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The players seem to really like Williams, and he has them full of confidence.
The change from Hue to him has been drastic. Accountability is in place and improvement is happening. We are winning. Williams has a ton of experience, and knows the game very well. I can't see why some think it would be a mistake to keep him.

So you’ll need to come up with your four line quatrains, if that is your claim.

GW is Head coach next year,
Relying on Baker.
Hue Jackson's out of here,
because he was a faker.

Well, the meter is a little wonky, but we can work with it.

Williams is coach next year,
relying on Baker.
Hue Jackson's out of here,
because he's a faker.

I think that fixes it.

Haha

That’s not bad. Better than I expected!

J/C

My guess is that Freddie Kitchens will be somebody's OC next year. I'd just as soon it be here!

Really liking the thought of Williams as HC, Kitchens as OC, Bowles or Quinn as DC.

It is rare that a failed HC gets another gig as a HC, so Bowles or Quinn may be receptive to working as DC under Williams.

Nah.

If that were to happen, I wouldn't be mad if we Ryan Day'd Freddie Kitchens...

J/C

I am not going to say it again...

John Dorsey has hand picked this roster so far.

John Dorsey, is smart enough to hire a HC that is going to have A SYSTEM that fits the types of players he has hand picked.

If that is GW, fine. If its not, ITS NOT THE SAME ROAD WE HAVE BEEN DOWN
1. We have never had a GM like Dorsey on this road
2. The guy hiring the coach, knows the type of system HIS players fit

THIS IS a very different road, one with a lot less bumps we have ever been on.

Settle down, peeps - enjoy the show, cause its going to be one heck of a ride!

If we go with C, do we still get that extra mini-camp? Since all teams get an extra camp with new staffs, would we get one?

to stay right were he is

Probably less than 1% Riley becomes the coach. Probably less than 1% Williams remains HC.

Williams is over .500 as the interim head coach if he can get this team to .500 or nearly .500 there is no way he won't be retained.

Not to mention his two losses are against the Chiefs and the Texans...20-6 combined.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think there's anything short of winning the Super Bowl that Williams can do to remain HC of this team.

Whats your logic on both? ...

I believe Riley doesnt have near the shot most do ... i would also agree with you that way to many posters on here think Williams has a way better shot than he does ... I think hes got a legite shot I just don’t see it ... he all ready played his way into the convo .. next 3 weeks set up well for us ... if we win out he moves to the top tier ... i just don’t see him being the final choice though .. i have my reasons ..

Just curious as to why u basically give neither of them any shot at all ...

I don't want Gregg Williams to be our Head Coach. I think I've made that clear. But, that kind of decision isn't really up to Dorsey.

While Dorsey is leading the Head Coaching search, I don't think the power structure has changed. The Head Coach still answers to the Haslams. I think if at the end of the year, they tell Dorsey they want Williams, that's what it is. Not really anything Dorsey can do about it.

We finish with a winning record no way in hell, Haslam blows up this coaching staff after winning 1 game in the previous 2 years.

Funny thing if we win out, we will need Hue Jackson to win the arc north by beating the Steelers week 17. Talk about ironic.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

I almost said that yesterday ... if we win the next two and pitt loses the next two were gonna need Hue to beat the Stilers ... and by then he may be HC ... dont think Lewis will be forced during the year ... if he is ... Hue may be the HC for that game ...

I thought ... dang .... lots of haters gonna have to root for Hue and when the bungles lose cause of a severe lack of talent we’ll find out if its possible for the haters to hate him even more ...

I’d *L* but its actually not funny ....

It may actually happen ... a very viable scenario with the schedules the next two weeks ...

two things about that...

1. he wouldn't win
2. I could easily see him throwing the game just in spite.

Lol. We're stuck with having to root for Hue to win. Just when you think that nightmare is over. This must be what having herpes is like.

Stop ... no-one is rooting for Hue.

We are rooting against the Steelers.

Probably less than 1% chance anyone here knows anything about it at this point.

Of course u could ... not surprised at all ..

In case u wondering ... i do consider u one of the haters ... and your not a fringe member ... *L* ...

IF it somehow happens any chance u can limit your mentions or replies to anything hue to say 1 a week? .... deal? ...

I haven't brought up Hue since he was fired unless it was a reply to another post. I hear the cincy bandwagon has lots of open seats

But now that you bring it up, hue is still winless at Cincy

Sheesh ... u guys are SOOOOOOO BITTER ...

I’M SO GLAD I DONT CARRY THAT AROUND WITH ME ON SUNDAYS ...oooopss .. sorry bout the caps ...

The last 2 years were rough enough ... having that animosity towards Hue had to make it way worse ... thats gotta suck ..

I could care less about Hue anymore ... just another coach to me .... only signifance is he’s a coach in our division for now ...

If Marv gets fired i wonder if Hue goes or gets the HC gig ... pretty extreme variance .... *L* ...

U didn’t answer my question bro ... notice i mentioned replies specifically ... ...

I noticed ours is quite a bit crowded and some of the new dawgs still have bengal stripe remnants on them ...

Poor bungles ... *LOL* ...

I just feel like Dorsey is going to bring in his own guy to coach this team. I think he had a list when he got here and neither Williams or Riley were on that list. Riley maybe was added, but he was in the middle of his first season as HC when Dorsey arrived. The transition to the Pros from college for a 35 yr old 2nd year head coach can't be easy, no? Not saying he can't, but maybe it's too soon for Riley, but I'm sure he'll get interviews.

I think Baker is as much to blame for our "winning" as either Williams/Kitchens... but at least they are showing just how inept Hue had been. Even if we make Williams the HC, I still wouldn't be convinced this was Dorsey's guy and that this is just another Mangini situation, retaining a guy to be HC because he finished the season well...

The coaches Dorsey has worked with during his time in the NFL have all been from the Packers tree whether it was Holmgren or Sherman or McCarthy or Reid... I fully expect we will see something similar here... whether they come directly from the Packers or Chiefs or from someone under them like from the Pederson or Nagy coaching tree. Dorsey is going to find the best guy and I don't think he will have any trouble convincing Haslam to hire whomever it is he sees necessary.

I'm not ruling out Williams or Riley, I just think they have a very miniscule chance to become our future HC.

If I were to guess, I'd have to think McCarthy is very high on the list... The way this is playing out screams Andy Reid to me. He was let go and then headed to the Chiefs, where Dorsey was GM. Under this scenario, I don't think Williams or Kitchens would be retained. McCarthy will want to be the play caller I'm sure.

I'm not pretending to know things, this is just what I've gathered from history and readings...

I think the term "Hue Hater" is incorrect. I prefer "Hue Realist."


I don't hate him. Never have. He just sucked. I wish him well, but a team will have to be pretty foolish to give him another HC job...


Bengals

I really like this scenario more and more each week.

I mean, you cant have better continuity than that I don't think.

Thanks for the reply ... appreciate it ...

It logical and I wouldn’t really argue it because of that ... i also happen to agree with this line of thinking ....

I have been consistent and adamant about Riley being a DUMB BUTT choice ... zero experience in the nfl at any level other than fan coupled with only two years as a college HC ... naaa ... hew not ready ... Dorseys a pro ... he knows it ...

If we did hire Riley not sure i could be convinced the THIEF didnt once again muck things up ...

That would be an EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE hire for anyone with a clue ...

Agree on Williams chances cause of Dorsey having a list and having his guys ... i also believe King John is updating that list til today ... i’m Sure u do also ...

IMO Williams and Kitchens have played there way on to the list up til now ... where they end up pre-interview on the list and how realistic a chance they have depends on the next three weeks and HOW WELL they get along with King John ASSuming King John is 100% IN CHARGE ... will the THIEF muck this up ...

Bake is a huge reason for there success ... no doubt ... I believe Bake could succeed with many OC’s and HC’s ...

I also believe Kitchens has done a GREAT JOB putting in plays Bake can execute ... he’s also shored u the protection ... Hubbard did not all of a sudden become a much much better pass blocker nor did Robinson take this gigantic leap some ASSume caue the sack #’s are ... well quite frankly MIND BOGGINGLY GREAT ... i dont care who the D’s are your playing against thats an incredible streak they had and still do .. 1 sack in that many games is unimaginable ..

There’s a reason for that dawg .... think about it and get back to me ....

Let me now if u think maybe they have a better shot than u think even though it may not be as good a shot as i think ...

We have no clue what there chemistry is like ... NONE ....

What u said about McCarthy and he Packer tree is very logical and makes perfect sense ...

Will be fun to watch it play out ... cause of Bake and the rest of the young talent and cap space we have .. were gonna have the pick of the litter IF the THIEF JUST gets out of the way ...

I never "hated" Hue. I even said several times on the board he seemed like a good family man and a lot of the players seemed to like him. I despised him as a HC. Nothing was personal about my dislike of him.

A few posters, seemed to be gaga over him and ate and drank everything he ever said as gospel. Go back and read some the Hard Knock threads, and you can see that.

I did however lose a respect for him as MAN when he left here and tried to blame everything and everyone but himself for his firing. He tried to blame Baker in his First Take interview (meanwhile if he had started baker day 1, he probably would still have a job and we probably would be pushing for a playoff spot right now), he tried to blame Haley, he tried to blame literally every single person and took 0 accountability for his actions and his coaching. 0 accountability from a HC trickles down to the team, and we saw that week in and week out, penalty after penalty.

Just my .02

Agree with everything u say ...

My choices as of now would be

1a. Arians ... keep Kitchens and the continuity and bounce Williams ... not a fan of his style of D ..

1b. John H ... never was a fan .. he’s grown on me over the last few years as IMO he’s gotten the most out of zero talent on the O side of the ball by managing his D in the agressive way he’s done it ...

Not really a 2nd right now for me ... is a long list with many potential name on it ...

I agree with the assistants u named ... will also throw taubs name into the mix ...

Like u said ... how they get along philosophically and personality wise will play a huge part in who our next HC will be ... and as u also pointed out ... Dorsey has a TON of CONTACTS ...

j/c

I'm calling my shot now. Browns win out - Williams gets the Gig. Kitchens stays and Dan Quinn becomes a very high paid DC for us.

This is a bit out there, but what about Dirk Koetter? That offense is blistering no matter which QB they play. 1st in passing yards with a journeymen and a wild card in Winston. With this season it looks like he might be out.

Worth a look I think.

Who's to say Fredd makes it to HC status. He may well get sucked up long before a 2 or 3 year orientation.

Either you can coach and lead men or you can't. Paying college dues and pro dues isn't always necessarily a must.