. Maybe a joint cooperative venture between the NCAA and the NFL to cover the Bowl season.

Some schools insure certain of their athletes. Clemson took out an injury policy for DeShaun Watson, and paid for it as well. (with Watson as the beneficiary, of course)

Our former 7th round pick, Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, also had an injury policy, that he had to collect on.

I think we need to ask ourselves whether the players are there to get an education, or there to play football.

Some people say it's about the education, because the large majority of them will never play in the NFL. Fine... but then talk to somebody who actually attends class at one of these major (and in some cases, surprisingly minor) football schools. The students say, many of the players don't go to class, but they all seem to pass anyway.

If the best players are, in reality, just there to play football, then let them go to the big leagues where they can earn a living.

If you want to balance that with something, then make the whole system more fair for the average fan and citizen. For example, stop providing public/taxpayer funds for NFL stadiums. There's no good reason to subsidize billionaire owners so millionaires can play a game. Let them pay for their biggest costs and watch how the salary cap and salary floor naturally decline.

That's the free market in action-- not the 'socialize the cost, privatize the gains' strategy that some people are so passionate about defending.

I also don't think it's right to deny someone like Nick Bosa the ability to cash on his very rare skills, worth many millions of dollars per year, due to his age.

He could have played 1-2 full seasons in the NCAA and then moved on. I don't see what the big problem with that is... he was obviously ready to play in the big leagues. In any case, that is something for him and the individual teams to figure out. There shouldn't be a blanket policy preventing him from making a living due to his age.

I agree - for many/most of the D1 school's players, they are there to play football.

Which, when you hear of someone like Krenzel from OSU a number of years back. Not only did he play football, but he graduated in pre-med. That should earn some serious respect (not just for him, for all the players that actually DO graduate with a decent degree)


Fine by me.


You lost me here. That's a different discussion, isn't it?


I agree. I don't think it's right to deny him the right to earn an income. However, I never said it was.

My point, which I apparently didn't make clear, was having the ncaa pay for insurance - for WHO? Y town said maybe players that are hyped to be in the top 2 rounds.

Okay. What about the guy that has a definite 3rd round chance? He doesn't get the insurance?

I'm sure there would be some legal wrangling over that.



Agreed. That's, again, not the point I was attempting to make.

It was stated that if the nfl didn't mandate 3 years in college, this type of thing (missing bowl games) wouldn't happen.

Bosa was high in the rankings after his 2nd year, heck, most teams had their eye on him after 1 year at OSU.

All I was questioning was: So, you take away the 3 years in college requirement. Make it 2 years. A player the caliber of Bosa would/could decide to sit out towards the end of his second year, heck, good enough maybe at the end of his first year?


To me, this 'paying for their insurance thing' in order to entice them to play - the top players that is - and ignoring the 'lesser' players would be akin to the ncaa paying college athletes - but not all of them - only the football players and basketball players.

Not the tennis players, or volleyball players, swim team, etc. I know, I know, the football and mens basketball sports are the revenue makers.

So, take a player like Bosa. Pay his insurance. What about his backup? He doesn't get insurance?

Pay the football teams players. But which ones? If you're a scholarship football player, 3rd string, should you get the same amount as the star? If not, why not? You put in the same amount of time in practice, travel, being at the games, etc.


Just raising questions, that's all.

They are good questions. Unfortunately I don't have good answers to several of them.

About public-funded stadiums: it is mostly a different topic. I was just presenting something from the other side. The players, as a whole, have a really good thing going on, which is something the 'pay the players' crowd won't always acknowledge.

I can't believe Kliff Kingsbury went to USC. Clay Helton might've just hired his replacement.

Bad Idea. College football is the NFL's minor league. The NFL needs the college programs to develop their players. They still do a good job of that even if not so much at the QB position anymore, but the NFL is changing, be it slow.



A kid out of HS isn't going to be able to compete in the NFL. He just isn't while that isn't so in sports like basketball or baseball. If you can hit you can hit. If you can throw 95, you can. If you can shoot, you can shoot.

You can't put on 35lbs of man muscle on summer vacation. Unlike women who grow earlier, guys still do a lot of growing between 17-18 and 21-22 years of age.

Cris Carter alluded to Urban getting a procedure, sitting a bit, then returning to coaching

Yep, he’s taking over for Harbaugh at Michigan.

I have been through this with Urban. I am a Gator season ticket holder. I only hold them because my seat mate buys them and pays the yearly fee because we sit together and he can't buy them if I dump them. I didn't go to any games this year. Went to two last year..


That said, I like Urban. I do think he is self serving and not a good guy, but I like him.


This time I do think his health is a problem.


If it's like last time, Michigan has been getting the players he wanted just like Bama started plucking the players he wanted when he was the Gator coach.


I will say that Urban doesn't like competition.

I'm pretty sure Meyer has had the best recruiting class in the Big Ten every year he's been here. They've been among the best in the country. Like Vers pointed out a few days ago, that is hard to replace.

For the record, Florida's recruiting class in 2010-- Urban's last year there, was the #1 recruiting class in the country.

I saw we had 2 de-commits since yesterday