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A D minded HC would have NO SHOT at developing a young QB ... i mean ... just imagine how good one Tom Brady would be if he didnt have BILLICHECK STIFLING HIS DEVELOPMENT ,, ,,,,

so much hate

Dim ... *L* ... good one ...

Bill Walsh ... Don Corryell ... yup ... Bill fits right in with that group being offensive genius hes known to be ...

John very well may know more bout O than Billy ... i know this is th first time i;ve ever seen anyone RAVE about Bills OFFENSIVE GENIUS ,,, ....

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After listening to Baker's presser today I think I would put the odds of Lincoln as coach at 90%, the field 10%.

I don't know. I am thinking fresh. The game is changing. Baker is fresh and needs a fresh coach IMO. At least a fresh coordinator.

Again, I am not against keeping who we have. Williams provides the experience and Freddy provides the fresh.

For me, Lincoln Riley is the pipe dream. I don't there is any chance of it happening, but if it does then we got our long term coach for sure.

I am not a huge Gregg Williams fan, but if we can somehow hire a different non-Gregg Williams head coach and keep Gregg Williams, that is a coup. Just having the continuity in place would be huge, although I would worry about power dynamics among the players. It would be weird to have someone who used to be in charge still in the building, but not in charge. I think there is a very small chance Gregg Williams is back with the team next year.

I don't agree that a coach from the defensive side can't help a QB.


For that matter, Greg Williams was a QB in college.


It just comes down to student and pupil. If they connect, it works.

It's more about keeping the offense fresh and tailoring it to the skills of your QB. Gregg Williams is not/shouldn't be that involved with the offense.

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Going younger and more innovative is a league-wide trend so I'm not sure how many teams are going to be interested in Greg Williams as a coach. I'm guessing not many, though we'll see how the rest of the season plays out.

Williams as DC can work as long as everyone is on the same page. That is to say, the new coach wants him here and Williams understands that he's the defensive coordinator or maybe even DC + assistant head coach, or something along those lines.

You can't have a situation like we had with Haley earlier in the year, where he was angling to take over for Hue. Hue had his difficulties as the head coach (understatement of the week, though it's still only Wednesday), but he was still the head coach and deserved that respect. Haley should have known better.

I don't see Williams as that guy.. seems like he's a guy who loves and wants to teach football. Assuming that's the case, then I don't see why they can't all be adults and make something work. Of course, he's done a nice job as interim head coach and deserves a serious interview for retaining that position. Ultimately though, it's likely we will get a head coach from outside the building.

There's still a lot of football to be played and a lot of things to evaluate. Let's see what he can do with the defense and rest of the team these next four games.

I'm just thinking out loud here...When a Coach who is / was considered to be a good Offensive minded coach...Takes a Head Coaching job and does not have a OC-coordinator on his staff and fails miserably... The talk is that the HC should of had a OC to help with play calling duties because the job of the HC is to over see the whole team and help with both sides of the ball.

That being said..In cases of where a good Offensive minded HC had a OC and the Offense struggled the OC generally is the first to lose his job.

Now in the case of the Browns... this scenario has played out... Although both the supposedly good / great minded Offensive OC and HC lost there jobs due to poor Offensive play.

Then comes along the Defensive minded DC who takes over as the HC and has the Offense including the rookie QB playing better then ever... Arguably the fact would point to the HC allowing the OC to do his job to improve the Offense so the Intern HC could over see the team and get everyone on board and playing with some sense of urgency to win.

I guess I don't yet get the understanding that a Offensive minded or Defensive minded HC is the one who will make or break a young QB. Isn't it the OC and QB's coaches who are mostly responsible for the development of the QB ?

As of now I see Kitchens..Zampese and Saunders doing a fairly nice job with developing the young QB.

As of now I see Williams doing a fairly good job with the team as a whole.

The thought is...the Browns bring in a good Offensive minded HC to help with the development of the young QB... So as he is doing that..what happens to the rest of the team ?

I guess I just don't get it...I just want a HC who is going to make all sides of the team good...not just a QB.

Not only is there a chance of it happening, I'm doubling down and making it 95% Lincoln, 5% the field.

Bookmark this. It's happening.

I believe he's letting the Offensive coaches do there job as he's doing his as a HC..

That's pretty much what people said about the last HC.. concentrate on the HC duties.

Does Oklahoma have a good Defense ? Because if Lincoln Riley can only improve the Offense and the rest of the parts fall apart.. It's going to be another year of hell in the AFCN.. Where Defenses help with winning.

yall don't want this on the sideline?



yall not about that life.

We must have this guy. lol

I think he looks like a little whiner... look at his face before he throws his fit...

I swear it looks like he knows he's going to Michigan and loses to Urban over and over and....you get the point

I have a really strong feeling that it's going to be Lincoln Riley.

I basically feel the opposite. I think there is a very small chance he leaves Oklahoma for any NFL job.

I said this before we hired Hue Jackson and I'll say it again now. I'd leave no stone unturned finding the perfect coach. Specifically there are a ton of college coaches I'd look at. Last time I said I would look at Matt Wells of Utah State (he just got hired at Texas Tech). This time around I'd be very interested in Seth Littrell from North Texas, Matt Rhule from Baylor, Jeff Brohm from Purdue (he just signed an extension), and Kyle Whittingham from Utah. All of those guys will eventually have big time jobs. Hire them before you never have the chance to hire them. If you can't/don't want to hire them then interview them and pick their brain.

I would agree with you.

I think it's gotta be real close to zero percent that our next HC is Lincoln Riley. I don't think he's going anywhere.

I was high on the Defilippo and/or Schwartz possibility but I have to think McCarthy is the potential favorite with perhaps Toub or Bieniemy as possibilities.

The Vikings might fire DeFilippo. Zimmer has been grumbling about him a bit.

If we were going to hire a defensive coach I'd take Jim Schwartz. I just don't see it in the cards.

McCarthy is so milquetoast. There are so many coaches I'd rather have.

Indeed. I'd put his chances of being the Browns HC next year at less than 1%.

Dorsey will not hitch his future to that wagon.

This is Dorsey's baby and McCarthy is definitely not the guy. I'd almost be surprised if he got an interview.

Furthermore, Arians pleas to coach the team reek of desperation and are a turn off. Hard pass.

I am one of the least informed posters when it comes to knowing potential coaches, so I'm not speaking from knowledge of Pete Carmichael, but more from knowledge of how the world works generally.

I think that someone who has stayed in the same position for 10 years may be someone who has found their niche. Has he interviewed for other HC jobs before this? Is he a guy who innovates or someone who implements? Is the success of the Saints more about Peyton and Brees with Carmichael more of a facilitator?

If he has been an integral part of the the concept and execution of the Saints offense and has reached a point where he is ready and able to take the next step, then by all means, he should be in the mix for a HC job. But if he is more of a guy who is good at making someone else's ideas come to life, then maybe he isn't who we should be looking at. And I mean that generally, not specifically about Carmichael. I don't want to waste this golden opportunity on someone like Romeo Crennel who is a great DC, but failed as a HC. Some people are just not made for the top dog role.

This, please.

I don't know Jim Harbaugh personally, so I may be off on my impression of him. But just going off my own impression of Jim Harbaugh, it seems like he and Baker would have some real personality clashes along the way.

There is zero chance McCarthy will be the coach. Zero.

Once Riley becomes coach, I will have my device/Baker moment.

I think McCarthy is exactly what Dorsey is looking for. And you can't argue with his record...10 times in the playoffs in 13 seasons?

I don't think Jim Harbaugh is appropriate because wasn't part of the problem in San Francisco that he wanted more control?

I like the assessment of Carmichael by 84 also. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but I like to think it makes sense. I get the feeling he's not on our radar.


I'm sure Dorsey has already talked to McCarthy. It would be foolish for him not to, right?

At this point I'd say McCarthy is the unequivocal favorite for the job. However, we have a long way to go in this process.

Lincoln Riley aside....Baker Mayfield is going to play a huge part in this decision, either directly or indirectly. Mayfield said he learned that an NFL coach needs respect first when it comes to working with NFL players making millions (I thought another shot against Hue) and that will be an important factor for anyone coming to Cleveland. I think Dorsey will need to find a coach that Mayfield will respect because the wagon is clearly attached to Baker for the foreseeable future and what he thinks, feels, says, how he acts/repsonds will carry a ton of weight.

I think that is why Riley is such a hot name, because clearly Baker has a solid relationship with Riley. I have no clue how Riley would respond to the NFL, but he would have one box checked- instant respect from your franchise QB. And obviously Baker has the respect of his teammates so the ripple down affect and buy-in could happen rather quickly. But again, I don't know how Riley would translate as an effective NFL HC.

Is Winston Moss a viable candidate? Don't know much about him but remember him as a player. Just following the Green Bay trail here. Does it seem like anyone that crosses Rogers is being shown the door?

I would be shocked if Riley becomes the HC. Not disappointed, but shocked.

This is pretty much it.

Baker was lying through his teeth in his presser yesterday when he said he would have no impact on the decision. I thought his body language gave it away. This was after 30 seconds of effusive praise for Riley (and yes, a shot at Hue).

I'm sure Dorsey and Baker have talked about this already. Dorsey being on the OU sideline two weeks in a row was no coincidence. The beautiful thing about Dorseys position is he can do pretty much whatever he wants and doesn't have to answer to the media for it since he won't talk to them again until the end of the season. He can be less discreet. Dorsey and Baker are dropping all kinds of hints.

Unless he was there to scout players and use it as an effective smoke screen.

Baker has an impact, but I doubt he has a say.

Highly highly doubt Riley will leave Oklahoma for Cleveland. I could be eating crow for months because I put the likelihood on this at less than 1%.