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It's amazing how poorly coached our offensive unit was. Can't ever remember a mid season turnaround like this.

There's really nothing wrong with having a firm grasp of the obvious.

I'll second this.
While I've always accepted the truth that coaching makes a difference, I *never* would have thought the difference could be this stark, especially in such a short time frame. I could not have accepted that the performance of the same players in the same systems could be so dramatically different with nothing more than a change of coaching.

I’m STUNNED ... i still cant believe what transpired ... talk about not utilizing assets ... crap .. that was criminally negligent ... *L* ...

I missed as big on this one as i did Brady ... ...

i was soooooo excited at all that O brain power in one room ... THRILLED ... and appearantly for what ever reason Hue decides to remove himself from the room ... HUH .... WHY ... WHAT ...

Makes no sense on any level to me ... i have no clue what to believe at this point ... this would lead me to believe Haley was shoved down his throat and he had no choice ... but that logic has flaws in it also ...

Lots of UNCONNECTED DOTS here ... this one being the DUMBEST OF ALL ...

The ONLY thing I can think of is that a condition of getting Haley to come here is that he was contractually guaranteed autonomous control of the offense.

I have absolutely nothing to back that up except that it is the ONLY thing that makes sense as to why Hue would end up so ineffective and hands-off with the offense this year.

but, the fact remains, as bad as our offense wsa with haley calling the plays, we still had a better offense than we did with hue....

DD, I don't why you are stunned bud, I told you what the problem was at the beginning of the season, you just didn't like my answer.

No u didn’t .. u said Hue sucked .. u didnt say he took himself completely out of the O room altogether and was like a child peeking in on sundays ....

U were right about Hue ... u never said nuttin about this specifically ...

I’ll give credit where credit is due ... good call on hue ... at u saying he took himself out of the O all together ... ...

Can't understand why people think Haley was a bad OC. With Haley we were scoring 21 point in average and had the 5th best run offense.

Just because he didn't rely or made the rookie QB shine, does not mean he was a bad OC.

I'm afraid that with Haley gone, we are going to revert to the idiotic 60% passes with a rookie QB, and abandon the running game in the first quarter.

Haley had the most balanced O in years, and the first time in years that game plans made sense. To me that's the sign of a good OC.

I was under the impression that we have a higher run percentage since Haley left?

The thing was that Haley kept on running no matter what, he wasn't just running the ball to burn the clock, he was pounding the D, to win games when it mattered, the 4th quarter.

I think Haley was fired because he was running too much and not "using" BM to his best ability...


Too early to say, and I honestly wish I am wrong, but like always with the Browns we never understand the secret of our success.

What a load of nonsense. It's well known why Haley was fired.

smh.

Haley was fired because he was underminding Hue to get his job. Lets not make him a maryter when he was not.

Hue was Hue, we all know what a joke he was, but haley although I still believe is a good OC, was doing anything he can to get hue fired. The dum dum didn't realize he didn't need to do anything for that to happen. So I am glad he is gone too.

DD, Hue didn't take himself out of the O, he was told he was not to be involved in the O, because it was TAKEN from him. I believe right around the time he called a flea flicker from our own endzone into 3x coverage that was the idea. Look at the signs:

He kept having to reassure the world "I am the head coach, if I want to take over the offense I will" but he never did. Why? doesn't make sense like you said....because the O was taken from him and Dorsey would not allow him to have control of it again.

It has been reported he went to Dorsey to ask for the offense back, and they refused, and that's what started all the infighting and back stabbing.

It makes perfect sense.

One thing I think: we need to get back to using Duke a bit more again. We can't forget about him. He's gonna be here a while, might as well get he and Baker clicking

ALOT will change this offseason ... ALOT ... in many different ways ...

This off season Bake will get “aquanted” with Vice Grips, Higgins, Calloway and whoever sticks around or is added ... they’ll have two or three passing sessions this off season ...

LOTS of things will be DIFFERENT for us in so many ways ... mostly all positive ...

I am not making Haley a martyr, just contrary to most of the people here I actually think he was doing a good job. IMHO he is the main reason we have a competitive offense this year.

I have no problem of him being fired. We have Dorsey who knows what he is doing.

Now, I know I am going against the current, everybody here thinks BM is the main difference, but to me the major difference was the existence of a running game,and yes HAley has a OC and Hue staying out of the offense.

Don't get me wrong, I think BM is doing great for a rookie and executing very well the O, but I don't think he is ,still, capable of carrying a team, he is not that type of QB, IMHO.

I do not think we will amount to much if we don't build a balanced team.

Yet the O and Baker have looked so much better since the day Haley left.

You can't make that crap up. lmao He'll be here all week folks. Don't forget to order the veal.

Former O-line news:

I liked him when he was here, and would have liked to see him stay, Unfortunately, the injury really derailed him here.

He has played really well for KC in a relief role.

Why is that Diam? Because we now have a QB and a core of players with some talent that will be staying here not wanting to leave as some did in the past. Now we just have to build on what we have.

Sheesh, give it up. He is already showing the talent, leadership, work ethic and respect of his team mates to be able to carry a team.

Letting him go was a mistake. I'd rather have him than Warford...hands down. I'd rather have Drango than Warford as well.

Carry a team to what?


Nominate this for the "Captain Obvious Post of the Week" award... who does amount to much without building somewhat of a balanced team?

Dang ... I should have u proof read and condense my posts ... it would have taken me 500 more words and 6 spelling/grammar errors to say that ... *L* ...

Love when i dont have to answer the questions ... ...

I think you underestimated the # of words and grammatical errors there Dawg

Carry a team means winning a game by himself... I think this is a term used regularly in the NFL.

Like Alex Smith and Kirk cousins are good QB's but they cannot carry their teams.

If I'm captain obvious with my comment, why aren't more people complaining with having BM throw so much in this last game?

How many rookie QB's have been in a position to "carry" their team by themselves, after 9 starts on a team that was coming off a 1-32 skid or whatever the record was at the time?

See - you say you are not bashing BM. But by saying such absurd things and setting the bar so high for a rookie QB, you are definitely undermining his accomplishments and failing to give kudos to how well he has played.

Baker did a pretty good job of "carrying" the team against the Jets and against the Bengals.

But some guys will come on the board and chirp every time they see Baker make a mistake ( which everyone does at times, especially rookies). But when Baker is out there balling you hear nothing out of them.

That's why it is best to take their comments with a grain of salt and move on to more productive conversations.

just clickin'

Snap counts: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2018-snap-counts.htm

For the O-line, on offense:

Desmond Harrison 595 (70.5%)
Austin Corbett 13 (1.54%)
Greg Robinson 251 (29.74%)
Kevin Zeitler 844 (100%)
Joel Bitonio 844 (100%)
Chris Hubbard 844 (100%)
Earl Watford 6 (.71%)
Kyle Kalis 0 (0%)
JC Tretter 844 (100%)

So basically Bitonio - Tretter - Zeitler - Hubbard have all played all the offensive snaps. Harrison and Robinson have combined for the LT snaps and there are some extras in there for jumbo/goal-line packages and such.

Cleveland Browns: Joe Thomas believes in Greg Robinson at left tackle

by Dan Justik 2 hours ago
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2018/12/11/cl...on-left-tackle/


The Cleveland Browns have been looking for a left tackle since Joe Thomas retired in the off-season, but the future Hall of Famer believes Greg Robinson could be the future.
The Cleveland Browns were spoiled having a Hall of Fame caliber left tackle like Joe Thomas for so many years. Since Thomas retired in the off-season, the difference at the position has been extremely noticeable.

No longer do the Browns have a stalwart protecting the quarterback’s blind-side. Instead, the Browns have tried multiple players at the position, and the quarterbacks have been feeling the pressure because of it.

It appeared the Browns were going to open the season with Joel Bitonio moving from left guard to left tackle. But instead, the Browns decided to start undrafted rookie Desmond Harrison in the regular season opener.

Harrison started the first eight games of the season and had his ups-and-downs. Pro Football Focus gave Harrison an overall grade of 57.6, which ranked him as the 64th best tackle this season. Harrison allowed 32 pressures, according to PFF.

After Gregg Williams was named the Browns interim head coach, Harrison was benched and Greg Robinson was named the team’s starting left tackle. He has started the last five games for the Browns, and the results have been better.

Pro Football Focus has not been kind to Robinson, however, giving him a grade of 54.0, ranking him as the 68th best tackle. He has allowed 13 pressures and has been called for a fair share of penalties. Despite that, the Browns offensive line has looked much better since Williams was promoted and Freddie Kitchens became the team’s offensive coordinator, and the difference at left tackle has been noticeable.

Robinson has had some struggles at the position, but Thomas has been a fan of what the 26-year-old has been able to do as the Browns starting left tackle.

“I think he has been doing really well. He’s definitely exceeded expectations,” Thomas said during the Cleveland Browns Daily radio show on Monday. “He’s been very firm in protection, his footwork has been really good. A couple times in the last couple weeks you see him get in a little bit of trouble and he got a holding penalty, a couple last week. He’s working through those things.

“And to me the thing that’s the most exciting about Greg is those times where he has made those mistakes in the last couple weeks was strictly technical. It wasn’t, “Well he’s just not quick enough, or you know, he’s not strong enough.” Those are things that are real big problems, cause how do you fix that overnight.

“But when it’s a technical issue, it’s a little detail issue, that’s something you can get fixed in one practice, and all of a sudden you become a much better player. So for me, he’s played really well and the upside is still even higher right now. He could be their left tackle for several years.”

If the Browns see the same things that Thomas is seeing, then there is reason to believe that Robinson’s performance can improve. The second overall selection in the 2014 NFL Draft is still a young player and has room to grow, despite being viewed as a bust by most that follow the league.

Robinson obviously had the talent necessary in order to be drafted so high. If Robinson was put around bad coaching during his first few years in the league, he was not going to develop properly. And if he was not developing and playing well, his confidence was going to be shattered, further hurting his performance on the field.

No one knows what exactly happened with Robinson and why he was never able to live up to where he was drafted. Perhaps him joining the Browns and surrounding himself with veterans like Bitonio, J.C. Tretter, and Kevin Zeitler and having a coach like Bob Wylie was what Robinson needed to turn his career around.

The Browns continuing to start him at left tackle for the rest of the season and give him experience next to one of the best guards in the league in Bitonio could allow Robinson to finally tap into his potential and become a better NFL offensive tackle.

His future may not be at left tackle, however, as the pressure he has allowed is still concerning. Mayfield has been able to navigate around the pressure, rarely letting the pressure affect his throws. But Robinson may be better suited at right tackle, while the Browns continue to search for another stud left tackle in the off-season.

But for the time being, Robinson is doing a good enough job at left tackle to help the Browns offense to continue to improve. And the fact that his play has impressed a former player like Thomas is a good sign for Robinson.

QB Hits Allowed since Week 9:

CLE: 4
BAL, IND, NE: 19
NO: 20
MIN: 22
PIT, NYG: 25
PHI: 26
ARI, CHI: 27
DEN: 28
CAR, CIN, HOU: 29
LAR: 30
GB: 31
JAX, TEN: 33
NYJ: 34
BUF: 35
LAC, SEA: 36
SF: 37
KC: 39
MIA: 41
OAK: 43
DAL, DET, TB, WAS: 44
ATL: 48

The freaking Browns....

https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/1072622680644423682

THAT is just flat out reeediculous!

HOLY crap that stat is insane

Sure is. And it's a good job by all. From the O-Line (for protecting), to Baker with the pocket awareness and getting rid of the ball quick, to David Njoku for really improving his blocking this year, to Nick Chubb for becoming a much better chip blocker throughout this season

I don't think we need to sign any new OL or draft any OL in the first 4 rounds.

We need to resign Robinson too. He's an UFA

Those numbers are so crazy they can't be right.

WOW.

And don't forget Harrison. His downfall was his lack of strength to contain the bull rush. Come TC, with a full year to work with the strength and conditioning staff, he could be ready to be a beast.