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Glad we are not so focused on the draft at this point in the season.

But I read that DK Metcalf would come out.

Didn't know who he was just saw the announcement. So I decided to see who he was.

If ever there was a guy who on tape looked like someone else it is DK Metcalf. Watching him play is like deja vu all over again. Josh Gordon II.

Size, stride, separation, speed uncanny how he looks like Gordon when you watch this guy.

Check him out. He should be there when we pick.

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Can he run up the middle?


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he's my favorite WR prospect by a country mile. Parris is next, but again, it's not even close.

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It is unreal how much he looks like Gordon running down the field.

Imagine him on our team Chubb, Duke, Landry, Callaway, Njoku, Higgins, and Metcalf. Scary.

Talk about fire power.

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that's who i want


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Hes not going to last to 32 when we are drafting


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
that's who i want


DK Metcalf is 6'4"--225. We gotta get this guy.

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yes, he's exactly what we need


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: kingodawg
Hes not going to last to 32 when we are drafting


Do we have two firsts again this year?


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I think there are a ton of good WRs in this draft.

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I think there are a ton of good WRs in this draft.


So if a good receiver averages 220lbs, you say there is 9 good WR’s in this draft.


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Have not looked.

Just saw this guy.

Really only read a scouting report and watched a highlight reel. Hardly a full analysis.

But I was struck right off by how much he looked like Gordon.

He has that size, speed going. But his long stride caught my eye. I listened to an interview and he seemed like a smart, hard working guy. I like what I saw.

As time goes on I will look more.

I think we will be "big players" in free agency not in volume but quality.


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He looks a little thicker (and stronger) than Gordon at this age, maybe not quite as fast, but still impressive.



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I don't know any timed speed yet but he pulled away from people.

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Can he run up the middle?


rofl


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we definitely need someone with Gordon's frame and skill set without the headaches


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: bonefish

It is unreal how much he looks like Gordon running down the field.

Imagine him on our team Chubb, Duke, Landry, Callaway, Njoku, Higgins, and Metcalf. Scary.

Talk about fire power.





Interesting...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/video/ryan...wr-d-k-metcalf/

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Originally Posted By: bonefish
I don't know any timed speed yet but he pulled away from people.


Definitely wanna look a lot closer at this dude.

Greedy Williams
Devin White
Metcalf

Can't go wrong

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Originally Posted By: Dave
He looks a little thicker (and stronger) than Gordon at this age, maybe not quite as fast, but still impressive.


It's hard to judge a player from a 3 minute highlight clip, but that was very impressive. Of the things to like, and there were many, when he gets into the end zone, he acts like he's been there before. He gives the ball to the ref. (Sorry, I'm old school about that. Everyone has to have a signature dance for doing their job. The worst was Greg Little, who could drop 3 passes in a row, then when he finally caught one, would strike an 'Usain Bolt' pose.)


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Hes not going to last to 32 when we are drafting


Do we have two firsts again this year?


Nope.

And something tells me we'd target a run-stuffing DT with our first rounder instead of a WR.


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yeah same here. Dorsey likes mid round WR guys


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Metcalf had a serious neck injury that ended his season early this year. It's safe to say it will affect where he's slotted in the draft. Medical has to be thoroughly examined on this kid. I like him but I wouldn't use a 1st round pick on any wide-out including a 100% healthy Metcalf. This is a deep WR class.

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For me I don't have a position bias.

Especially when it involves guys who can score touchdowns.

If a player like Sequon Barkley is there or a Calvin Johnson I am taking them unless quarterback is a heavy need.

I have not really studied DK. Just read that he was coming out. There was no mention that any past injury was a current problem.

From first glance he looks very good.

This draft season because we are not in the quarterback market I will really concentrate on other positions.

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If I somehow sent the message that I am critical of Metcalf as a premier wide receiver that was never my intent.

What I was expressing was caution. First of all, caution because the return on investment for receivers drafted in round one is often less value than other positions such as DE, OT or CB. It is probably much closer to ROI of first-round Quarterbacks, historically. You bring up generational type of players such as Calvin Johnson as the explanation for selecting a WR with a high pick. Although Metcalf appears to have some of the measurables that Johnson had that guarantees very little. If you factor in the injury; that reports say he'll recover fully from, then you still have significant risks that he remains physically compromised and opportunity cost by not selecting a player at another position that statistically turns out better when taken high.

If he drops because of his injury and we can draft a top OL or DL in round 1 it's my opinion that would be a less risky strategy to use. There are also a number of other players with similar measurables that will be available at a later draft position that, as of now, don't have known medical considerations. Kelivn Harmon, Demarcus Lodge, Collin Johnson, Lil'Jordan (real name) Humphry, N'Keal Harry, Claypool from ND and my favorite, Emmanuel Butler. There are others also.

I like the player I don't like the idea of the Brown's taking him in the first round for the reasons I've given.

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At this point I am not prepared to discuss this because I have done very little in research.

Your points are valid.

There may be better options when we pick. Right now I don't know. I am a big believer in talent with character. I would never pass on a receiver if I thought he was the best player available.

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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Glad we are not so focused on the draft at this point in the season.

But I read that DK Metcalf would come out.

Didn't know who he was just saw the announcement. So I decided to see who he was.

If ever there was a guy who on tape looked like someone else it is DK Metcalf. Watching him play is like deja vu all over again. Josh Gordon II.

Size, stride, separation, speed uncanny how he looks like Gordon when you watch this guy.

Check him out. He should be there when we pick.


I agree. DK Metcalf was my guy for 1st round pick... before the injury.

Now we might be able to snag him in the 2nd, and I'd LOVE IT.

Plus he's related to Eric Metcalf so that can't hurt :-P

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if he's there in the 2nd i don't blink


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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The impression I get is that Dorsey doesn't draft for needs early in the draft.

I don't think there will be a receiver rated a top 12 or so pick.

There are 5-6 really good DTs in this draft and one of them will be there when we pick.

It's just going to boil down to the board the first few rounds. I think Corbett proves that. He had to be the top rated guy on the board when we picked him. I don't think Dorsey just picked him to pick him.


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Originally Posted By: Punchsmack
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Hes not going to last to 32 when we are drafting


Do we have two firsts again this year?


Nope.

And something tells me we'd target a run-stuffing DT with our first rounder instead of a WR.


So we trade Shelton for a late 3rd then draft a run stuffer in the 1st?

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I am starting to like Quinnen Williams DT Alabama. Question though to anyone.

A QB that plays at a smaller school often gets knocked for playing lesser competition. This fact can be balanced with the notion that his supporting cast i.e. OL, Wrs etc. are lesser talented guys as well. But as far as comparing Ed Oliver to Quinnen Williams it would seem that DT is straight up man on man. Meaning, Quinnen Williams putting up similar numbers as Ed Oliver would favor Williams since he is playing heads up against stiffer competition. Does that even make sense?

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Quote:
The impression I get is that Dorsey doesn't draft for needs early in the draft.

I don't think there will be a receiver rated a top 12 or so pick.
Good thing we are going to win out and be picking in the teens, huh? thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: cle23
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Hes not going to last to 32 when we are drafting


Do we have two firsts again this year?


Nope.

And something tells me we'd target a run-stuffing DT with our first rounder instead of a WR.


So we trade Shelton for a late 3rd then draft a run stuffer in the 1st?


I think we are looking for a athletic run stuffer. A guy who can actually move as well as push the pocket back.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: cle23
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Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Originally Posted By: kingodawg
Hes not going to last to 32 when we are drafting


Do we have two firsts again this year?


Nope.

And something tells me we'd target a run-stuffing DT with our first rounder instead of a WR.


So we trade Shelton for a late 3rd then draft a run stuffer in the 1st?


I think we are looking for a athletic run stuffer. A guy who can actually move as well as push the pocket back.



Run stuffers don’t go in the first round anymore. Maybe in the fourth or fifth. Are you talking about someone like Dontari Poe?

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Wow!

Okay by me. Can he catch? YAC should be solid. Platooning a beast. Speed measure up?


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The only interior DL that is worth atop 15 pick IMO is Quin Williams Alabama he could be a top 5 pick because he is much more than a run stuffer ...

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The NFL seems to be changing. There is a growing emphasis on getting a pass rush in the QB's face. In Williams defense, this ability is valued very highly.

Ed Oliver, Williams and Raekwon Davis could easily go in the top 15. The only thing that might drop Jeffery Simmons would be off-field issues. Tillery and Dre'Mont Jones are likley top 32. The strength of this draft seems to be interior DL and WR, to me.

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Tillery is very very interesting ... he’s a very cerebral dude that could have had his pick of schools ... he had bama the entire sec and pretty much the rest of the country offering him ... everyone would have offered but many thought he was all sec cause of where he grew up ... the schools he visited were interesting and none of them for football reasons ... he said he wanted to go to ND to meet Father Hesburg who is the one man on the ND campus who can stand toe to toe with Lou and Ara when it comes to popularity ...

He chose ND for the things it could do for him off the field starting while he was at ND ... his commitment to football was questioned because the summers in between his first two years he went to Japan one year to intern on their stock exchange and the other year he went to Africa i believe or maybe China on a summer tour of helping locals ...

He was still a decent player .. then this off season football became real important to him for obvious reasons ... and OH MY ... dude balled out ...

He’s and incredible athelete with great feet and hands who is very intelligent ... question is ... will he wait til his career is over before engaging in all the things he wants to off the field or will that interfere with football like it did at ND his first few summers ...





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The NFL seems to be changing. There is a growing emphasis on getting a pass rush in the QB's face. In Williams defense, this ability is valued very highly.

Ed Oliver, Williams and Raekwon Davis could easily go in the top 15. The only thing that might drop Jeffery Simmons would be off-field issues. Tillery and Dre'Mont Jones are likley top 32. The strength of this draft seems to be interior DL and WR, to me.

I saw a WTE mock draft the other day that had us drafting in the mid-teens and taking Ed Oliver...

A difference maker at WR or at DT would be fine with me..


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Who are the skilled guys from Maryland this year? Diggs, DJ Moore, JC Jackson, I think you were the person who really told us about them before the draftniks got a chance.

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Who are the skilled guys from Maryland this year? Diggs, DJ Moore, JC Jackson, I think you were the person who really told us about them before the draftniks got a chance.

I'm not sold on any of their WRs this year. It's their RBs. Ty Johnson (5'10", 212 lbs) was having an outstanding year before he got hurt, runs with some power and has breakaway speed. He's a senior, coming off an injury season (it was a calf, nothing I'd worry too much about). Might be able to grab him in a mid to later round as a nice insurance policy to Chubb.

When Johnson got hurt Anthony McFarland (5'8", 195) stepped in and looked even better. Johnson has less power but faster. He was a true freshman though so still a couple of years away.

Two guys I really like are Damian Prince and Derwin Gray, both are OL.

then they have a LB and a CB who might get drafted but they aren't anything special.


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