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Freddie surprised them by using that WR handoff a SECOND time. It was sweet.

yeah, that was a great look

Using Landry that way makes teams have to think about something else. Kitchens is pretty innovative, IMO. If this is Haley's offense, he sure changed some things.

I was cussing Landry on the fumble, that was a rookie mistake. But his overall game was fantastic.

I agree. That is definitely something we can use now

Thought they might try it again but give it Perriman before Landry comes across.

Landry is still overpaid and I'm not even sure that it's debatable.

I wouldn't bet against Landry being here next year. I wouldn't bet on him being here in two years.

There is no way Landry is not here next year! There is no way he is not here in two seasons!

It would cost us to cut or trade him next year. After 2019-2020, we would save cap if we had to move on from him.

Given our cap situation, and future projections, I see no need to do so until maybe 2021-22.

Just to clarify, 2021-22 and 2022-23 have $750K per game bonuses, in addition to his salary, but low guarantees at that point. He would receive a $12 million salary in 2021-22, plus the workout and roster bonuses which would but his total 2021-22 income from the Browns at $12,000,000 + $12,000,000 roster bonuses ($750K per game, according to overthecap.com) + $50,000 workout bonus.

I don't see us paying any receiver $24,050,000 for a single season.

The way salaries and bonuses have been going .. by 2021-22. $24,050,000 may be considered a bargain.

Why don't we all just wait and see ?

Yeah I don't think anyone is saying Landry won't be here next year ... 2020 will be a different story maybe though

I'm right here. He had a great game, no doubt about that. It's just too bad we have to wait until Week 14 to say that. One game does not change my opinion that he is overrated and overpaid. That said, I hope we get more games like this out of him.

We will Memph ... you’ll see ...

We dont agree ... thats OK ... i’m pretty sure hes better than u think ... as always time will tell ... either that or we “assign” value much differently ...

I firmly believe next year they will be the gold standard ... wait til they have an off season together ...

And U also have to remember all the other things VICE GRIPS brings to the table ... he’s a LEADER and like Clem says he SETS THE TONE not only for the WR room but IMO the entire team ...

This team is all ready Bakes .. but Landry set the tone before it became Bakes and Landry will always be there with his “special brand” of fire ...

COMPLACENT .... ... good luck wth him around ... i’m Sure Bake would handle it in his own way ... VICE GRIPS is gonna do it in a very different way THAT EVERY TEAM NEEDS from someone in the locker room ..

He’s also a GREAT BLOCKER that leads by example starting with practice ... the PUPS could not have a better mentor ...

Here’s to hoping one day he proves his worth to U ..

Here is the biggest issue I have with Landry...

15, 7, 15, 10, 10, 10, 15, 12, 7, 5, 5, 9, 4.

These are his targets and they've decreased significantly and when he was getting 10+ targets he was doing very little with it. And as far as yesterday is concerned, that was a very high efficiency game for Landry in the passing game to produce what he did on just 4 targets with really only one big play.

3 Receptions, 57 yards, 1 TD (and yes, I know of the rushing TD too)

I don't think that is sustainable from what we've seen coupled in with the rushing plays he had. That catch he made in the endzone was fantastic but he doesn't do that unless Mayfield makes, literally, THE PERFECT THROW, to him. It was beautiful. Also, on the first TD of the game, anyone's name could have been called on that run play and it would have been a TD. It was a beautiful play call and that's why they ran it again later on with Landry, who did a very good job on it.

Now, I'll listen to the argument that Mayfield's play could elevate Landry's game. Absolutely, but I cannot simply erase the fact that most of the season Landry has done the least with the most opportunity/targets given to him. Yesterday was the exact opposite of that but, again, I'm not changing my tune just yet after one game.

here is my biggest gripe
name the other 33 wr you like better

Why does it have to be 33?

A. Brown, JuJu, A.J Green, Tyler Boyd, Josh Gordon, Julian Edelman, D. Hopkins, TY Hilton, Corey Davis, Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Tyrell Williams, Mike Williams, Emmanuel Sanders, Amari Cooper, Alshon Jeffrey, Golden Tate, Marvin Jones, Kenny Golladay, Odell Beckham, Sterling Sharpe, Allen Robinson, Taylor Gabriel, Adam Theilen, Stephon Diggs, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, DJ Moore, Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods, Doug Baldwin, Marquis Goodwin.....

How many is that?

Ironically, our wins have increased as Landry's targets have decreased. I doubt that's a coincidence.

I get that people like him and I don't dislike him. The problem is that there are better and cheaper options available.

There’s no way I’d take even HALF the players on that list over Jarvis. And even the others are debatable.

There are easily 20. I think others are debateable based on youth and upside, but I'd take them and their current standing over Jarvis and his production. And that alone would make him overrated/overpaid based on where people value him and what he is getting paid.

Glass half full/half empty.

Is he getting fewer targets because he's not worthy, or is it because others have stepped up..Njoku, Higgins, Chubb, Johnson etc....

I don't believe that you can measure his impact on this team just in terms of targets and catches....

He brings a fire that I'm glad is here. I don't know how to measure that....

Worth every penny and one of the best FA pick ups by Dorsey.

Almost makes you think that Dorsey knows what he's doing doesn't it.

Landry wasn't a FA pickup.

Based on your list that includes some very old, some very fragile, some very young and unproven WR's - I'd say you are bordering on simply hating on Landry.

Dude got a big contract to come play for the crappy 1-31 Browns. Sure we probably overpaid some. Saying more than that is just hating from my perspective.

I like him and I am glad he's on the team. His contract will look great in another 18 months time. That's how the NFL works.

I am not a huge Landry fan, but there are some HUGE stretches on that list.

J/C

Landry seems to be a less is more guy. Before I get berated....

It seems like when we are forcing landry the ball, its simply to get touches or catches. And then we are throwing him the ball on 2 and 3 yard outs with no real promise of a decent play developing. This was earlier in the year.

Lately, it seems baker is throwing the ball around more, spreading it out, which is freeing up Landry and taking some defensive pressure off of him.

Landry is a good Wr, with GREAT hands and GREAT blocking skill. But he needs to have others playing well for him to put up big numbers.

JMO.

I agree.

Basically he is not an all out #1 WR - he's not like a Mike Evans or an AJ Green who might go out and do it by themselves despite double teams or who else is on the team at WR.

He can produce like a #1 but he's going to need help.

I liked the way we used him yesterday, even without the long TD catch

Where the stretches may come from are value and youth/upside. I think there are some on there that will become excellent WRs. Still the majority of that list, IMO, I'd take over Jarvis.

Could it be argued that most of Landrys problems could have stemmed back from the Haley/Jackson virus ? I believe this viral infection caused illness in many players in the contaminated locker room.

The virus may have finally ran it's course and has now passed through his blood system into the porcelain pot where it deservedly belongs.

One thing I respect most of Landry is his support for Baker and his teammates. I don't recall hearing him complain about the amount of targets he was getting.

I enjoy his play and enjoy seeing all the Receivers being apart of the Offense. 4-5 good receivers spreading out on the field for Baker to throw at is fun. Not always knowing where he's going to go to.

Landry might be a big part in the locker room and practice field for the young guys. That in it's self is a good thing. If he only makes one or two catches and one of them is for a TD to help win a game then I'm cool with that.

At this point I can't say what his value is in terms of money or putting him as a number 1 or 2.. I can say I value him as a good teammate when this young team needs it.

I really really hope we win the next 3 games.

My take on JL, solid WR, good teammate, good FA pick up that I'd like to see on the Browns for a while. He may not be a #1 but a plus for our team.

One thing that isn't taken into account by the stats is his leadership, work ethic and culture changing attitude. I truly believe that he is one of the driving forces behind the change in mentality of this team from previous year.

And giving a rookie Qb a dependable veteran that he can count on, someone who will be where he is supposed to be, when he is supposed to be there is of tremendous value.

For our team this year, I most definitely take him over Josh Gordon. Josh is a more talented Wr but his attitude was one of the things keeping the Browns down. Our QB never knew what route he was going to run, And he clearly perpetuated the poor work ethic, just pay me for showing up attitude that was contributing to keeping us a terrible team.

If all u want to look at is the lure numbers ... we assign value different ...

No real sense in continuing the debate .... to me ... there’s reasons for the decline in targets over the last 4 games or so ... and THERE GOOD REASONS ...

I also think there were factors why earlier in the year his target/production ratio was HORRIBLE that had zero to do with VICE GRIPS ...

- Hue/Haley were a diseaster leads the many non Landry issues that plagued the entire O ...

- TT was horrible ... looking back now ... how much of it was him .. i watched him in Buffalo for 3 years and knew who he was ... never seen him play that bad that consistently ...

- Bake has gotten better every game ... this goes to the chemistry i speak of ... i mentioned it at length in the DFS thread ... its also why things will get better next year ...

The intangibles don’t show up in the numbers ...

I may come back and break your list down later ... not sure cause were simply not gonna agree on some of them so it will be fruitless ...

Looks like we simply assign value different ...

Sorry Gabriel is not a number one buy any measurements
And over the last 4years Landry is a better wr than green
Same thing with schuster

Ju-Ju is only a 2nd year pro, but I would take Ju Ju over Landry.

he has potential to be a true #1, and seems to have changed more games this year with a big play than even AB has. He is a great talent and we will hate playing against him for a long time.

He produced in Miami with a weak armed bum and nothing around him ...

Wait til u see what he and Bake can do with an offseason .... you’ll see ...

Hes not a true #1 ... he is however a PLAYMAKER and would be the #1 on more teams than not ... there’s not 16 WR’s in the NFL better than vice grips ...

I think this WR room as is is better than we think ... so far i been dead nuts wrong on Perriman .. were up to about 12 or 13 straight w/o a drop ... i mentioned last week he could be the deep threat ... right on cue and right out of the gate ... one of our first two or three plays ... and that 3rd down catch he made near our goal line was a good catch in traffick and it was a HUGE ONE ...

Callaway has a shot ... he’ll at least be a big play roll specialist ... cant wait to see what we have in Willies ...

IF WE go out and drat a true #1 .. thats fine by me ... LOVE to have the argument as to why Landry’s numbers went up as i’m Sure all of u would ...

Ok. You can have Landry. I'll take Green.

JuJu is one that makes me think ... he’s REAL GOOD ... I HATE that I LOVE watching him play ... *L* ...

That’d be a tough one for me ... he’s a really good athelete ... i’d have to think on that one ...

I can only imagine the numbers VICE GRIPS would it up in an O with AB and Ben ...

One I would take for sure off Memph’s list is Kenny Golladay ... that DUDE is gonna be up there with Hop and AB and Julio in a few years .... well he needs an OL that can block and a QB with the sense to throw it to him ...

Oh buy the way how did green do in the first match up I forget

Ahh yes,, you are correct, my mistake, we traded for him... Even smarter

Schuster only had 50 receptions. Last year while playing Le’Veon Bell,Brown, and Big Ben
Do you want to put him on the browns with Kiser throwing to him and hue calling the plays

really? Bro watch the kid play.

FYI 50 receptions playing 2nd fiddle to a guy that had 100+ and RB that had over 300 touches, that's #1 material my friend. Not to mention, he has the chance to take the ball to the house every single time he touches the ball.

Your wrong.

FYI its KIZER not Kiser.