DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Head Coach Search Part IV

What more needs to be seen? The players are responding to this coaching staff with a level of football play we've not seen here in quite some time. They are nailing the audition. We have what we need.

To take this a step further:

John Dorsey is a client of Bob Lamonte.

Which is why Dorsey would probably frown on hiring McDaniels given the way he handled the Indy job and LaMonte dropping McDaniels as a client.

The sample size is small, even though it is what it is. If we lose out, no way does GW get the job, no matter how much you want continuity now. You seem to have this need to say "I told you so" without actually saying it. So why don't you just say it, get it out of your system, and then move the f on?

I think that reply was a little harsh. JMO though.

I feel we need to look at the team - what it WAS, and what it IS.

Sure, the last 3 games matter, no doubt. I'm glad I'm not in the position to decide who the coach/coaches will be going forward.


BUt dang, if something is working, why blow it up with something new?

With Hue I felt no matter how good we play he will find a way to lose. With Williams as Hc n Freddie OC I feel unless we are just out manned we are going to win.

I am excited for Sunday. I wonder if Jimmy and Dee are feeling it too.

Is he? I am only asking because I checked to see if Dorsey was a client of Lamonte. I did not see his name but I may have missed it. I just have a fear we end up with Ben Macadoo (sp?).

He’s not on the list.

McAdoo would be the ultimate craptastic choice. Maybe moreso than Jeff Fisher.

Possibly. I'm just sick of the constant sniping. Hue's in the rearview. We're here now. But it's like calling for Hue's head then getting it somehow make him superior to those who wanted some semblance of continuity. Hell, I'm the first to admit he was toxic and that we're much better off now, but what's the point of rehashing it over and over and over?

I'd like to keep both the offensive & defensive systems in place, but if they don't keep winning, they'll likely be bounced. So they need to keep winning. Which is what we all want. It may not be fair but they were halfway out the door the minute they got the job so it's imperative for them to keep performing at a high level.

JMHO

Ugh, you're right. I thought Bradley was unemployed. I was wrong.




Well, Dan Quinn it is! I expect him to be fired at the end of the season like all the rumors say.

Quinn gets fired, and he can come right over here and work for us.



See, I feel that way because of Baker. With Baker I feel like we've always got a good shot.

I'm certainly on the Mayfield train. Now, in all fairness, Kitchens has done a good job calling plays to his strengths.

But Mayfield has made strides regularly every week in this league. I think we've got a good one. And i think he'll only get better

More importantly, is Dorsey feeling it? Or does he feel the need to put his stamp on the team by hiring his own coach even more? If GW & Freddie are the magic combination we've been missing, then I want to keep it in place. But I'll feel better about taking a stand on it if we win a couple more. So far, we've only beaten mediocre teams, which is fine because we're definitely not elite yet. And I also feel like we're never out of it now, something I didn't feel before. And while hope is important, I want to see consistency over these last few games.

We were heavily connected to Macadoo for our coordinator job this past offseason.

If Dorsey is not repped by Lamonte, he is certainly good friends with him. Most of the guys that were around the Packers during the Farve/Holmgren era know him extremely well and he reps a lot of those guys.

This is a very good post. I guess I'd agree (except that i don't want Gregg Williams as our Head Coach, but that's been beaten like a dead horse).

I'll accept it either way.

But I do agree. Dorsey's done a very good job so far. He gave us Mayfield, Ward, and Chubb. He brought Demarius Randall. He figured out our tackle situation through FA and an UDFA.


I am very happy with the guy. I trust he'll do a good job giving the Haslams a (or a few) good candidates to choose from.

Got to be honest...I am not overly worried about who it is going to be...I do have a level of trust in Dorsey.

I have my 2 cents.

I do like the idea of Arians, because he isn't going to shake everything to pieces.

Not sure I am a fan of McCarthy...

And while Riley is intriguing...not so sure I want to be picking from the College Ranks.

I was never big on De Filipo...and I think things have cooled on him.

But I am also pretty ok with keeping Williams. I would like for him to bring in a DC that he can work with. With similar philosophies on D...I am not so sure his son is truly ready for that.

But in the end...my interest is just finding out who it is rather than worrying about who it is...LOL....what a change...LOL

Wait, is that a bad thing?

Hopefully it is Dorsey presenting Haslam with a singular best option and Haslam selects Dorsey's recommendation. If there is multiple people with input on the situation then I get nervous.

Pretty sure Dorsey will be the one making the selection. Can't imagine it being anyone else.

I trust in Dorsey. I'm confident that he is the one making the decision, despite Mac's conviction otherwise.

That said, I see 4 likely scenarios.

1) He sticks with GW. I kinda think this is the least likely of the 4, but GW is making a good case and has forced his way into the conversation.

2) He hires Arians. I'm pretty sure Bruce wasn't even on his short list until he very publicly threw his hat in the ring. It makes a lot of sense, but because of Arians' age and health history, seems like a short term answer. Yes, BA can install his successor, but there's no guarantee his successor will work out and is therefor a bit of a risky option.

3) Lincoln Riley seems like the sexy pick. He is a hot commodity, has a history with Baker, and looks like a guy who can replicate Sean McVay's success. Two things working against this. First, being the head of a top college program is kinda like being a king. In many ways, moving to the NFL would be a step down. Second, there is a history of successful college coaches failing in the NFL, even Nick Saban, arguably the college HC GOAT, was not successful as an NFL HC

4) Dave Toub has worked with Dorsey in KC and is regarded by many as the most ready of the NFL coaches/coordinators for the step up to HC. I suspect that when Dorsey took the Cleveland job, Toub was at the top of his short list. Any other HC candidate would have to convince Dorsey that he's a better option than Toub.

There are certainly other people who will be, and should be considered, but those are the 4 most likely in my mind.

Mac is right that it will be the Haslam making the hire not dorsey

Cool story bro, do you have a link for that information? Or is just a straight out lie or ASSumption?

Link?

I guess as the owner it could be said that Haslam makes all the hires as he probably has final signature on all contracts. I don't know if that is the case for certain.

[color:#FFFFCC][color:#FFFFCC]will...first, "I DON'T LIE"...got it?

Your asking me to do something you could do on your own..fact check.

The fact that you would rather insult me and question the information I posted tells me that you are just too lazy to do the fact checking to educate yourself on this subject...

...I could spoon feed you and do the fact checking for you..but I won't...do it yourself.[/color]

You mean like this one?

Dorsey picks the next head coach

First off, you have been on this board long enough to know that if you post something stating a "FACT" or if you post something as you did (you didn't say IMO or my thought is - you posted it as FACT) then you are to supply a link to your information.

I am questioning the information you presented as a FACT yes, because you did not do your job as poster by providing the link which you are required to do so when presenting something as such.

I didn't make the claim that Dorsey was not the one making the selection, sir - you did. Its your responsibility to prove your claim, not mine.

Either prove your claim, or take the L you deserve.

Wellllll, would you look at that!

One thing to consider is of the HC jobs available Green Bay may be the most attractive. It's a possibility that our choice may choose GB.

They directed Dorsey to hire the next coach?


Not sure what you're getting at here.

OMG

Bro, admit you are wrong. I read it, you obviously did not. Now either post your link backing up what you said, or admit its ONLY your opinion on the matter you are either making something up with no information, or flat out lying. Which is it?

Browns Dorsey to lead charge

Heres another link that I found interesting with the quote from the article...



Link


Who's being lazy?

I really don't think Dorsey is going to bring Williams back, now that being said if he wins out there may be no alternative but to do just that. I have come around to the thought of Williams returning, if that is what it takes to keep Kitchins, but there is another route to keeping Kitchins and that is by hiring Bruce Arians, now if that were to happen I hope it is with the thought of mentoring Kitchins to be our next HC after a couple years ...

This is my hope as well. I want Arians/Kitchens over Gregg/Kitchens, but either scenario as long as Kitchens is here I am ok with.

Actually, I am ok withever John decides to do. He has earned our trust for this process and I expect him to do his due diligence. If he sees fit to go in another direction, so be it.

Haslam said Dorsey will be leading the search. He has never said Dorsey will make the hire. Jimmy hired every single coach since he arrived, I have not seen a single quote saying he won't this time.

Instead of a search firm, this time he is letting Dorsey do the searching and jimmy and Dorsey will interview the candidates. At no time has he said anything about who is making the final call. Based on history, it will be jimmy and Dee.

I think, technically, you are more correct than not... in that Haslam is the one paying everyone. I think you are alluding (intentionally or unintentionally) to an interesting discussion regarding the reporting structure once said head coach is found by Dorsey (since it's been established that he is leading the search and heading the selection. I doubt Dorsey will end up getting someone that Haslam (for whatever reason) would object to... but Dorsey, for all intents and purposes, is making the hire. Haslam just has to sign on a dotted line somewhere, as he's paying the bills.

In short, it's been established that Dorsey is responsible for finding our next head coach. What might be interesting is the reporting structure once said coach is brought into the building.

Not a single one of us has ANY CLUE how this is gonna break down ...

NONE ... ya’all wanna make ASSumptions off what boils down to VAGUE STATMENETS ...

All we know so far is that King John is gonna be the tip of the spear initially .. we have NO CLUE how this will break down .. NONE ...

Will the THIEF and misses THIEF simply ‘sign off” on thehire .. will they be in on and play an active roll in the interviews ..

NONE OF U HAVE A CLUE ...

Not a single solitary one of us ...

This is true. I mean, look at the draft. Until the end, most all of us thought it would be Darnold. Started with Rosen then went to Darnold. And then there was the Josh Allen Panic.


I think only like two guys on here were right when they were saying Definitely Going to Be Mayfield. At least only two that i can remember. Device and Eotab.

EDIT: Truth is, the media doesn't know anything. We don't know anything. Dorsey plays his cards close to his chest. Just seen it from the draft, we had no clue at all. Friend Of Dorsey and the Media had us spinning in circles, and they really didn't know anything

Your right, I have only posted articles saying that John is heading the search, yet others are posting "facts" with no links stating Jimmy is going to hire the coach.

There was once a time on this board where post stated as FACTUAL information had to be presented with a link. Those were better times.