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That's fine by me, though I don't understand what Dorsey's relationship with McDaniel's former agent has to do with anything.

So John Dorsey doesn't get along with Bob LaMonte? This makes me happy. LaMonte was/is Holmgren’s agent which led to Pat Shurmur and Tom Heckert and a coaching staff and front office filled with his clients. I’d prefer to not have an agent running our team.

That if it's not a good relationship, they won't be helping each other out. Plus, McDaniels will land a gig. He doesn't need Dorsey to do it for him.

I'll admit that Kitchens gives me pause. He's done some good things... but is this just an OC playing to his players strengths?


It's in our best interest to get the best coach. And I still don't think Dorsey thinks Williams and Kitchens are the hidden gem on his list... This was bound to happen, however, by firing Hue mid-season.


I'm not going to be upset if we keep Williams and Kitchens. I'm not going to be upset if one or both are let go... We have the quarterback, pair him with the best coach.

I think the interpretation is that he has a good relationship with Lamonte. I don't know who else Lamonte represents, but I'm sure it's more important than breaking that relationship for McDaniels… Dorsey is said to be well respected by agents and this is probably why... McDaniels is out.

You say that as if it is the norm? I find that concept obvious and simple but frequently ignored by most. And not just recent Browns coached but throughout the NFL

Sorry, am I thick? How would hiring McDaniels help his former agent out?

How would that be a negative? When I think of not doing that I think of Kizer, Kessler, Tyrod, and Baker at the start of his career. In other words, ineffective.

So not hiring his client helps him how?

I'll take it a step further. Having the ability to adapt your system to your players is a strength in a coach.

I have read several times this season that Keenum's strength is running play action. Denver hardly runs play action...

It's not a negative.

It's not his client...

Got it. What I said above is now the opposite.

Here is LaMonte’s client list:

http://www.psr-inc.net/clients.html

Not sure what you were driving at then.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Kitchens... I would think a coach should play to his players strengths or you're doing it wrong. The point was is he either a genius or should any coach we bring in be able to play to their player's strengths as Kitchens obviously has done.

Gotcha. I wonder how Dorsey is viewing this. Does this make his job harder, or has he stumbled upon a winning combination? The thing is, they seem to be improving every week. That's hard to ignore. So while it may be playing to his players strengths, Kitchens is also developing the players, and putting them in positions to succeed no matter who they go up against, so he seems to be effectively scheming as well.

Lamonte terminated his dealings with McDaniels over the situation with Indianapolis. I guess the thought is that Dorsey would not sour his relationship with Lamonte by hiring McDaniels. Not sure how this pertains to Riley though. I just hope the Dorsey Lamonte relationship does not sway the decision the other way ( see Mike Holmgren ). Because there are some scary names on that list.

I agree...

Something that is lost in all this is if we retain Williams as HC, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Kitchens stays. And I am not going to condone any GM to force a coach on a head coach. Who is to say if Williams is hired he doesn't have a list of guys he thinks could be the answer as offensive coordinator?

Everyone likes to do things their way. If Dorsey likes Kitchens, I think it makes sense if he turns to Arians, who I'm indifferent to. I think Arians would naturally keep Kitchens because the two have worked before. I wouldn't put any Kitchens becoming the next HC contingency plan in effect.


I think there's something to be said that Arians wants to be here... I think he also knows that we would be prime for a super bowl run or 2 within the next 3 years. It's still a possibility, and I'm not pimping Arians, but the further we go, the more likely I believe it could happen...

1. I think Arians enjoyed his time coaching in Cleveland
2. I think Arians is still p'od about not being the HC for Pitts and has it against them - what better way to stick it to them
3. I think Arians maybe the best play for us.

#HintHint

Oh! Now I get it.

You're right about the scary has-been list. And think for a minute about the deal he got Gruden. We don't need any part of any of that.

Of course you're right about Williams possibly wanting his own guy, but I'd personally think retaining GW as HC would be conditional on keeping everything in place, specifically Kitchens.

Maybe throw Gregg a bone and let him hire a new ST coach and promote his son to DC.

… at Arians age he needs to transfer to being the CEO type coach (seems he is embracing that). I think his "baller / Kangol hat" personality is prefect for Baker.

Freddie isn't getting anything other than an OC job if he leaves
Williams is blackballed (despite his claim of all the HC offers)

my fever dream has us just adding Bruce as HC :-)

If Ariens is hired, I think the whole team should wear them on road games. Talk about swagger.

If he's keeping Kitchens (and lets Kitchens call plays), I'm good with this.

I just want to keep a 4-3 Defense as well.


That'd be a pipe dream for me. Arians as HC, Kitchens as OC, and one of those Seahawks DCs as our DC (Gus Bradley or Dan Quinn). They ran defenses that I liked, and i think we'd transition well to.

We'd keep Kitchens.

And I like Arians. He's a bit old, but he's got unfinished business here

#CaptainSubtle

J/C - I like what I’ve seen out of Williams and Kitchens but we have such a low bar it could be Stockholm Syndrome. I kid there - just wanted to get that in - I’d really like to keep both on if we continue to progress as we have. Other than that all I ask -

- OC, HC does a “Kitchens” and plays to Baker’s strengths. Involves him. Doesn’t dictate. I think Mayfield thrives in that and GW and FK have given him that environment.
- Stick to a 4-3. Anyone who wants to play Garrett as an OLB or a 5 tech end takes a walk.

If Bruce Arians is healthy, then he is my clear choice for head coach and second place is not close. Keeping Kitchens is key and Arians staff will be great. He has been around the league forever and would probably have his pick of who he wants.

Ok. I'm sold. Sign me up.

You keep mentioning Bradley and Quinn.

Bradley is DC for San Diego and Quinn is HC of Atlanta. Why in tarnation would they leave their current employment to become DC for Cleveland. You assuming Quinn is getting the axe and/or Bradley wants to make a lateral move from a Playoff contender to an up and coming team. Inquiring minds want to know.

Quinns getting fired bro ... as he should unless Blank is dumber than i think ...

What he allowed Sark to do to that Offense is CRIMINAL ....

The sample size it what it is. There is no way for the current coaching staff to make it more.

Hue got 40 games to provide his continuity. After 2 seasos we won .50 games a season, yet people wanted more.


Now we are turned 180degrees from that and people aren't sure.


Aren't sure of what is my question?


I find it funny people are talking about winning out for the coaches to keep their jobs, but after a winless and 1 win season people were saying we needed a larger sample size for continuity's sake.


Sorry, I don't get it. I like what I am seeing and want to maintain some continuity.

For the most part, the assistant coaches on this team under Hue weren't the problem. It's now very clear to all who couldn't see it before who had the problem.

Robert Griffin. Or Kevin Love. One of those two for sure.

You are getting close.

How can I be "getting close" when those are the only two options?

Wait a second. . .

It was Joe Thomas' fault all along. Crap.

Sashi....?

Shut your filthy mouth.

(The above is a joke, please don't suspend me.)

It's Joe Thomas' fault.