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Can you provide the transcript for that? Thanks.

I am extremely surprised that you disagreed w/me and supported the dude who made crap up.

So, Hue is class and Baker's an ass. WTF team do you root for?

I'm cool w/opinions. I express them all the time and guys like you tear me a new [censored] about them.

However, I don't like guys who try and deceive. Haus is one of them.

You can rip me until the cows come home, Cle. I don't care. I spoke my mind and will stand by it.

I am extremely surprised that you disagreed w/me and supported the dude who made crap up.

You aren't buying it because you are biased. Baker called Hue "fake." He trashed him in the media after the first game.

I had no problem w/him not hugging Hue, but his punk-ass antics in the media and the taunting is immature. I am not surprised certain posters like that type of behavior.

I will also add that the announcer said that Hue "politely declined" to comment on Baker's actions and comments when they asked him about it.

Class vs Ass.

The Coaches Want Rosen at 1?, & Other Serious Browns Draft Rumblings

It was brought to my attention that someone linked to this thread from the Browns Reddit, and that a user on this site (FootballsFuture Forums) by the name of Buno67 was commenting in the Reddit thread as if I'm a poster that just likes to make stuff up, "always making predictions by throwing [stuff] at a wall and bragging when some of it comes true." That's simply just not true at all, and while I love personally speculating about all things Browns like most of us that take the time to post on an online sports forum, there's a difference between my personal speculations and analyses (i.e., Goff will be better than Wentz, etc) which are often wrong AND the info that has been passed to me by a family member that has been in the professional football business for years. I hate going online and reading some [stuff] about the Browns and given my personal anguish and misery with this godforsaken team, I don't care to add to that tidal wave of sports BS. There have been only like 4-5 things mostly Senior Bowl nuggets and rumors from 2017 that I've posted on this forum (the old version of the website that is) that were conveyed to me by family. Of the remaining 3, 2 of them came true and 1 didn't. The 1 that come true didn't was that the Browns were supposedly seeking to trade up for Leonard Fournette. The 2 that were correct were 1: That the Bears were trying to Trade up for Trubisky with the 49ers and the Browns; And 2. That Sashi Brown met with Rick Smith at a private Wine and Cigar lounge in Indy and that the Texans and Browns will likely do a trade for the 12th pick. Those things were posted well in advance of the draft and came true. Everythng else I post is as Browns schlub trying to make sense of the craziness that is the Browns.

I also responded to Buno Below this main post titled "Response to Buno."

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***LONG POST ALERT***

I have some terrible news to inform everyone.

It looks like we really will be passing on Darnold....

THIS IS NOT SOME STUPID TROLL, or me doing the reverse psychology thing saying Baker's going first while secretly feeling giddy and knowing we're taking Darnold at 1 as a way to cope with the possibility the Browns might screw this up.

(Skip to The News below if u must)

As I've said before, my brother in law was a scout & personnel assistant exec for 11 years. I never ID'd his team when he was employed but he was canned in the mass firings when Mr. Reese and co. were fired from the Giants.

Although I'm often wrong about my own predictions, my b.o i. always cautioned me that what he'd tell me in terms of rumors has a chance of being misinformation put out by other teams to hide their true intentions. However, the vast majority of things he told me that I posted on this forum came true.

For example, for those people that actually paid attention to my posts on the old forum before last year's draft, you'd remember that based on what my b.o.i. heard at the combine I posted "the Bears will look to trade up for Trubisky with either the Browns at 1 or San Fran at 2." At the time, only 3 people responded to that post.

I also posted that "Sashi Brown was seen twice via my b.o.i.'s team spycraft department, 1st with Rick Smith of the Texans, and 2nd with Ryan Pace of the Bears at a private membership only room at a Wine & Cigar lounge in Indy" and... "Dont be surprised if we trade one of our picks to the Bears or Texans." That post received 2 responses and came true regarding the draft.

Teams have 10s and even 100s of thousands of dollar budget for their "spycraft" depts that includes things you wouldnt even believe all in order to propel the interests of their million dollar cash cows.

One of the more basic ways for teams to get inside info is to recruit disgruntled "soon to be fired" scouts and personnel staffers away from another team while they are still employed and possibly privy to strategic information. ALL teams try to do this. The best and smartest teams top execs leave scouts & even key personnel staffers in the dark on real rankings and strategy for fear of info leaking out. The elite top execs only inform the owner & a select few before the draft. Smart top execs run disinformation campaigns and put up false rankings in plain view of scouts and staffers so the disinfo will leak to teams giving them an advantage to operate under the veil of confusion.

The News: My b.o.i. told me this morning "the scuttlebut is that 6 Browns scouts & 1 personnel exec have been "respectably" flipped (i.e., they already agreed to move on to a team without breaching the trust of their former employee) due to being promised future jobs & due to being disgruntled"...However, 2 scouts and 1 personnel exec has been "unhonorably flipped" (i.e., informing on the teams draft beliefs while still employed to another team) with 1 person in particular "lacking any sort of ethics and is singing like canary so much that the team he's giving the info to is secretly laughing their [chops] off b/c they know there's no way in hell they're hiring this guy after all this."

Apparently, there is already a major rift between the offensive coaches & the top personnel execs regarding the pick at 1 and ranking the QBs. It's likely irreconcilable.

In what was a shocker to me as a "Darnold no matter" what guy Todd Haley, Ken Zampese, Hue Jackson, and Al Saunders (he's become a de facto QB scout) are united in the belief that Josh Rosen is their guy, clear cut by a wide margin. The combine interview only confirmed this and they are all in. They all agree that Sam Darnold is their number 2, but there are some disagreements between the coaches on who is 3rd as some say Baker Mayfield while others surprisingly say Lamar Jackson. All the coaches apparently have Josh Allen 5th which completely surprised me.

The only personnel execs that mostly agree with the coaches are Eliot Wolf & Andrew Berry with Wolf having Darnold as QB1 and AB having had Darnold at 1 precombine but put Rosen ahead at 1 after the interview as Darnold tanked the interview and had no presence on the white board (I'd say did Mariota or Eli have a presence? Did Favre do a great job with X&Os on the board? No... but I digress..)

The rest of the top personnel staff (John Dorsey, Scot McCloughan--yes he's a top staffer more on that in a bit, and Alonzo Highsmith) along with Paul DePodesta have Baker Mayfield as their clear cut leader by a wide margin. The personnel guys then have Josh Allen number 2! Followed by Sam Darnold at 3 and Josh Rosen at 4. Paul DePo supposedly has it Baker, Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, & Allen.

Complicating the matter is apparently Scot McCloughan has come in waving a big stick as a former GM like he's the de facto top personnel guy when John Dorsey isnt around. He pulls his "when i was GM" card out in every debate. He is not consulting with other teams as that was just a farce to buy him time to finish some past due work that he and his company owed some teams for purchasing their scouting services. He is a full time Browns employee. This has in particular caused friction with Eliot Wolf as he thought he'd have that "right hand man assistant GM" role and it seems that Scot will have a powerful permanent position after the draft unless something changes and problems can be worked out.

Right now, John Dorsey is supposedly selling Jimmy that Baker is the top prospect as identified by Analytics and Traditional Scouting methodology with Paul DePo in his corner. Dorsey and Scot were blown away by Baker's combine interview while coaches thought he was too defensive.

As a temporary compromise just to keep the peace while much draft work is still to be done, the coaches and personnel execs are now strongly discussing that they will take their number 1 player on the big board Bradley Chubb at #1 overall and their QB at 4. Which to me makes ABSOLUTELY NO [freaking] sense at all when we need a QB.....but again I digress...

Distraught on Skype I immediately asked my b.o.i. " if this was all a joke" and "how certain are you that this isnt just elegant disinformation on the Browns part"?

He told me it's absolutely not a joke and the same spycraft dept heads (some of the best in the business) that he trusted in NY all those years have the Giants new personnel staff convinced that it is real enough to the point where everyone on the Giants staff except for new GM Dave Gettleman and an assistant staffer are operating as if it's true and they'll have their pick of all the QBs at 2 or at worst Baker Mayfield will go 1.

I've jokingly been saying Baker would go 1 but secretly believed Hue and co AND Dorsey all loved Sam Darnold at 1. I never even considered the thought that Josh Rosen wouldve been the unanimous selection among the coaches.

My only hope now is that some compromise is struck and we go Chubb at 1 and Rosen makes it to 4 based on the personality thing, or Hue and the coaches win out and we take Rosen at 1 to guarantee we get our QB, or that meathead Dorsey is running the most sophisticated 4D chess misinformation game utilizing scouts, coaches, and personnel people as pawns to fool the scouting community. I'll hold my breath on the latter.

Say goodbye to Darnold for real my friends. He's the hero we deserved...I'll never stop believing that based on the tape review. It just really sucks...

I'm now going to watch Rosen again and try to 1. convince myself I like him more than Darnold and 2. Somehow the coaches desires win out...wish me luck..

Oh...P.S. I hate-love (more hate than anything) this [stuff] team with all my heart..

No, no I don't.

I rip them when they lie.

Look man. I get that you don't like me. You have made that clear for years. I'm good w/that. Have a nice night.

Yet you rip others for speaking theirs. That's what an opinion is, but you feel the need to attack others over it.

And what was Sahsi?

I root for the Browns, but I'm not the type of guy who excuses poor behavior.

I have two wonderful, productive children that have great morals and I was a teacher for decades that helped many students become great citizens and they still contact me. I'm proud of that.

That's who I am.

What's right is right and what is wrong is wrong.

Yikes...............I am being overwhelmed.

Okay guys. I am sorry for expressing my opinion. You win. Everything in life is black and white.

You win. What more do you want?

Victim? I have no ideal what you are talking about.

You guys win. I stated my opinion and several of you acted like it was not even conceivable. That's not being a victim. That's being someone who disagrees w/others.

You win. What more do you want?

I'm trying to say that Joel Bitonio is a very good LG and that him starting off at LT had zero to do w/anything. I am also trying to say that Joel Bitonio has been a good LG in more games than not throughout his career.

You got a problem w/any of that, high?

No, but do you have a link that disputes my claim?

Look man.............I get you don't like me. That's fine. But, are you really going to dispute everything I say?

There are so many lies told on here and I never see you dispute them, yet you follow me around and consistently question me.

What gives?

No, but do you have a link that disputes my claim?

Look man.............I get you don't like me. That's fine. But, are you really going to dispute everything I say?

There are so many lies told on here and I never see you dispute them, yet you follow me around and consistently question me.

What gives?

No, but do you have a link that disputes my claim?

Look man.............I get you don't like me. That's fine. But, are you really going to dispute everything I say?

There are so many lies told on here and I never see you dispute them, yet you follow me around and consistently question me.

What gives?

I think he was stating an opinion. My opinion is that the front office wanted Mayfield. It is also my opinion that Hue didn’t want Mayfield, at least at first. I have my reasons for thinking that, some based on reports I read at the time. I’m not going to get into all of that since it no longer matters. Hue is gone, Mayfield is here.

As to the garbage about Hue intentionally losing.... I don’t remember for sure who said what. I do know I made a comment about it in the game day thread where it was mentioned.


As to Hue being a class act....I don’t buy that either. He has thrown numerous players under the bus. Hue is all about promoting Hue imo. Just look at the interviews he did right after being fired. He took zero responsibility for his record. I wanted him to stay, glad now that he is gone. We are better off without him.

Dorsey had two QB's in mind with the Number 1 Pick. Baker, and Allen. This was known inside Berea I even told Ytown when we went to lunch before the draft.

I’m more of a reader than poster. You can’t be a rude jerk to people all the time and try this nice wonderful guy. You ruin every damn thread. You once pm me over my opinion. You were a vulgar childish tough internet guy. Seriously worse than anything Baker would ever do. So get off that high horse please and act like the wonderful guy you think you are.

That is a weird request, Diesel.

As much as I despise certain posters, I never want to see them suspended, never mind being banned for eternity.

It's a football message board. I think all of these suspensions are a joke and a result of small members. This isn't the garden club. It's a football message board. Good God!

Trubisky probably would have fit.

I remember you saying this before. Any idea or inside look at Hue and his preferences. When we took Kessler on the 3rd round and he said what he said, I never felt that he actually meant much by that comment other than being supportive of a rookie on his team .... But I've no real idea which QBs that we could have drafted Hue coveted ... I always got the impression we were targeting Mahomes In the early teens but got beaten to it by KC .... But any sort of inside feel or look on Hue would be interesting to know.