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Lets just say no. While he’s on his, I will only work for the Browns, hire me tour, I get the feeling this guy is just looking for his retirement check.

I can appreciate and tend to agree with your position since you explained it in those terms. Your posts weren't coming across that way but message board posts can sometimes skew meaning or intent.

I still believe GW had almost no chance of getting the permanent job when he was made interim coach, but feel winning has changed that, and winning out or winning 2 of the next three would have to put him at the top of the list. Particularly since winning out would put us in playoff contention and beating the Ravens would mean beating a division rival in playoff contention. It would be very difficult to let him go if that happened, IMO.

Of course the Haslams will have input into the process, it would be silty to think otherwise. Interesting scenario: We win out, Haslams want to keep status quo, Dorsey wants to bring in someone new, I'd think we'd keep status quo. At least for a year. But who knows? Just a thought.

I think he wants to beat the Steelers twice a year and win a championship. I don't think he stands much of a chance of actually getting the job.

my 2 cents:

Methinks Dave Toub is JD's #1 choice. Could convince him to keep GW and FK and KZ for offense and defense continuity, plus he a special team guru - bye bye Amos.

McCarthy going take year off or take CAR or ATL jobs if they become available.

Look for GB to hire college coach - why they jettisoned mccarthy during the season. My guess - Jed Tedford.

I agree. I don't think he meddles any more than any other owner.

I was talking about that last night with a friend. If we go with GW that doesn't mean we go with him forever...rolling with it another year would be ok by me. Hot HC candidates will arise in Jan 2020 just like in any other January.

I expect that level of ——— from the poster u responded to ... not ready to get suspended just quite yet so i’ll Let u fill in the blank ... *L* ...

How can u say that with a straight face? ...

U have to IGNORE A FEW MOUNTAINS of evidence ...

Man ... when u like someone ... u BECOME COMPLETELY BLIND to who they are ...

Its literally shocking to me U could say this ... we disagree on a lot but your a smart guy ... a real smart guy .... this makes me wonder how such a smart man could just ignore so much to draw that conclusion ...

Are u kidding me ... the math here is ...

0 + 0 = 3 billion 63 ...

WOW .. i’m An old man and don’t shock easily ...

U at Swishes house partaking all ready this morning ... *L* ... he said he’s free for the day and all ready started drinking ... u know what ... you must still be up from last nights binge to make a post like that ... glad we got that cleared up ...

It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect playoff contention next season. That would be the bar, IMO, regardless of who coaches. We'll just have to wait and see who's sitting in the hot seat. If GW gets the job and we make the playoffs next year, pay the man.

Let's not get Elon Musk involved in all of this.

If Greg and Freddie can win out, I would love to keep them.

I think John Dorsey has other ideas. We all know Jimmy always has other ideas.

JMHO.

You forgot about this guy>>>>>>>> https://www.wbir.com/img/resize/content....&height=422

Isn't this what we've been told?

1. Dorsey conducts the search and interviews. If the Haslams are a part of the interviews is unknown.
2. Dorsey recommends his choices, I'm assuming in some type of rank, accompanied by some type of list of pros and cons.
3. Haslam makes final choice.

You're talking common sense. Just stop it!

It was a serious question. I've seen all kinds of links floating in this thread that I admittedly have not taken the time to read. Have they said something different than that?

Btw, I don't like it. Haslam should stay the hell out of all of it and let Dorsey do his thing.

The owner ALWAYS has the final say. He signs the checks, approves the salary and who gets signed and who doesn't. I would hope that whoever Dorsey picks is approved and agreed with by Haslam. I'm pretty sure most everyone would agree with that.

But anyone claiming they know Haslam will rubber stamp Dorsey's decision is basing that on some third party's opinion and nothing Haslam has actually said.

What do u care ..... u all ready know who its gonna be .... *L* ....

Actually rish ... thats people taking SEPERATE statements from multiple sources at different times and connecting the dots the WAY THEY WANT THEM CONNECTED and running with it ...

NO ... we have not been told that ... BY ANYONE ....

its no more than PIECED TOGETHER SPECULATION at this point ...

This has been Arian's dream job all his career. He wanted this job before they hired Chud. I doubt it's about the paycheck for him. Besides, he's working for CBS, and while he's not making $5 million per ..... he's still probably pulling down serious coin.

If I may take a shot at answering with my observations and opinions;

When Jimmy first bought the team, he took a hands on approach, as his business experience had taught him. As I recall, the league paired him up with Banner to help guide him. The first HC search was botched badly. I think Jimmy thought he could WOW Chip Kelly, and that was his plan. When Chip went to Philly, plan B was done on the fly. It was a bad look, and the good candidates stayed away in droves. They hired Chudzinski almost out of desperation. The following year they wanted a do-over and poor Chud was never given a real chance, the baby thrown out with the bathwater. Then came the clash of egos between Banner and Lombardi where Jimmy ended up firing them both and hiring Pettine and Farmer on his own. He followed that up with forcing the Manziel pick.

By this time, he had the reputation of 'meddling owner'. Since then he has tried to work his way back from that, but the die is already cast, so any decision he makes is pointed to as proof that he is meddling.

My opinion is that the Sashi plan was all Sashi, that he sold it to Jimmy as his best bet for rebuilding the franchise from the ground up. But of course, it was viewed by many (most?) as just Haslam the meddling owner trying to reinvent the wheel. The latest big event, the firing of Hue and Haley has been pinned on him too, although that feels like mostly Dorsey to me.

Now there is the new HC search, and of course the haters and nay sayers are claiming Haslam will meddle again and blow this opportunity too. My sense of the situation is that Haslam has learned his lesson, and is letting the GM be the GM, that he has faith in Dorsey. Of course, that is only my opinion.

I have always like Arians and I think since he would keep Kitchens and Williams, that would be great. If Arians decides after 3 or 4 years he is done with coaching Kitchens could take over.
I am also very impressed with the job Williams has done so far. He has shown to be a leader of men with the ability to be firm and motivate his players. Williams and Kitchen are a pretty impressive combination.

People made fun of me for saying I could see us winning the last 5 of 6 games.

I think we will retain William's and Freddie if we will. One of the last two games. I think we will hire a read defensive coordinator. 8-7-1 is Realistic.7-8-1 7-8-1 is also huge progress. Our team is finally playing with confidence and it shows.

GC.

It's time to set things straight. The Sad bad news about Gregg Williams and success in the interim role is,

it's the model, look at the Bengals in 1998 or 99, they had some nobody as head coach, and they fired them

and they brought in Bruce Coslett, or maybe it was somebody else

It doesn't matter who! It doesn't matter, what matters is it's another example of the model.

They take over and win a bunch, they won a bunch they won like 5 of 6 in December they even had a 40 year old Boomer Esiason as their Qb and good feelings going in to the offseason

the problem is the next year, they took the gas pipe in a big way like they always do, but

The point is, is when having around there that time, the locals spelled it out clearly

In the NFL, to that point, when a HC was replaced mid season, there was time and again where it went well for the 2nd half of the first season, and the next season they went near winless again and fired that next head coach to look for another one.

So the Sad bad news is, As much as I love Gregg Williams as a HC,

There is a real opportunity that they'll return to non competitive next season, (it's a model)

in my opinion, especially if they cut a bunch of veterans again.

I would be happy keeping our current coaching staff.

They have done a hell of a job getting on a winning path.

That said, I trust (and know) Dorsey will make the right decision.

I won't complain either way.

If it ain't broke.....

I remember when Modell fired Sam Rutigliano. The interim coach was some guy named Marty Schottenheimer.

Sam went 1-7. Marty went 4-4.

The biggest difference is that the Browns then drafted a guy named Bernie to be their franchise guy. However, they really didn't develop him. Lindy Infante was brought in the following year as OC, and He really ignited Bernie's career.

We have an OC (and HC)who has already ignited Mayfield's career. Bernie had 18 TD and 11 INT in that season under Infante. Mayfield now has 21 TD and 11 INT ..... and in 6 games under Williams and Kitchens, it's 13 TD and 5 INT. It's a different era ..... but Mayfield looks ready right now to be a real star, and Kitchens appears ready to guide this offense.

If I am running this team, I find a way to keep Kitchens. I do like the accountability and discipline that Williams has brought to this team, but his defense does make me nervous.

Here are some successful ones

Jason Garrett
Marty Schottenheimer
Jerry Glanville
Jeff Fischer
Don Coryll
Marv Levy
Wyand Fontes
Mike Tice
Wade Phillips

Coaches success rate in the NFL is atrocious. 20% (102) of all NFL coaches ever made it to 50 wins since the merger

Also..

Since the 2005 offseason, there have been 75 new coaches hired in the NFL. Of those, 49 (65 percent) already have been fired. Of course, 10 seasons is a lot to expect from any new coaching hire, but the majority of coaches hired every season from 2005–12 have since been canned. The 49 that were fired lasted fewer than three years on average, and 30 of them never even made the playoffs before being canned.

Interim coaches have had a pretty decent shot at getting the full-time job. Out of 24 interim coaches, five were hired for the full-time gig. Given the amount of coaches teams typically interview, those odds aren’t bad, since teams will survey the whole league (and the college ranks), then bring in multiple candidates.

Reaching the playoffs gives you almost an extra two-and-a-half seasons of leeway, on average. Coaches that didn’t reach the playoffs during their tenure lasted for 2.1 seasons. Coaches that reached the playoffs during their tenure lasted about 4.4 seasons.

GW. We need to lock him in. This team has grown tremendously since we booted Hue and Haley. I wanted to give Hue a chance this year but it turns out, that was stupid.