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Russia sends 2 nuclear-capable bombers to Venezuela

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, ASSOCIATED PRESS
MOSCOW — Dec 10, 2018, 3:46 PM ET


Two Russian nuclear-capable strategic bombers arrived in Venezuela on Monday, a deployment that comes amid soaring Russia-U.S. tensions.

Russia's Defense Ministry said a pair Tu-160 bombers landed at Maiquetia airport outside Caracas on Monday following a 10,000-kilometer (6,200-mile) flight. It didn't say if the bombers were carrying any weapons and didn't say how long they will stay in Venezuela.

The ministry said the bombers were shadowed by Norwegian F-18 fighter jets during part of their flight. It added that a heavy-lift An-124 Ruslan cargo plane and an Il-62 passenger plane accompanied the bombers to Maiquetia.



The Tu-160 is capable of carrying conventional or nuclear-tipped cruise missiles with a range of 5,500 kilometers (3,410 miles). Such bombers took part in Russia's campaign in Syria, where they launched conventionally-armed Kh-101 cruise missiles for the first time in combat.

Code-named Blackjack by NATO, the massive warplane is capable of flying at a speed twice exceeding the speed of sound. Russia has upgraded its Tu-160 fleet with new weapons and electronics and plans to produce a modernized version of the bomber.

The bombers' deployment follows Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro's visit to Moscow last week in a bid to shore up political and economic assistance even as his country has been struggling to pay billions of dollars owed to Russia.

Russia is a major political ally of Venezuela, which has become increasingly isolated in the world under growing sanctions led by the U.S. and the European Union, which accuse Maduro of undermining democratic institutions to hold onto power, while overseeing an economic and political crisis that is worse than the Great Depression.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said at last week's meeting with his Venezuelan counterpart Vladimir Padrino Lopez that Russia would continue to send its military aircraft and warships to visit Venezuela as part of bilateral military cooperation.

Russia sent its Tu-160 strategic bombers and a missile cruiser to visit Venezuela in 2008 amid tensions with the U.S. after Russia's brief war with Georgia. A pair of Tu-160s also visited Venezuela in 2013.

Russia-U.S. relations are currently at post-Cold War lows over Ukraine, the war in Syria and allegations of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election. Russia has bristled at U.S. and other NATO allies deploying their troops and weapons near its borders.

Asked about the Russian bombers, Pentagon spokesman Col. Rob Manning said he had no specific information about the deployment.

However, Manning cited the humanitarian assistance provided in Central and South American by a U.S. Navy hospital ship, the USNS Comfort, in the past eight weeks. Numerous Venezuelan migrants were among the people who received medical and dental treatment.

"Contrast this with Russia, whose approach to the man-made disaster in Venezuela is to send bomber aircraft instead of humanitarian assistance," Manning said. link

Can't say I'm too worried.

I'm sure we'll be keeping them under heavy surveillance and if need be we can scramble some F-22's and meet them before they ever reach anywhere near our (or Puerto Rico's) shore


EDIT: I imagine Russia has ICBM's just like we do. So I guess it's a moot point either way

That's never going to happen Mac. Not that they won't challenge us or keep us in check, but they will never dominate our Military.

Now if Trump or another President were a traitor in the truest sense of the word, you might have cause for alarm but I don't see it.

Hmm.....

Don't we have stuff aimed at them?

Remember the Cuban missile crisis?

To militarily dominate us? Are they capable?

Russia, pfft.

What do they have that can bother us?

HooRah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5-dkvfJfWI

I can answer all of my questions. Just as you can.

Yes
Yes
No.


Now you try.

I think anytime anyone is sharing nukes we need to be concerned.

Hmm.....

Don't we have stuff aimed at them?

Yep Arch, we have stuff aimed at them just as they have stuff aimed at the us. The "MAD Doctrine"...



Remember the Cuban missile crisis?

Yep, I "do remember" the Cuban missile crisis..do you?

arch, when do you expect Trump challenge Putin's move to base their nuclear fighters in Venezuela?



To militarily dominate us? Are they capable? [/quote]

arch...remember, we are not talking about a conflict between ground forces. Russia's ability to dominate the USA in a nuclear war would depend on the effectiveness of Russia's first strike vs the USA's response to a Russian first strike (or vise versa).

Since there has never been a nuclear war, all involved will be crossing their fingers hoping their weapons perform as predicted.

One factor that concerns me is the reliance of computers and how vulnerable they might be to being "hacked". All it would take is altering the launch code by one letter or digit and our strike force could be grounded.

No doubt, Russia would do anything to infiltrate our command and control system. We have already witnessed how much Russia relies on their ability to hack computer systems.

I will say it again, EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT RUSSIAN JETS BASED IN VENEZUELA !!!

When will Trump confront Putin about basing their jets in Venezuela?...or has Trump been compromised?

LMAO. What do they have that can hurt the USA?

A lot more than Sadam ever had. That seemed a massive problem.

A lot more than Kim Jung-Un. That seemed a massive problem.

A lot more than Iran/Iraq and any other non friendly far east country. That was always a problem.

What - now that it's Putin who owns Trump, so much so that Trump has to cow-tow to Putin when they meet and arrange for meetings without anyone else present to hear what's said ...... now it's ok and we blow it off like they don't have anything to "bother us" !!!

LMAO - you can't make up some of the enabling and feeble things people are willing to say to protect Trump!

I'm more concerned about Putin who is an agent of De-stabilization and Chaos putting pieces in place.

Then seeing Trump stooges act like it doesn't matter because the US has a big military and suggesting Russian nukes can't "bother us" ... Like so many things about Trump, if the boot was on the other foot with Obama they would have gone out of their freaking minds.

While we should always be concerned, we also have to take into account that we have bases and nuclear capabilities all over the world.


We can't keep living by the motto "Do as I say, not as I do?", and not expect consequences, or push-back.

I am sure you know more about military actions than Secretary of Defense - the great Gen. Mad Dog Mattis.

Settle down. Just like NK when you guys screamed nuclear war, it will be all fine or dandy. sometimes its just fine, sometimes its just dandy, but usually its one or the other. Have a valium.

Forgot to use purple which some on here require. Watch the video and you will see what Russia has to bother us with.

j\c

With all that extra URANIUM sent there by the last ADMIN. they probably have a few extra nukes to spare to arm our enemies ......and the progressives here are calling Trump the colluder SMFH

Putin moved those bombers down there while our President is distracted by having to defend against 85 Democrat investigations and the false accusations of Collusion and Obstruction.

Next, our President is distracted with trying to find people willing to put up with false accusations, witch hunts, and Democrat lynch mobs to fill positions in his cabinet.

Way to go guys. You have done more damage to America than Putin could ever do.

Shame!

Not disagreeing with the need for concern but Sadam and Kim were gassing their own people and executing dissidents. Not exact apples to apples.

You can add the elite press in the equation also

Sorry but today he is distracted with trying to keep the Democrats from throwing open our southern border to the invading hoards.

Maybe he will have time tomorrow to address your concerns.

No doubt genocide was going on in Iraq - and Nth Korea is a dictator state. But Putin has been branded globally as a threat to world peace and is actively trying to undermine NATO and individual countries .... as a threat to the USA, Russia is covertly much ore of a threat to the USA than Iraq or North Korea could be in 100 years.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-c...-world-security

https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/75608

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/25/putin-new-russian-empire-ukraine

If Trump can't do his job because the opposition party is doing it's job and opposing ... then clearly he is limited and unworthy of the position.

C'mon - you can do better.

Glad there was sarcasm in the previous comment.... I don't ever watch youtube posts from you or Vambo, that's always a waste of time which I never get back.

j/c

Doing there JOB watta joke ,they are doing their job by covering up for Hillary and the deep state of the last bunch and its SAD

Everyone is out to get us!

The GOP appointed special counsel. That damned Republican Mueller. The FBI. The CIA. The Justice Department. I mean anyone and everyone that stands for law and order are crooked! The press. The liberals. It's a nationwide conspiracy I tell ya!

The ravings of the lunatic mind......

Try some different news sources dude.

Yes, and while they all Collude to distract our President, Macron of France is distracted with rioting and England's May is distracted with the fight over Brexit.

Without the full attention of the US and our Allies, Putin is having his day.

Like the ones that show pictures of children in cages under obamas watch and lying that Trump is at fault ,you mean those news outlets pfffft

Anywhere and any source would obviously elevate your knowledge level. So yes, even news sources that made a mistake or two. Better than the lies you are being spoon fed at the moment.

Trump isn't dealing with anything that he himself has not made for himself.

Whether it's because he employed the wrong people - whether it's because he's simply a pathological liar and didn't think anyone would pay attention when he lied, and lied and lied and lied then lied some more ... I guess you think as POTUS he should be able to crap over the media, the people and lie to everyone every day and not be held accountable? His term has been a walk in the park compared to what Obama dealt with. Wait until Trump doesn't hold all 3 branches of government is before you start claiming he is distracted!

Watta off-the-wall reply please you should get a life other than living on a message board 24-7 and trolling people LMAO or get a job.


Im done with this matter

Article 1: I am certain Russia wants to interfere with elections. We have also done the same for many decades.

#2

Oh lord:



But article 2 seems to suggest that Russia is not Europes biggest threat and that in fact Europe is their own biggest threat unless I am reading it wrong.


#3, I definitely think article 3 is what you were looking for. At the end of the day Europe isn't doing a damn thing and they know it. It may not be fair, but that is their own damn fault for allowing themselves to become so weak. People are tired of being the "good cop" in America. They have allowed us to carry their military load via NATO for way too long and Trump is scaring them by his rhetoric around NATO.


Russia is a poor country with weak infrastructure, they don't want anything to do with a war with the US.



Now, I am not saying we should not do nothing about this. The question becomes, from a president that I voted for on the basis of "America first" anti intervention.....do we stick to that plan that most of the country agrees with (see below) or is it "here we go again" meddling with Russia because we think Putin is dangerous. Simply put MORE sanctions on a increasingly desperate country?

Again, maybe he crosses some line that forces our hand. I don't want more military intervention and I think most Americans agree.






https://www.thenation.com/article/new-po...-interventions/

Appreciate you taking the time to read and form an opinion.

But the purpose was not to say no-one else is without blame - but simply to say Putin is extremely dangerous.

And the fact that his country is so poor - and Putin so smart - he has indeed waged a covert war on stability in the world... and rather than dismiss him as irrelevant or less of a threat because of the strength of his economy or military .... I think it's time to stop him from his continued erosion of stability. His goal is to have other countries and economies be at odds with each other and spend money countering the problems he creates - while spending the minimum himself to create the issues.

Despite what the USA might want to think - the world does not want the US to be the self appointed police of the globe. And I'm all for less military intervention from the US..... there is a long and storied history of US intervention that comes back to bite the US and the world on the butt decades later. Most recently the rest of the world told the US that Sadam did not have WoMD - they knew.... and the intervention against Sadam was not about WoMD but about US policy and trying to control an uncontrollable region. We can discuss Sadam being a POS and deserving of being eliminated ...

Anyway. Putin seems to own Trump, the US is weaker with Trump in there trying to deal with Putin and who knows whether this move with Venezuela will ever mean much - but I know Trump is too weak to do or say much about it. And that's bad for the USA at the end of the day.

You see weak and maybe that's true, but it's easily hidden by the fact that a large part of his campaign was to stay out of this crap. So is he weak or delivering on his campaign promises?

The instant he wants to put feet on the ground he is alienating his base to appease a base that absolutely detests him and will still detest him after he does so. Lose Lose from my seat.

Trump is absolutely weak with his dealings with Russia and Putin.

When the entire US intelligence community says "IT'S THE RUSSIANS" and then POTUS goes out and says "We don't know, maybe it is maybe it isn't, it might be China, it could be anyone. I spoke to Putin and he says it wan't them ...." - Yeah, that is weak.

Actually our allies around the globe also said "IT's THE RUSSIANS" also ....